From nobody Sun Mar 7 15:44:18 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4383A1F0D for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 15:44:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=csperkins.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UxUC4aVpcoRa for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 15:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from balrog.mythic-beasts.com (balrog.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:82:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CE113A1F0E for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 15:44:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=csperkins.org; s=mythic-beasts-k1; h=Date:To:Subject:From; bh=49QrAByKED/0Uw+0Q6Fq1F1nemqV8LCVS8dELtK1nhI=; b=kQPsBKNEOmVSwyK/uWDy4/aT1f 36bl2JC14Np6sn8dS7PZ5R5ViP8SPgYRwcw7bFXlYPa/h+4XJ+AdCGupW1+f6ALuJQtIbU6uPQZa3 xgD/egzG0upaX+VfynLyLWndT2Zn00RkGAuX8w51JuVJ+BvCmqVBZFtw5BmVTnmJtO2i9UMon1CqH 3LUkwtz/YtMJ2LKB0zBDkmrbg1nk4Hfl35OFV4Bqr+geS1FaDsG8eHwcsKkARXn2SZ+CqqcjsO1gd t+/Rc/f9Lz7GQqi6OIvwRAaNR5cv7uI9KXXrFqXgyUQR9NhJ19QIlWAVu45uRNez4wSuCaeJBYPbG Pf6660aA==; Received: from [81.187.2.149] (port=35394 helo=[192.168.0.69]) by balrog.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1lJ34A-00046o-Qa for mops@ietf.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2021 23:44:11 +0000 From: Colin Perkins Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7D0479BE-38A1-43BE-BF61-7ED74440E4D2" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Message-Id: <0C56552F-8FD5-4153-B475-D3A7A3E31D6D@csperkins.org> References: To: MOPS Working Group Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 23:44:00 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 4 Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] Fwd: [110attendees] Applied Networking Research Prize talks at IETF 110 X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 23:44:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7D0479BE-38A1-43BE-BF61-7ED74440E4D2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi MOPS WG, The talk by Francis Yan, in the IRTF Open Meeting on Monday at IETF 110, = might be of interest =E2=80=93 details below. The recording of the talk is also at https://irtf.org/anrp/ = if you can=E2=80=99t make the session.=20 Colin > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Colin Perkins > Subject: [110attendees] Applied Networking Research Prize talks at = IETF 110 > Date: 5 March 2021 at 19:19:45 GMT > To: irtf-announce@irtf.org > Cc: 110attendees@ietf.org >=20 > The Applied Networking Research Prize award talks for IETF 110 will be = given by Audrey Randall = ("Trufflehunter: Cache Snooping Rare Domains at Large Public DNS = Resolvers ") and Francis Y. Yan = ("Learning in situ: a randomized experiment = in video streaming = =E2=80=9D). >=20 > Francis will talk about his work to apply machine learning to video = bitrate adaptation. In streaming nearly four decades worth of video to = more than 60,000 users across the global Internet, researchers found the = statistical margins of error in quantifying streaming performance are = considerable. These uncertainties affect the design space of = machine-learning approaches that can practically be deployed. The team = then developed an adaptive bitrate (ABR) algorithm that robustly = outperformed other schemes by reinforcement learning in situ. To support = further investigation, they are publishing data and results on the = Puffer website and inviting the research community to train and test new = streaming algorithms. >=20 > Audrey will discuss work on Trufflehunter, a DNS cache snooping tool = for estimating the prevalence of rare and sensitive Internet = applications. Unlike previous efforts that have focused on small, = misconfigured open DNS resolvers, Trufflehunter models the complex = behavior of large multi-layer distributed caching infrastructures. The = large footprint of such resolvers presents an opportunity to observe = rare domain usage, while preserving the privacy of the users accessing = them. A controlled testbed allowed evaluation of how accurately = Trufflehunter can estimate domain name usage across the U.S., providing = a way to make a lower-bound estimate about the popularity of several = rare and sensitive applications (most notably smartphone stalkerware) = which are otherwise challenging to survey. >=20 > Look out for these talks in the IRTF Open Meeting on Monday =E2=80=93 = and find more information about the Applied Networking Research Prize at = https://irtf.org/anrp/ >=20 > Colin Perkins > IRTF Chair >=20 > --=20 > 110attendees mailing list > 110attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/110attendees --Apple-Mail=_7D0479BE-38A1-43BE-BF61-7ED74440E4D2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = MOPS WG,

The talk by = Francis Yan, in the IRTF Open Meeting on Monday at IETF 110, might be of = interest =E2=80=93 details below.

The recording of the talk is also = at https://irtf.org/anrp/ if you can=E2=80=99t make the = session. 

Colin



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From: = Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org>
Subject: = [110attendees] = Applied Networking Research Prize talks at IETF 110
Date: = 5 March 2021 at 19:19:45 GMT

The Applied Networking Research Prize award talks for IETF = 110 will be given by Audrey Randall ("Trufflehunter:= Cache Snooping Rare Domains at Large Public DNS Resolvers") = and Francis Y. = Yan ("Learning in situ: a randomized experiment in video = streaming=E2=80=9D).
Francis will talk about = his work to apply machine learning to video bitrate = adaptation. In streaming nearly four decades worth of video to more = than 60,000 users across the global Internet, researchers found the = statistical margins of error in quantifying streaming performance = are considerable. These uncertainties affect the design space = of machine-learning approaches that can practically = be deployed. The team then developed an adaptive bitrate (ABR) = algorithm that robustly outperformed other schemes by reinforcement = learning in situ. To support further investigation, they are = publishing data and results on the Puffer website and inviting = the research community to train and test new streaming = algorithms.

Audrey will discuss work = on Trufflehunter, a DNS cache snooping tool for estimating the = prevalence of rare and sensitive Internet applications. Unlike = previous efforts that have focused on small, misconfigured open = DNS resolvers, Trufflehunter models the complex behavior = of large multi-layer distributed caching infrastructures. The = large footprint of such resolvers presents an opportunity = to observe rare domain usage, while preserving the privacy = of the users accessing them. A controlled testbed = allowed evaluation of how accurately Trufflehunter can = estimate domain name usage across the U.S., providing a way = to make a lower-bound estimate about the popularity of = several rare and sensitive applications (most notably = smartphone stalkerware) which are otherwise challenging to = survey.

Look out for = these talks in the IRTF Open Meeting on Monday =E2=80=93 and find more = information about the Applied Networking Research Prize at https://irtf.org/anrp/

Colin Perkins
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As we only have 10min, we=E2=80=99ll not= be=20 re-playing the video during our session, but Francis will be available=20 for discussion. Bring your questions! - Discussion -- Learning in situ: a randomized experiment in video=20 streaming (Francis Yan) [10min] PREWATCH: https://irtf.org/anrp/IETF110-ANRP-Yan.m4v PAPER PRESENTATION: =20 https://www.usenix.org/conference/nsdi20/presentation/yan Thanks, Leslie. On 24 Feb 2021, at 11:09, Leslie Daigle wrote: > Hi, > > I have uploaded a draft agenda to the meeting materials page for MOPS: > > # MOPS IETF 110 Virtual Agenda > March 12, 2020. > > > ## Admin [5 min] > - Note well > - Agenda bash > - Jabber scribe > - Minutes taker (https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-110-mops#) > > ## Industry News/Experiences [50min] > - SVA updates (Glenn Deen/Sanjay Mishra) [20min] > - Low Latency Streaming (Will Law) [30min] > > ## WG Docs [20 min] > - Ops Cons (Jake Holland) > > ## Related IETF work [20 min] > - Media Operations Use Case for an Augmented Reality Application on=20 > Edge Computing Infrastructure > - Renan Krishna draft-krishna-mops-ar-use-case-02. (Renan Krishna) > > > ## MOPS onwards [15min] > - Milestones =E2=80=94 revisit and review (see mailing list) > > ## AoB [5min] > > --=20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --=20 > Mops mailing list > Mops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mops --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_D51E91EA-B0E5-46A3-9092-E00775FC14BA_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I=E2=80=99ve updated the agenda to include some time to t= alk with Francis Yan, who was the ANRP winner who did the presentation Co= lin Perkins pointed us to in the IRTF Open session. As we only have 10mi= n, we=E2=80=99ll not be re-playing the video during our session, but Fran= cis will be available for discussion. Bring your questions!

Thanks,
Leslie.

On 24 Feb 2021, at 11:09, Leslie Daigle wrote:

Hi,

I have uploaded a draft agenda to the meeting materials p= age for MOPS:

MOPS IETF 110 Virtual Agenda

March 12, 2020.

Admin [5 min]

Industry News/Experiences [50min]

  • SVA updates (Glenn Deen/Sanjay Mishra) [20min]
  • Low Latency Streaming (Will Law) [30min]

WG Docs [20 min]

  • Ops Cons (Jake Holland)

Related IETF work [20 min]

  • Media Operations Use Case for an Augmented Reality Application on Edg= e Computing Infrastructure
  • Renan Krishna draft-krishna-mops-ar-use-case-02. (Renan Krishna)
  • =

MOPS onwards [15min]

  • Milestones =E2=80=94 revisit and review (see mailing list)

AoB [5min]

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--=_MailMate_D51E91EA-B0E5-46A3-9092-E00775FC14BA_=-- From nobody Tue Mar 9 18:00:18 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E303A1669; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 18:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NiGqsVsfMaEG; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 18:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C86533A1645; Tue, 9 Mar 2021 18:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from fraeml735-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.201]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4DwFXM0JC1z67x0g; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 09:55:31 +0800 (CST) Received: from fraeml735-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.216) by fraeml735-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.216) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2106.2; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:59:54 +0100 Received: from DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.33) by fraeml735-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.216) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.2106.2 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:59:53 +0100 Received: from DGGEML511-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.181]) by DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com ([fe80::74d9:c659:fbec:21fa%31]) with mapi id 14.03.0513.000; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 09:59:50 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "cdni@ietf.org" , "mops@ietf.org" , "panrg@irtf.org" , "nmrg@irtf.org" , "coin@irtf.org" , "dyncast@ietf.org" CC: IETF ALTO , "alto-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: ALTO Recharter discussion on Friday 12th of March 2nd Session Thread-Index: AdcVUO39RmdVODU+SYSRT5Wy8rAyPg== Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:59:49 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.123.117] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAADE4EDC1dggeml511mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] ALTO Recharter discussion on Friday 12th of March 2nd Session X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:00:07 -0000 --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAADE4EDC1dggeml511mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, We request one hour session in upcoming IETF 110 to discuss ALTO Recharter = proposal. The goal is to focus on network aware application, explore ALTO as component for cloud-based interactive applications, large-scale dat= a analytics, multi-cloud SD-WAN deployment, and distributed computing application. The ALTO session is scheduled on Friday, 12th of March, 2nd session (15:30-= 16:30 UTC, 10:30~11:30 Beijing Time,10:30-11:30 EST). The meeting agenda is available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-110-alto/ The charter proposal is available at: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/alto/FxRoRoesddhOhgkYhzQOyHjghPc/ I would like to invite you to join this meeting and hear your feedback and = input to ALTO recharter proposal. Thanks in advance. -Qin (on behalf of chairs) --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAADE4EDC1dggeml511mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

We request one hour session in = upcoming IETF 110 to discuss ALTO Recharter proposal. The goal is to focus = on network aware application, explore

ALTO as component for cloud-bas= ed interactive applications, large-scale data analytics, multi-cloud SD-WAN= deployment, and

distributed computing applicati= on.

 

The ALTO session is scheduled o= n Friday, 12th of March, 2nd session (15:30-16:30 UTC, 10:30~11:30 Beijing = Time,10:30-11:30 EST).

The meeting agenda is available= at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/agenda-110-alto/

 

The charter proposal is availab= le at:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ar= ch/msg/alto/FxRoRoesddhOhgkYhzQOyHjghPc/

 

I would like to invite you to j= oin this meeting and hear your feedback and input to ALTO recharter proposa= l. Thanks in advance.

 

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I=E2=80=99ve copied the curre= nt=20 text below. I=E2=80=99ll leave the codimd page up until the end of this=20 Friday (March 19) for any clarifications or updates participants feel=20 are important for clarity. And then we=E2=80=99ll publish them as the=20 official minutes of the meeting. =20 https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-110-mops# Leslie. MOPS IETF 110 Virtual Agenda March 12, 2020. Admin [5 min] Note well Agenda bash Jabber scribe Minutes taker (https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-110-mops#) Jake Holland volunteered Industry News/Experiences [60min] Discussion =E2=80=93 Learning in situ: a randomized experiment in vi= deo=20 streaming (Francis Yan) [10min] PREWATCH: https://irtf.org/anrp/IETF110-ANRP-Yan.m4v PAPER PRESENTATION:=20 https://www.usenix.org/conference/nsdi20/presentation/yan Spencer: it takes 2 years of data to measure 20% difference in=20 performance between ABRs, is that right? (Yan: yes). OK, given that can=20 more constrained paths be more useful, so there=E2=80=99s congestion? (Spencer) And is Puffer just bound by content restriction? Yan:=20 yes, Fugu can work on any video providers, it would be nice to extend=20 this internationally with more than 1 server, as this would give us more=20 scope. However, the conclusion of noisy data we believe still=20 generalizes. The rebuffering events are so rare that it needs to be=20 measured on tail users. Confirmed in principle by discussion with=20 youtube and netflix. (Spencer): and this platform is open to other researchers,=20 right? Yan: yes Renan Krishna: In figure 6 what=E2=80=99s the information includ= ed in=20 the state update? Yan: in this figure the MPC controller is responsible=20 for calling the predictor for the time of the next proposed chunk. Based=20 on this the player can plan ahead. This diagram represents all the=20 information needed by both components to work. Renan: so MPC is outputting a probability distribution? Yan:=20 essentially, yes. There=E2=80=99s simpler ways to look at it too, but yes= .=20 There=E2=80=99s some scaling considerations too, so the signaling Will Law: What=E2=80=99s the bias in the test data? Is it coming= =20 mostly from the people watching this selectively have better internet=20 connectivity? Based on other providers we usually see as much as 1% of=20 sessions impacted by buffering, so that=E2=80=99s at odds with 2 years of= data=20 to see differences Yan: Yes, I think this is consitent. We see something like 0.1%=20 buffering on a per-request basis so it seems roughly in line. To=20 clarify: The training takes only 2 weeks, there is enough information=20 there to be relevant, but getting the confidence intervals low enough to=20 be sure of relative ABR algorithm performance takes more like 2 years of=20 data. SVA updates (Glenn Deen/Sanjay Mishra) [20min] Low Latency Streaming (Will Law) [30min] Jake: best practices?: Will: dash industry forums, (tbd: come=20 back and summarize from video, note-taker briefly lost connectivity) WG Docs [20 min] Ops Cons (Spencer Dawkins) Spencer RE Issue 31: Matt Stock question RE: suggestion about=20 incorporating ads? Mike English: Yes, spoke to him, he=E2=80=99s fine wit= h=20 doing what you think is best with his prior contribution. Glen RE Issue 24: how does this interact with the insights=20 about streaming? Spencer: big impact was a lot more off-peak traffic,=20 more videoconferencing traffic during the day from home. Good workshop=20 report, trying to minimize information here since workshop report is now=20 a good reference. Glen: interesting insights on non-videoconferencing traffic in=20 the same time space, (e.g. netflix/games). Spencer: yes, there were=20 interesting points about this in the IAB report. Jake RE volunteer request slide 6: Self-assignd a couple of=20 issues since your slides, that=E2=80=99s on github now. Mike English to submit a PR for ads Some further details of issue assignment captured in github. Related IETF work [20 min] Media Operations Use Case for an Augmented Reality Application on=20 Edge Computing Infrastructure Renan Krishna draft-krishna-mops-ar-use-case-02. (Renan Krishna) Cullen: Latency budget is important to mention here. Renan:=20 Sure, makes sense. Leslie: what do we think of adoption? Spencer: this looks to be in fine shape for the wg to work=20 on Jake in chat: +1 Poll result 10-0 for adoption, of 28 participants. Chairs=20 will take it to list for confirmation. Poll =E2=80=9Cwilling to review and contribute text?=E2=80=9D= : 9-1=20 (Eric: reason for not=3D=3Dno time/no expertise) MOPS onwards [15min] Milestones =E2=80=94 revisit and review (see mailing list) Pushing SVA draft milestone to July, pushing SMPTE draft to=20 November. Eric: don=E2=80=99t worry too much about the November deadline, = this=20 looks like tentative successful working group Warren: +1, this working group is looking successful. Most=20 likely we are OK with milestones later than our current committed=20 charter. Leslie: Milestone updates will be sent to list. Will aim to=20 keep opscon at July target even if we don=E2=80=99t progress as much. Spencer: will organize an interim to target last call in July. AoB [5min] --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_8E19BE20-7E5C-48BB-99B5-E9EAF48062A3_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

Thanks, again, to Jake Holland for taking notes for last = week=E2=80=99s MOPS meeting at the IETF 110 virtual meeting. I=E2=80=99= ve copied the current text below. I=E2=80=99ll leave the codimd page up = until the end of this Friday (March 19) for any clarifications or updates= participants feel are important for clarity. And then we=E2=80=99ll pub= lish them as the official minutes of the meeting. https://codi= md.ietf.org/notes-ietf-110-mops#

Leslie.

MOPS IETF 110 Virtual Agenda

March 12, 2020.
Admin [5 min]

Note well
Agenda bash
Jabber scribe
Minutes taker (https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-110-mops#)
    Jake Holland volunteered

Industry News/Experiences [60min]

Discussion =E2=80=
=93 Learning in situ: a randomized experiment in video streaming (Francis=
 Yan) [10min]
PREWATCH: https://irtf.org/anrp/IETF110-ANRP-Yan.m4v
PAPER PRESENTATION: https://www.usenix.org/conference/nsdi20/presentation=
/yan
    Spencer: it takes 2 years of data to measure 20% difference in perfor=
mance between ABRs, is that right? (Yan: yes). OK, given that can more co=
nstrained paths be more useful, so there=E2=80=99s congestion?
    (Spencer) And is Puffer just bound by content restriction? Yan: yes, =
Fugu can work on any video providers, it would be nice to extend this int=
ernationally with more than 1 server, as this would give us more scope. H=
owever, the conclusion of noisy data we believe still generalizes. The re=
buffering events are so rare that it needs to be measured on tail users. =
Confirmed in principle by discussion with youtube and netflix.
    (Spencer): and this platform is open to other researchers, right? Yan=
: yes
    Renan Krishna: In figure 6 what=E2=80=99s the information included in=
 the state update? Yan: in this figure the MPC controller is responsible =
for calling the predictor for the time of the next proposed chunk. Based =
on this the player can plan ahead. This diagram represents all the inform=
ation needed by both components to work.
    Renan: so MPC is outputting a probability distribution? Yan: essentia=
lly, yes. There=E2=80=99s simpler ways to look at it too, but yes. There=E2=
=80=99s some scaling considerations too, so the signaling
    Will Law: What=E2=80=99s the bias in the test data? Is it coming most=
ly from the people watching this selectively have better internet connect=
ivity? Based on other providers we usually see as much as 1% of sessions =
impacted by buffering, so that=E2=80=99s at odds with 2 years of data to =
see differences
    Yan: Yes, I think this is consitent. We see something like 0.1% buffe=
ring on a per-request basis so it seems roughly in line. To clarify: The =
training takes only 2 weeks, there is enough information there to be rele=
vant, but getting the confidence intervals low enough to be sure of relat=
ive ABR algorithm performance takes more like 2 years of data.
SVA updates (Glenn Deen/Sanjay Mishra) [20min]
Low Latency Streaming (Will Law) [30min]
    Jake: best practices?: Will: dash industry forums, (tbd: come back an=
d summarize from video, note-taker briefly lost connectivity)

WG Docs [20 min]

Ops Cons (Spencer=
 Dawkins)
    Spencer RE Issue 31: Matt Stock question RE: suggestion about incorpo=
rating ads? Mike English: Yes, spoke to him, he=E2=80=99s fine with doing=
 what you think is best with his prior contribution.
    Glen RE Issue 24: how does this interact with the insights about stre=
aming? Spencer: big impact was a lot more off-peak traffic, more videocon=
ferencing traffic during the day from home. Good workshop report, trying =
to minimize information here since workshop report is now a good referenc=
e.
    Glen: interesting insights on non-videoconferencing traffic in the sa=
me time space, (e.g. netflix/games). Spencer: yes, there were interesting=
 points about this in the IAB report.
    Jake RE volunteer request slide 6: Self-assignd a couple of issues si=
nce your slides, that=E2=80=99s on github now.
    Mike English to submit a PR for ads
    Some further details of issue assignment captured in github.

Related IETF work [20 min]

Media Operations =
Use Case for an Augmented Reality Application on Edge Computing Infrastru=
cture
Renan Krishna draft-krishna-mops-ar-use-case-02. (Renan Krishna)
    Cullen: Latency budget is important to mention here. Renan: Sure, mak=
es sense.
    Leslie: what do we think of adoption?
        Spencer: this looks to be in fine shape for the wg to work on
        Jake in chat: +1
        Poll result 10-0 for adoption, of 28 participants. Chairs will ta=
ke it to list for confirmation.
        Poll =E2=80=9Cwilling to review and contribute text?=E2=80=9D: 9-=
1 (Eric: reason for not=3D=3Dno time/no expertise)

MOPS onwards [15min]

Milestones =E2=80=
=94 revisit and review (see mailing list)
    Pushing SVA draft milestone to July, pushing SMPTE draft to November.=

    Eric: don=E2=80=99t worry too much about the November deadline, this =
looks like tentative successful working group
    Warren: +1, this working group is looking successful. Most likely we =
are OK with milestones later than our current committed charter.
    Leslie: Milestone updates will be sent to list. Will aim to keep opsc=
on at July target even if we don=E2=80=99t progress as much.
    Spencer: will organize an interim to target last call in July.

AoB [5min]

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

--=_MailMate_8E19BE20-7E5C-48BB-99B5-E9EAF48062A3_=-- From nobody Tue Mar 16 08:36:07 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D063A11AD for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:36:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=thinkingcat.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id grHb8_ZSy1H5 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from donkey.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (donkey.elm.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.212.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BD763A11AE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:36:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|ldaigle@thinkingcat.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1957701C60; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-27-131.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.27.131]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 995EC7029B3; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:36:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|ldaigle@thinkingcat.com Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.96.27.131 (trex/6.1.1); Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:36:01 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|ldaigle@thinkingcat.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Battle-Whispering: 6c21f6ab5fb6fbb5_1615908961294_3318351697 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1615908961293:3150777909 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1615908961293 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E067E3B8; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:36:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=thinkingcat.com; h=from:to :cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=thinkingcat.com; bh=/0K7vBZ/gX81PS ydgS1LGIarAUg=; b=pYd0DB+r4Ho6bGgDlmXgbKf/ITSlL5m1YS6z62S++Or5wQ kta4WCnJ79uhZvyuPfL8JyDzIja1fJgMRJ5srk5/bil+mFkTE6B7eUNduqid4bGd zoXc6oPx1a8Rh1JCydFkrTPaIF6w28QyNT48C+Wq5lIWS1fbnU0jsCbVDy3R0= Received: from [192.168.1.57] (vtelinet-216-66-102-83.vermontel.net [216.66.102.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ldaigle@thinkingcat.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22CC87E3B7; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a91 From: "Leslie Daigle" To: "MOPS Working Group" Cc: "Kyle Rose" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:35:45 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.2r5673) Message-ID: <9926A139-C931-4861-BE06-9FB6D259B46E@thinkingcat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_66AE45F5-A509-4FC2-B6B1-8BF829AADD73_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] Confirmation: adoption of draft-krishna-mops-ar-use-case-02 X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:36:05 -0000 --=_MailMate_66AE45F5-A509-4FC2-B6B1-8BF829AADD73_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As you=E2=80=99ll have seen during the meeting / in the draft minutes fro= m the=20 meeting, we agreed that the WG should adopt=20 draft-krishna-mops-ar-use-case-02 as a working group document, and=20 people expressed support for reviewing and commenting on the work, going=20 forward. With this message, I am hereby calling for confirmation of that=20 decision. Please raise any concerns with working group adoption before=20 end of day Tuesday, March 23, 2021 (7 days). Assuming there are no=20 unresolved concerns at that time, we=E2=80=99ll consider the document ado= pted. Thanks, Leslie. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_66AE45F5-A509-4FC2-B6B1-8BF829AADD73_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As you=E2=80=99ll have seen during the meeting / in the d= raft minutes from the meeting, we agreed that the WG should adopt draft-k= rishna-mops-ar-use-case-02 as a working group document, and people expres= sed support for reviewing and commenting on the work, going forward.

With this message, I am hereby calling for confirmation o= f that decision. Please raise any concerns with working group adoption b= efore end of day Tuesday, March 23, 2021 (7 days). Assuming there are no= unresolved concerns at that time, we=E2=80=99ll consider the document ad= opted.

Thanks,
Leslie.

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With this message, I=E2=80=99d like to= =20 confirm consensus on these milestones. Unless there are any unresolved=20 issues with them by the end of Wednesday next week (March 31), we=E2=80=99= ll=20 update the WG page and call this done. DONE: Feb 2020 Initial draft operational considerations for low latency=20 streaming video applications DONE: Jul 2020 Revised draft operational considerations for low latency=20 streaming video applications Mar 2021 Initial WG document on AR edge network operational=20 considerations for streaming media Jul 2021 Draft documenting Streaming Video Alliance (SVA) reliance on=20 IETF protocols Jul 2021 Last-call document on operational considerations for low=20 latency streaming video applications Nov 2021 Draft documenting Society of Motion Picture and Television=20 Engineers (SMPTE) protocol reliance on IETF protocols Nov 2021 IESG to decide whether continue, re-charter or close MOPS WG Nov 2022 Last-call WG document on AR edge network operational=20 considerations for streaming media Jul 2022 Last-call document on Streaming Video Alliance (SVA) reliance=20 on IETF protocols (including explicit outreach to SVA) Jul 2022 Last-call document on Society of Motion Picture and Television=20 Engineers (SMPTE) protocol reliance on IETF protocols (including=20 explicit outreach to SMPTE) Thanks, Leslie. --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Leslie Daigle Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises ldaigle@thinkingcat.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_MailMate_C0446E85-1CA4-4825-97A7-820229881E01_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

The milestones below are (I believe) what we agreed as ed= its from the IETF 110 MOPS WG meeting session. With this message, I=E2=80= =99d like to confirm consensus on these milestones. Unless there are any= unresolved issues with them by the end of Wednesday next week (March 31)= , we=E2=80=99ll update the WG page and call this done.

DONE: Feb 2020 Initial draft operational considerations f= or low latency streaming video applications
DONE: Jul 2020 Revised draft operational considerations for low latency s= treaming video applications
Mar 2021 Initial WG document on AR edge network operational consideration= s for streaming media
Jul 2021 Draft documenting Streaming Video Alliance (SVA) reliance on IET= F protocols
Jul 2021 Last-call document on operational considerations for low latency= streaming video applications
Nov 2021 Draft documenting Society of Motion Picture and Television Engin= eers (SMPTE) protocol reliance on IETF protocols
Nov 2021 IESG to decide whether continue, re-charter or close MOPS WG
= Nov 2022 Last-call WG document on AR edge network operational considerati= ons for streaming media
Jul 2022 Last-call document on Streaming Video Alliance (SVA) reliance on= IETF protocols (including explicit outreach to SVA)
Jul 2022 Last-call document on Society of Motion Picture and Television E= ngineers (SMPTE) protocol reliance on IETF protocols (including explicit = outreach to SMPTE)

Thanks,
Leslie.

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Leslie Daigle
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises

ldaigle@thinkingcat.com

--=_MailMate_C0446E85-1CA4-4825-97A7-820229881E01_=-- From nobody Thu Mar 25 08:54:31 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietf.org Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DDC3A260E; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:54:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: mops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.27.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mops@ietf.org Message-ID: <161668766911.10031.7191064774716778519@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:54:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mops-ar-use-case-00.txt X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:54:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Media OPerationS WG of the IETF. Title : Media Operations Use Case for an Augmented Reality Application on Edge Computing Infrastructure Authors : Renan Krishna Akbar Rahman Filename : draft-ietf-mops-ar-use-case-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2021-03-25 Abstract: A use case describing transmission of an application on the Internet that has several unique characteristics of Augmented Reality (AR) applications is presented for the consideration of the Media Operations (MOPS) Working Group. One key requirement identified is that the Adaptive-Bit-Rate (ABR) algorithms' current usage of policies based on heuristics and models is inadequate for AR applications running on the Edge Computing infrastructure. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mops-ar-use-case/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mops-ar-use-case-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mops-ar-use-case-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 29 19:20:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: mops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506BB3A29DB; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3VlX7-neZUoI; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com (mail-yb1-xb33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2DFB3A29DA; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id j2so15786634ybj.8; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:20:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UVBu/CMm5ehhI8l7wEKYxUPn+IEFDfFNN1jlMDER3aw=; b=S+6/5cwk7xdTyyp4IcCQ0axUozi8PVQ52MLFL6wmtZOncrw713HMk4bS4dL3C9i7Ji U5RobPo0kC03STaLZOmnmiR5iFSxQ9Rf1YPZHJaCsYjZ49EpZbAhMNPeGKEAW4Gm+7ej xGFJnSfpZ0oeBBdWqfzzIt55E7G1SJH5PxyILcKbDk1SBJF0km/+gUopgl1dZcTc1Ea2 JbIaGiz89osznwId+ZtOV+XpQeyks8Aeg3IFv/aA5FBectl9Es6Ns6fVv8v+VvdQnT5B DFebgjq3ypGImqwfViJChnf0rJ7i27UO6cyFb81zqRi/rdtPvRMghc78TJNlyHbHRGiz mqXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UVBu/CMm5ehhI8l7wEKYxUPn+IEFDfFNN1jlMDER3aw=; b=lGZh5adTmEHFB1tvxhGN1ohWIovvi99FsAliroICWUzSdHqJHjWz9A5JbLMSVIAINJ mA6U81PA+2gYe0Tz/p/kGG+UI8fX2x0+xh+BsxOG/vhjU44w+zEQxZZIsKgtHwcEQO6f igldiIeuBAByd6+aP9lEWW4blaDPMqOdgS/M67ODnbfYnHUZ1R1Pj2LBfBZEWS/8WRQE W9lyFH7Df7nuDDUKX58sDkesPiIfSJCv6e0lIN4l3ZJuATDnHYac3757H6HdDBYtsHAC uiuGT9c4Ef/76IGX6wzKVIDwt+f1OYWpePmn89Au6LE7TxwbMYSkpiH2vqx+SXM6O7sr Wpow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532V10hhjMbA3820nb415tGIntZS/YDYhN4mv6l3WSsksMVwZ+qR QkbV6d1NorlNSngZUBZ4fp+NOks4mpsEL2yWaI6WsesJNdo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzcc5anbUQrtvezCTKLAkwabP4iIX8OWrGiezJUUK8Y6V73tVHdhGEaCBSvwUYIsndU3hR3wSYG4EWNjhci5XY= X-Received: by 2002:a25:1883:: with SMTP id 125mr40438773yby.465.1617070837845; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:20:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: mops@ietf.org Cc: mops-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ddd15105beb7a4f5" Archived-At: Subject: [Mops] Virtual interim meeting for editing session on MOPS OPCONS draft X-BeenThere: mops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Media OPerationS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 02:20:44 -0000 --000000000000ddd15105beb7a4f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear MOPS. We circled a couple of times during the MOPS session at IETF 110 about how to achieve our agreed milestone date for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons/, which is still sometime this summer (before IETF 111). This ended up in the minutes as "*Spencer: will organize an interim to target last call in July*". I think my first question is whether people want to participate in an editing session (so, I need to Doodle for times and make sure I have access to enough space on a videoconferencing bridge), or whether I should be planning for an editing session between the editors (Jake, Ali, and Spencer). If you'd also like to participate, please let us know in this thread, by April 9, and we'll Do The Right Thing. Best, Spencer --000000000000ddd15105beb7a4f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MOPS.

We circled a couple of times= during the MOPS session at IETF 110 about how to achieve our agreed milest= one date for=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mops-stre= aming-opcons/, which is still sometime=C2=A0this summer (before=C2=A0IE= TF 111).=C2=A0

This ended up in the minutes as &qu= ot;Spencer: will organize an interim to target last call in July&quo= t;.

I think my first question is whether people wa= nt to participate in an editing session (so, I need to Doodle for times and= make sure I have access to enough space on a videoconferencing bridge), or= whether I should be planning for an editing session between the editors (J= ake, Ali, and Spencer).

If you'd also like to = participate, please let us know in this thread, by April 9, and we'll D= o The Right Thing.=C2=A0

Best,

Spencer
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