From nobody Mon Dec 4 11:39:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: privsec-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: privsec-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4E51200F3 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QwpMUGJzrdRv for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from atl4mhob17.registeredsite.com (atl4mhob17.registeredsite.com [209.17.115.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBF24126C22 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com ([10.30.71.209]) by atl4mhob17.registeredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id vB4Jcs8M029892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:38:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 6986 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2017 19:38:54 -0000 X-TCPREMOTEIP: 184.185.35.18 X-Authenticated-UID: lee@asgard.org Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.160?) (lee@asgard.org@184.185.35.18) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Dec 2017 19:38:54 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.2.170228 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:38:51 -0500 From: Lee Howard To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Thoughts on future Tech Plenaries Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3595243134_11410367" Archived-At: Subject: [Privsec-discuss] Thoughts on future Tech Plenaries X-BeenThere: privsec-discuss@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Privacy and Security Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 19:39:01 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3595243134_11410367 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The Technical Plenary Planning Program sends greetings to the Privacy and Security Program! (okay, too formal) We=E2=80=99ve been talking about future Technical Plenaries in the security and privacy space.=20 Some of the thoughts have been triggered from noticing it=E2=80=99s been five yea= rs since the plenary that led to RFC7258 =E2=80=9CPervasive Monitoring is an Attack=E2= =80=9D and work on pervasive encryption and so much related work. So, while acknowledging how far we=E2=80=99ve come, let=E2=80=99s not stop here. Are there architectural issues we can consider? What is the future of threat? Machine Learning? Ad networks? Corporate surveillance? Consolidation? The James Bridle article "Something is wrong on the internet=E2=80=9D? Social platforms=E2=80=99 erosion of privacy? We're trying to coalesces these thoughts and questions into one or several tech plenaries, with appropriately scoped topics and speakers, and would like help from the PrivSec program in that coalescence. Can you help? Lee PS: Some excerpts of notes below. From: Tech-plenary on behalf of Lee Howard Date: Monday, November 20, 2017 at 10:04 PM To: Subject: Re: [Tech-plenary] tech plenary call tomorrow =E2=80=A6 >=20 >>>=20 >>> IETF102 Montreal. The Future of Threat? Machine Learning, Advertisemen= t. >>> Greg pointed out this article, does it fit? >>> https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c= 47127 >>> 1d2 >>>=20 > Gabriel: This is a dark series. Can we have an optimistic one in the midd= le? > Brian: Start with 10-12 minutes on our response to pervasive surveillance= , > mostly a success story. > =E2=80=A6 > Lee to invite LinkedIn privacy person to inform IAB about what they need = to > know about privacy in social. > Brian to try again to invite Zeynep. > Suzanne: Joe Hall, CDT. > Lee: What=E2=80=99s the question? > Gabriel: Article is interesting, but not actionable. Taming openness. > Suz: It=E2=80=99s hard to ask questions about the architecture if we=E2=80=99re not s= ure we=E2=80=99re > doing the architecture anymore. =E2=80=9CWe=E2=80=9D meaning humans. > Lee: So we need to invite a Machine Learning algorithm to do the tech cha= t. >=20 > =E2=80=A6 > Suzanne to invite Joe Hall to consider the questions raised by the Jame B= ridle > article for a Tech Chat in January, to help us frame it into possible act= ions > we can consider/discuss in the IAB or Tech Plenary. >=20 >=20 >>>=20 >>> IETFXXX >>> Something about ad networks, maybe corporate surveillance? >>> Mark: Just because some people do stupid things doesn't mean we're goin= g to >>> bomb the planet. Having some cross-pollination, but also to see how the= y go >>> about standardization. I think we can get someone from PC39, W3C, maybe= a >>> browser-y person. >>>=20 >>> IETFYYY >>> Consolidation and Fate Sharing: DNS providers, submarine cable, transit >>> providers, wireless, CDN. Who? >>> Geoff Huston and the Death of Transit >>>=20 >>> Lee >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tech-plenary mailing list >>> Tech-plenary@iab.org >>> https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/tech-plenary >>>=20 >>=20 > _______________________________________________ Tech-plenary mailing list > Tech-plenary@iab.org https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/tech-plenary --B_3595243134_11410367 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
The Technical Plenary Planning= Program sends greetings to the Privacy and Security Program!
= (okay, too formal)

We’ve been talking= about future Technical Plenaries in the security and privacy space. 

Some of the thoughts have been triggered fro= m noticing it’s been five years since the plenary that led to RFC7258 = “Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack” and work on pervasive encryp= tion and so much related work. So, while acknowledging how far we’ve c= ome, let’s not stop here.
Are there architectural issues= we can consider?
What is the future of threat? Machine Learni= ng? Ad networks? Corporate surveillance? Consolidation?
The James Bridle article "Something is wrong on the&nb= sp;internet”? Social platforms’ erosion of privacy?
=

We're trying to coalesces these thoughts and que= stions into one or several tech plenaries, with appropriately scoped topics = and speakers, and would like help from the PrivSec program in that coalescen= ce. 

Can you help?

<= /div>
Lee

PS: Some excerpts of note= s below.

From: Tech-plenary <tech-plena= ry-bounces@iab.org> on behalf of Lee Howard <lee@asgard.org>
Date: Monday, November 20, 2017 at 10:04 PM
To: <tech-plenary@iab.org= >
Subject: Re: [Tech-plenar= y] tech plenary call tomorrow



IE= TF102 Montreal. The Future of Threat?  Machine Learning, Advertisement.=
Greg pointed out this arti= cle, does it fit? https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2<= /div>

Gabriel: This is a dark series. Can w= e have an optimistic one in the middle?
Brian: Start with 10-12 mi= nutes on our response to pervasive surveillance, mostly a success story.
Lee to invite LinkedIn privacy person to inform IAB= about what they need to know about privacy in social.
Brian to tr= y again to invite Zeynep.
Suzanne: Joe Hall, CDT. 
= Lee: What’s the question?
Gabriel: Article is interesting, b= ut not actionable. Taming openness. 
Suz: It’s hard to = ask questions about the architecture if we’re not sure we’re doi= ng the architecture anymore. “We” meaning humans.
Lee:= So we need to invite a Machine Learning algorithm to do the tech chat.

Suzanne to invite Joe Hall to conside= r the questions raised by the Jame Bridle article for a Tech Chat in January= , to help us frame it into possible actions we can consider/discuss in the I= AB or Tech Plenary.



IETFXX= X
Something about ad networ= ks, maybe corporate surveillance?
Mark: Just because some people do stupid things doesn't mean we'r= e going to bomb the planet. Having some cross-pollination, but also to see h= ow they go about standardization. I think we can get someone from PC39, W3C,= maybe a browser-y person.

IETFYYY
Consolidation and Fate Sharing: DN= S providers, submarine cable, transit providers, wireless, CDN. Who? 
Geoff Huston and the Death o= f Transit

Lee

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