From nobody Mon Oct 1 08:59:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAA7130E66 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eWi_jwOcY9pN for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0055.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 719D1130DFE for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay03.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCDA83777F0; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 73746F6B636F6E73406262686D61696C2E6E6C X-Spam-Summary: 2, -8, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, stokcons@bbhmail.nl, :::::::::, RULES_HIT:41:72:152:355:379:543:582:599:800:962:967:973:983:988:989:1152:1189:1208:1212:1216:1221:1260:1313:1314:1345:1359:1431:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1534:1541:1566:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1711:1714:1730:1777:1792:2068:2069:2198:2199:2525:2527:2528:2559:2564:2682:2685:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3622:3865:3867:3870:3871:3872:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4321:4362:4860:5007:6117:6261:6657:6659:6678:7875:7901:7903:8583:8603:8660:8957:9010:9025:9177:10004:10214:10400:10848:11232:11658:11914:12043:12050:12291:12379:12438:12683:12740:12895:13071:13139:13148:13230:13302:13439:13846:14096:14110:14180:14181:14721:21060:21080:21433:21451:21627:21809:30054:30060:30091, 0, RBL:216.40.42.5:@bbhmail.nl:.lbl8.mailshell.net-62.8.55.100 66.201.201.201, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:neutral, Cus X-HE-Tag: alley75_4f08df50ee621 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 3389 Received: from mail.bbhmail.nl (imap-ext [216.40.42.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@stokcons@bbhmail.nl) by omf20.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_ac566850f69bb98c263a12d24207295f" Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 17:59:02 +0200 From: Peter van der Stok To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org, Toerless Eckert , "'consultancy@vanderstok.org'" , Carsten Bormann Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <31a71f3d7d1c4b6f91f2f11daf4e5327@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <31a71f3d7d1c4b6f91f2f11daf4e5327@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Message-ID: <34d67b39cea172eaee7ef023a15f795d@bbhmail.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [90.0.220.17] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Canceled: BIER ROLL DT weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:59:08 -0000 --=_ac566850f69bb98c263a12d24207295f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Pascal, Today, I tried to join the meeting, but was informed that it was canceled. When is the next call (if any?) thanks for updating me, I probably lost some invitations, Peter Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-09-25 17:59: > This meeting was set in the wrong time zone. Did we want 3PM or 6PM CET? > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt --=_ac566850f69bb98c263a12d24207295f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Hi Pascal,

Today, I tried to join the meeting, but was informed = that it was canceled.
When is the next call (if any?)

thank= s for updating me, I probably lost some invitations,

Peter

Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-09-25 17:59:

This meeting was set in the wrong time zone. Did we = want 3PM or 6PM CET?  


= _______________________________________________
Roll-bier-dt mailing = list
Roll-= bier-dt@ietf.org
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--=_ac566850f69bb98c263a12d24207295f-- From nobody Mon Oct 1 11:44:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3F6128CF2 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 11:44:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7Cs4FMAuEqJ for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 11:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 239681252B7 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 11:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B6254812C; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 20:44:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id B790844020B; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 20:44:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 20:44:16 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Carsten Bormann , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Message-ID: <20181001184416.c2l22mqora6fh2fg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <31a71f3d7d1c4b6f91f2f11daf4e5327@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34d67b39cea172eaee7ef023a15f795d@bbhmail.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <34d67b39cea172eaee7ef023a15f795d@bbhmail.nl> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Canceled: BIER ROLL DT weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:44:25 -0000 Peter, *: Sorry for delay. I was sick last week, then my email servers went down, then i went on PTO, yada yada... *sigh* Looking at the doodle: https://doodle.com/poll/c9dqcu6u8byicvds The best time seems to be wednesday 5 PM UTC. Everyone is available except Ines, i hope this is ok. (got one chair in the meeting). Have not seen a reply from Carsten though. I guess we need to figure out if participants want this time to change an hour when DST expires, but for the time being lets assume 5 PM UTC wednesday. Peter: Can you request a webex account for ROLL via: https://www.ietf.org/chairs/webex/ I fear IETF wants the WG-chairs to take care of the webex. Should be make the first call wed next week, or do you think we can still get the webex on this week ? It its next week, i can better try to summarize our current state in a writeup. Cheers Toerless On Mon, Oct 01, 2018 at 05:59:02PM +0200, Peter van der Stok wrote: > Hi Pascal, > > Today, I tried to join the meeting, but was informed that it was > canceled. > When is the next call (if any?) > > thanks for updating me, I probably lost some invitations, > > Peter > Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-09-25 17:59: > > > This meeting was set in the wrong time zone. Did we want 3PM or 6PM CET? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Mon Oct 1 21:56:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59C912F1A5 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZMLim6nm4aN for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 939DF12872C for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:56:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w924uAMu012260; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 06:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.102] (p54A6C3C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.195.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42PRgZ40HfzDXBY; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 06:56:10 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20181001184416.c2l22mqora6fh2fg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 06:56:09 +0200 Cc: peter van der Stok , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 560148967.921342-5176bd691691555aadc0f240385aa5d7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <31a71f3d7d1c4b6f91f2f11daf4e5327@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34d67b39cea172eaee7ef023a15f795d@bbhmail.nl> <20181001184416.c2l22mqora6fh2fg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Canceled: BIER ROLL DT weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 04:56:20 -0000 1700Z..1800Z is fine for me. Can=E2=80=99t do this week though (at a = conference). Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Oct 1, 2018, at 20:44, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > The best time seems to be wednesday 5 PM UTC. Everyone is available > except Ines, i hope this is ok. (got one chair in the meeting). >=20 > Have not seen a reply from Carsten though. From nobody Mon Oct 1 22:20:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D46128A6E for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bjzErQMHKui4 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0F4612F1A5 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 22:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w925JqSN000934; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 07:19:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.102] (p54A6C3C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.195.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42PSBw1NQ4zDXBg; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 07:19:52 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 07:19:51 +0200 Cc: peter van der Stok , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 560150389.916036-35d06a5266d67ab6da4375cd98c2f748 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8681E9E6-3F99-4DAD-BC2C-66CF9BD12876@tzi.org> References: <31a71f3d7d1c4b6f91f2f11daf4e5327@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34d67b39cea172eaee7ef023a15f795d@bbhmail.nl> <20181001184416.c2l22mqora6fh2fg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Canceled: BIER ROLL DT weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:20:01 -0000 On Oct 2, 2018, at 06:56, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > 1700Z..1800Z is fine for me. Can=E2=80=99t do this week though (at a = conference). Wait a minute =E2=80=94 the doodle has 1600Z as 5 people and 1700Z as = just Toerless. (1600Z is a bit problematic for me as we have regular CoRE and CBOR = calls at 1500Z..1600Z.) 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Ether pad: = ;https://eth= erpad.tools.ietf.org/p/roll-bier

Wiki: ht= tps://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt



Set up m= eeting for time being weekly, we=A1=AFll have to check how this works throu= gh 

the DST changes US/Europe anyhow. Both Webex and Outlook should have been s= et up

with UTC, so local times will change US/EU!


[ Call is now configured so that anyone who has an account on ietf.webex.co= m can start

  the meeting. Aka: anyone who is WG chair and has requested WG chair = webex account from IETF.

  This should make it easier to start the call in case one of us is mi= ssing given how

  many in the DT are WG chairs. Alas, it does not seem to be possible = in webex to start

  call without any host.]



ROLL WG changed= the time for this Webex meeting.



ROLL BIER desig= n team weekly

Every Wednesday= , from Wednesday, October 10, 2018, to no end date

4:00 pm  |=   Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT)  |  1 hr

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Meeting passwor= d: bier


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--_000_1F435D673AAAFA4CB4263AFE703E4F2502AADFDAsjceml521mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Oct 8 08:37:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3E8130E28 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jHAnYZEAHLPV for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 08:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8681E9E6-3F99-4DAD-BC2C-66CF9BD12876@tzi.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Canceled: BIER ROLL DT weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 15:37:10 -0000 Apologies for the mistakes that sneaked yesterday into the setup of the weekly call. Hopefully fixed now so that both Webex and Outlook indicate 4 PM UTC as promised from doodle poll. Carsten: Can you pls. add your times to the doogle ? [ https://doodle.com/poll/c9dqcu6u8byicvds ] Btw: How will your weekly calls change after DST ? Are thy all UTC ? Cheers Toerless On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 07:19:51AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Oct 2, 2018, at 06:56, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > 1700Z..1800Z is fine for me. Can???t do this week though (at a conference). > > Wait a minute ??? the doodle has 1600Z as 5 people and 1700Z as just Toerless. > > (1600Z is a bit problematic for me as we have regular CoRE and CBOR calls at 1500Z..1600Z.) > > Gre, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt From nobody Mon Oct 8 09:54:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72685130EF2 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:54:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ows7YBhK2SKd for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B56AF130EE3 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 09:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w98Grrwv010403; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.114] (p54A6C3C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.195.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42TRJx0qkpzDWnB; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20181008153702.xzwklxp2d36oe55r@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:53:52 +0200 Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , peter van der Stok , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 560710430.632098-c98cf1407dbb5266090ffd2142da720a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5FED6D20-F045-45D2-98F5-B2B726E73473@tzi.org> References: <31a71f3d7d1c4b6f91f2f11daf4e5327@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34d67b39cea172eaee7ef023a15f795d@bbhmail.nl> <20181001184416.c2l22mqora6fh2fg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <8681E9E6-3F99-4DAD-BC2C-66CF9BD12876@tzi.org> <20181008153702.xzwklxp2d36oe55r@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Canceled: BIER ROLL DT weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:54:16 -0000 > Carsten: Can you pls. add your times to the doogle ? > [ https://doodle.com/poll/c9dqcu6u8byicvds ] Is that still relevant? The dates are in the past, anyway. > Btw: How will your weekly calls change after DST ? Are thy all UTC ? Painful manual rescheduling. (I look forward to the EU abolishing the DST theater so I only have to = do this twice a year and not four times.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Oct 15 06:23:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA03D130DFB for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:23:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tYiONne777cz for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0041.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3C3F130DD3 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 06:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F7A1803A546 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:22:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 73746F6B636F6E73406262686D61696C2E6E6C X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, stokcons@bbhmail.nl, :, RULES_HIT:41:72:152:355:379:582:800:962:967:973:983:988:989:1152:1189:1208:1221:1260:1263:1313:1314:1345:1381:1431:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1534:1539:1560:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1711:1714:1730:1749:1776:1792:2525:2551:2561:2564:2682:2685:2829:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3586:3865:3868:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4321:4659:5007:6261:6298:6659:8603:9015:9025:9177:9388:10004:10400:10848:11232:11658:11914:12043:12050:12555:12679:12895:12986:13071:13139:13199:13229:13439:13846:14096:14180:14181:14721:21060:21080:21433:21451:21625:21691:30048:30054:30091, 0, RBL:216.40.42.5:@bbhmail.nl:.lbl8.mailshell.net-62.8.55.100 66.201.201.201, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:neutral, Custom_rules:0:0:0, LFtime:28, LUA_SUMMARY:none X-HE-Tag: slope74_711799d974f4b X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2199 Received: from mail.bbhmail.nl (imap-ext [216.40.42.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@stokcons@bbhmail.nl) by omf12.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:22:57 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_6d9d19eba35fe45822df0ebf96c1e1db" Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:22:56 +0200 From: Peter van der Stok To: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <66ea550e1a2ad9e7d1e2e71c6fc3dd84@bbhmail.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [5.206.216.229] Archived-At: Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] meeting in Bangkok X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. 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We have foreseen half an hour during the Roll m= eeting on monday.

Ines and peter
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Set up m= eeting for time being weekly, we=A1=AFll have to check how this works throu= gh 

the DST changes US/Europe anyhow. Both Webex and Outlook should have been s= et up

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X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:20:16 -0000 Sorry folks, i am fighting with outlook&webex for more than a decade now, but i continue to loose battles against them. Obviously, there is no roll-bier-dt meeting on sundays (only on wednesdays), even though outlook gave me such a reminder, and somehow it claims i have set it up that way. 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Thread-Index: AQHUZJqXibAKece41Em975UQtsEm7KUgbOvA Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:25:12 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:25:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20181015152004.c2pu7667focwlnkp@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: <20181015152004.c2pu7667focwlnkp@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.231.153] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.15, xch-rcd-005.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-1.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] No sunday meetings! X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:25:35 -0000 Seems you moved it again an hour late? > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless > Eckert > Sent: lundi 15 octobre 2018 17:20 > To: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] No sunday meetings! >=20 > Sorry folks, i am fighting with outlook&webex for more than a decade now, > but i continue to loose battles against them. Obviously, there is no roll= -bier-dt > meeting on sundays (only on wednesdays), even though outlook gave me such > a reminder, and somehow it claims i have set it up that way. Hopefully fi= xed > now. >=20 > *sigh* >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt From nobody Mon Oct 15 08:39:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC12A130DDB for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kkWlKI2jo5k8 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F6AD12F1A6 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DFWEML703-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.9.221]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 418DC85205A1D; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:39:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by DFWEML703-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.177) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:39:39 -0700 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.88]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.30]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 08:39:37 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" CC: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Thread-Topic: ROLL BIER design team weekly Thread-Index: AdReepAwPbXqaYbmSVGi7oHWBRwdXw== Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1F435D673AAAFA4CB4263AFE703E4F2502ABDD89@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.247.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1F435D673AAAFA4CB4263AFE703E4F2502ABDD89sjceml521mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] ROLL BIER design team weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. 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ROLL BIER design team weekly

Every Wednesday= , from Wednesday, October 10, 2018, to no end date

7:00 pm  |=   Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT)  |  1 hr

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Set up m= eeting for time being weekly, we=A1=AFll have to check how this works throu= gh 

the DST changes US/Europe anyhow. Both Webex and Outlook should have been s= et up

with UTC, so local times will change US/EU!


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  This should make it easier to start the call in case one of us is mi= ssing given how

  many in the DT are WG chairs. Alas, it does not seem to be possible = in webex to start

  call without any host.]



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(1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] No sunday meetings! X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 15:40:15 -0000 Thanks, Pascal. This outlook UI is really obnoxious. FIxed. On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 03:25:12PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Seems you moved it again an hour late? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless > > Eckert > > Sent: lundi 15 octobre 2018 17:20 > > To: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] No sunday meetings! > > > > Sorry folks, i am fighting with outlook&webex for more than a decade now, > > but i continue to loose battles against them. Obviously, there is no roll-bier-dt > > meeting on sundays (only on wednesdays), even though outlook gave me such > > a reminder, and somehow it claims i have set it up that way. Hopefully fixed > > now. > > > > *sigh* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu Oct 18 19:56:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FB61271FF for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 19:56:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.843 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.843 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=1.107, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ponDD5GTGpwT for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 19:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10440127133 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 19:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3325548148 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 04:56:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 94886440210; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 04:56:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 04:56:23 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Message-ID: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 02:56:31 -0000 Had just small audience this week, Michael Richardson, Greg Shepherd myself. Trying to get more organized. Will try to keep all roll-bier docs now organized on github: www.github.com/toerless/roll-bier Notes from this week: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/notes/181017-roll-bier-notes.txt Slide deck i started for this week, will try to incooperate ongoing results from DT meeting and then use at IETF102. Hopefully includes most of what we've concluded so far. Also added today a long to be reviewed section on the IP MUlticast overlay. https://github.com/toerless/roll-bier/raw/master/roll-bier-dt-slides.pptx Feel free to contribute/modify, just send requests to be added to repo, don't want to bothre trying to figure out all your github emails. 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roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 561620746.557102-c7c305a3d6136ff820914ffdb5f8f534 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> References: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:46:06 -0000 On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/notes/181017-r= oll-bier-notes.txt What do you mean with =E2=80=9CRPL does not support multicast.=E2=80=9D? = MOP=3D3? (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode doesn=E2=80=99t = exist :-), so you have a point. That=E2=80=99s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for non-storing = mode.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Fri Oct 19 05:21:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28118130EB1 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:21:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIBMkRFCa3n1 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2C2D130E7B for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441FF548140; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:21:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 33BEF440210; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:21:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:21:20 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Message-ID: <20181019122120.qviq46ec5akddel6@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:21:27 -0000 That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to answer. I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me and we probably need to take one of the DT meetings to detail more what extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to support BIER. Cheers Toerless On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/notes/181017-roll-bier-notes.txt > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? 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See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:36:39 -0000 Hello Toerless: Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for RPL storing mode, bu= t not for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in to play. In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don't they? So there's an IP= packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I expect it is th= e same packet for all destinations. So how does htat work, is it a mcast pa= cket or do all the destination have a same IP address? Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless = Eckert > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21 > To: Carsten Bormann > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt >=20 > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't transcribe= it > correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to answer. >=20 > I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP multicast > headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me and we probably need to > take one of the DT meetings to detail more what extensions we need to do = for > 6LowPan to support BIER. >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/notes/18 > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? MOP=3D3? > > (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode doesn???t exist = :-), so > you have a point. > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for non-storing mode.) > > > > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten >=20 > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt From nobody Fri Oct 19 06:14:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA17912F18C for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:14:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cRUgocYpCNIu for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0747F129C6B for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28DC54802D; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:14:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 91A3D440210; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:14:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:14:12 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: Carsten Bormann , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20181019131412.lmqn4xp2frdjddvh@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> <20181019122120.qviq46ec5akddel6@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <3d9ffd3c1e704f1db578222750ecf8b3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3d9ffd3c1e704f1db578222750ecf8b3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:14:19 -0000 On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Toerless: > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for RPL storing mode, but not for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in to play. Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr was explaining, > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don't they? So there's an IP packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I expect it is the same packet for all destinations. So how does htat work, is it a mcast packet or do all the destination have a same IP address? "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has defined its own encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or ethernet and that has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be followed by IP or anything else that BIER-WG feels deserves a code point in that registry. Cheers Toerless > Pascal > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21 > > To: Carsten Bormann > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't transcribe it > > correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to answer. > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP multicast > > headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me and we probably need to > > take one of the DT meetings to detail more what extensions we need to do for > > 6LowPan to support BIER. > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > > > > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/notes/18 > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt > > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? MOP=3? > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode doesn???t exist :-), so > > you have a point. > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for non-storing mode.) > > > > > > Gre, Carsten > > > > -- > > --- > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Fri Oct 19 06:20:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A31130EB7 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z_qxiaKADAt0 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D61B4130E9B for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3499; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1539955237; x=1541164837; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=7j5Qdrg8SLV5DDx63CxD+Pa4UuhHsONJ0QaIybKqbzM=; b=G//e6P5PDxXcRPSwomrazvPhfD7YFq92GMCeu3dfZEzwLRCWabxxgEIk wZURCXGJHgOhUvt59Hik5u/Tz+UA4wkGSfR8dGniEfb5hRttaC0CQgMID NtFHP7Xpw6qkj+z5maeacfZcTqaf8tTGxI1DnjKfDptgUlNF7f2NmdyWb c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ADAAAq2clb/5BdJa1kGQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQcBAQEBAQGBUQQBAQEBAQsBggRmfygKjAOMG4INlw+BegsBARgLhEk?= =?us-ascii?q?ChQYhNA0NAQMBAQIBAQJtHAyFOQEBAQEDAQFsCwwEAgEIDgMEAQEBLicLHQg?= =?us-ascii?q?CBA4FCIMaggEPp3CKEwWLTxeBQT+BEAGDEoMbAQGCB4U0Ao8GjzsJAoZcigY?= =?us-ascii?q?fkCmMVIlXAhEUgSYdOIFVcBU7gmyCJheDSIUUhT5viiaBHwEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,400,1534809600"; d="scan'208";a="468856818" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Oct 2018 13:20:36 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (xch-aln-002.cisco.com [173.36.7.12]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9JDKaMO025675 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:20:36 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:20:35 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:20:35 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Toerless Eckert CC: Carsten Bormann , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt Thread-Index: AQHUZ1dbfwgsNafB9kasc1tfRmIiS6UmYx4AgABugAD//68ncIAAX54A//+syNA= Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:20:11 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:19:44 +0000 Message-ID: <2313ec2f4a204e338747119a6e963165@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> <20181019122120.qviq46ec5akddel6@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <3d9ffd3c1e704f1db578222750ecf8b3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <20181019131412.lmqn4xp2frdjddvh@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: <20181019131412.lmqn4xp2frdjddvh@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.228.216.26] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.12, xch-aln-002.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-8.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:20:40 -0000 Sure, but the mystery to me is what goes transported with BIER. Because that is the heart of the problem we are facing in this DT. If BIER transports a same IP packet to multiple destinations, then they mus= t all accept the same packet. Moreover, if the destination is not the router indicated by the bit but a n= eighbor or a set of neighbors to that router, then the inner packet must in= dicate that. All in all, that tells me that the transported packet is IP multicast. What do I miss? Take care, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Toerless Eckert > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:14 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt >=20 > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote= : > > Hello Toerless: > > > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for RPL storing mode= , but not > for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in to play. >=20 > Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr was explaining, >=20 > > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don't they? So there's a= n IP > packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I expect it is t= he same > packet for all destinations. So how does htat work, is it a mcast packet = or do all > the destination have a same IP address? >=20 > "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has defined its own > encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or ethernet and t= hat > has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be followed by IP or any= thing else > that BIER-WG feels deserves a code point in that registry. >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > > Pascal > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of > > > Toerless Eckert > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21 > > > To: Carsten Bormann > > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't > > > transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to answer. > > > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP > > > multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me and we > > > probably need to take one of the DT meetings to detail more what > > > extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to support BIER. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Toerless > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/note > > > > > s/18 > > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt > > > > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? MOP= =3D3? > > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode doesn???t > > > > exist :-), so > > > you have a point. > > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for non-storing > > > > mode.) > > > > > > > > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten > > > > > > -- > > > --- > > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >=20 > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Fri Oct 19 06:52:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12191130EE7 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8BpqgJJOHy4Z for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20B89130DC2 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDEF548906; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:52:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id B2420440210; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:52:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:52:15 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: Carsten Bormann , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20181019135215.fxysqsnmyi4miakl@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> <20181019122120.qviq46ec5akddel6@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <3d9ffd3c1e704f1db578222750ecf8b3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <20181019131412.lmqn4xp2frdjddvh@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <2313ec2f4a204e338747119a6e963165@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2313ec2f4a204e338747119a6e963165@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:52:23 -0000 On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:20:11PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Sure, but the mystery to me is what goes transported with BIER. As said, BIER proper can encapsulate anything deemed important enough to get a code point in the BIER encap. I am saying "proper" because ROLL may not want to take RFC8296 given the likely competition with 6LowPan. > Because that is the heart of the problem we are facing in this DT. > If BIER transports a same IP packet to multiple destinations, then they must all accept the same packet. More a property of the larger clas of multicasting overall assuming tojust copy the payload - and not to modify it. I thought we had killed in last weeks meeting the idea of trying to come up with a mechanism that manages to use packet replication (BIER) and then modding received copies to fake different per-receiver IP unicast packets - because of the problem of making this architecturally work well with higher layers like UDP that also have a notion of an IP (pseudo) header. Too much faking needed. At least thats what i tried to summarize in my slides. Aka: We use BIER-TE for unicast packets but then the expectation is that there is just one destination, and the whole purpose of BIER-TE is not replication but source routing. And we use BIER-TE(/BIER) for IP multicast packets where there can be 1 or more destinations. [ Of course there are fun extensions later, e.g.: a unicast packet could still be sent to redundant nodes sharing an IP adddress and therefore able to receive/process the same packet, but i think thats less likely something one would do in a ROLL domain. ] > Moreover, if the destination is not the router indicated by the bit > but a neighbor or a set of neighbors to that router, then the inner > packet must indicate that. > All in all, that tells me that the transported packet is IP multicast. Yes, we have two layers. The BIER layer that only reaches nodes with an assigned BIER bit, and they can communicate potentially any payload across BIER, IP or other. And then on top of that there is IP multicast between the BIER edge nodes and IP unicast/multicast only nodes. The pictures in the slide deck posted intend to show that (that IP multicast building block picture still TBD). > What do I miss? I think primarily me wanting to figure out the encap we use within the BIER-ROLL domain: RFC8296 vs. 6LowPan+extensions. Cheers Toerless > Take care, > > Pascal > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Toerless Eckert > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:14 > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > Hello Toerless: > > > > > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for RPL storing mode, but not > > for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in to play. > > > > Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr was explaining, > > > > > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don't they? So there's an IP > > packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I expect it is the same > > packet for all destinations. So how does htat work, is it a mcast packet or do all > > the destination have a same IP address? > > > > "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has defined its own > > encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or ethernet and that > > has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be followed by IP or anything else > > that BIER-WG feels deserves a code point in that registry. > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of > > > > Toerless Eckert > > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21 > > > > To: Carsten Bormann > > > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't > > > > transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to answer. > > > > > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP > > > > multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me and we > > > > probably need to take one of the DT meetings to detail more what > > > > extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to support BIER. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Toerless > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/note > > > > > > s/18 > > > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? MOP=3? > > > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode doesn???t > > > > > exist :-), so > > > > you have a point. > > > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for non-storing > > > > > mode.) > > > > > > > > > > Gre, Carsten > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --- > > > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > -- > > --- > > tte@cs.fau.de > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Fri Oct 19 07:54:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2BB130EF3 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 07:54:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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d="scan'208";a="188561702" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Oct 2018 14:54:38 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-002.cisco.com (xch-rcd-002.cisco.com [173.37.102.12]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9JEsc6g029531 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:54:38 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-002.cisco.com (173.37.102.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:54:37 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 09:54:37 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Toerless Eckert CC: Carsten Bormann , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt Thread-Index: AQHUZ1dbfwgsNafB9kasc1tfRmIiS6UmYx4AgABugAD//68ncIAAX54A//+syNCAAF3agP//vQcQ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:54:10 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:54:08 +0000 Message-ID: <10af6194e1da417da0f3e682d361f9dd@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> <20181019122120.qviq46ec5akddel6@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <3d9ffd3c1e704f1db578222750ecf8b3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <20181019131412.lmqn4xp2frdjddvh@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <2313ec2f4a204e338747119a6e963165@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <20181019135215.fxysqsnmyi4miakl@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: <20181019135215.fxysqsnmyi4miakl@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.228.216.26] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.12, xch-rcd-002.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-6.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:54:42 -0000 Please consider this then :) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thubert-6lo-bier-dispatch/ take care, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Toerless Eckert > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:52 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt >=20 > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:20:11PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote= : > > Sure, but the mystery to me is what goes transported with BIER. >=20 > As said, BIER proper can encapsulate anything deemed important enough to = get > a code point in the BIER encap. I am saying "proper" because ROLL may not > want to take RFC8296 given the likely competition with 6LowPan. >=20 > > Because that is the heart of the problem we are facing in this DT. > > If BIER transports a same IP packet to multiple destinations, then they= must all > accept the same packet. >=20 > More a property of the larger clas of multicasting overall assuming tojus= t copy > the payload - and not to modify it. >=20 > I thought we had killed in last weeks meeting the idea of trying to come = up with > a mechanism that manages to use packet replication (BIER) and then moddin= g > received copies to fake different per-receiver IP unicast packets > - because of the problem of making this architecturally work well with hi= gher > layers like UDP that also have a notion of an IP (pseudo) header. > Too much faking needed. At least thats what i tried to summarize in my sl= ides. >=20 > Aka: We use BIER-TE for unicast packets but then the expectation is that = there is > just one destination, and the whole purpose of BIER-TE is not replication= but > source routing. And we use BIER-TE(/BIER) for IP multicast packets where = there > can be 1 or more destinations. >=20 > [ Of course there are fun extensions later, e.g.: a unicast packet could = still be > sent to redundant nodes sharing an IP adddress and therefore able to > receive/process the same packet, but i think thats less likely something= one > would do in a ROLL domain. ] >=20 > > Moreover, if the destination is not the router indicated by the bit > > but a neighbor or a set of neighbors to that router, then the inner > > packet must indicate that. > > All in all, that tells me that the transported packet is IP multicast. >=20 > Yes, we have two layers. The BIER layer that only reaches nodes with an > assigned BIER bit, and they can communicate potentially any payload acros= s > BIER, IP or other. And then on top of that there is IP multicast between = the BIER > edge nodes and IP unicast/multicast only nodes. The pictures in the slide= deck > posted intend to show that (that IP multicast building block picture stil= l TBD). >=20 > > What do I miss? >=20 > I think primarily me wanting to figure out the encap we use within the BI= ER- > ROLL domain: RFC8296 vs. 6LowPan+extensions. >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > > Take care, > > > > Pascal > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Toerless Eckert > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:14 > > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: > > > > Hello Toerless: > > > > > > > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for RPL storing > > > > mode, but not > > > for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in to play. > > > > > > Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr was > > > explaining, > > > > > > > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don't they? So > > > > there's an IP > > > packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I expect it > > > is the same packet for all destinations. So how does htat work, is > > > it a mcast packet or do all the destination have a same IP address? > > > > > > "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has defined its own > > > encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or ethernet > > > and that has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be > > > followed by IP or anything else that BIER-WG feels deserves a code po= int in > that registry. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Toerless > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of > > > > > Toerless Eckert > > > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21 > > > > > To: Carsten Bormann > > > > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > > > > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't > > > > > transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to answe= r. > > > > > > > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP > > > > > multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me and > > > > > we probably need to take one of the DT meetings to detail more > > > > > what extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to support BIER. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Toerless > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert wrot= e: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/ > > > > > > > note > > > > > > > s/18 > > > > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? > MOP=3D3? > > > > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode > > > > > > doesn???t exist :-), so > > > > > you have a point. > > > > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for > > > > > > non-storing > > > > > > mode.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > --- > > > > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > > > -- > > > --- > > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >=20 > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Oct 24 08:46:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0523A130E12 for ; 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Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:46:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181019025623.v5da76qrnakohlef@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <61CE8F7B-C12B-4B13-8B48-B199370AC4AB@tzi.org> <20181019122120.qviq46ec5akddel6@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <3d9ffd3c1e704f1db578222750ecf8b3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <20181019131412.lmqn4xp2frdjddvh@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <2313ec2f4a204e338747119a6e963165@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <20181019135215.fxysqsnmyi4miakl@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <10af6194e1da417da0f3e682d361f9dd@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <10af6194e1da417da0f3e682d361f9dd@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com From: Greg Shepherd Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 08:46:24 -0700 Message-ID: To: pthubert@cisco.com Cc: Toerless Eckert , Carsten Bormann , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fef4c00578fb63de" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 15:46:43 -0000 --000000000000fef4c00578fb63de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I won't be on the call today, sorry. Greg On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:54 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Please consider this then :) > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thubert-6lo-bier-dispatch/ > > take care, > > Pascal > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Toerless Eckert > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:52 > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:20:11PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: > > > Sure, but the mystery to me is what goes transported with BIER. > > > > As said, BIER proper can encapsulate anything deemed important enough t= o > get > > a code point in the BIER encap. I am saying "proper" because ROLL may n= ot > > want to take RFC8296 given the likely competition with 6LowPan. > > > > > Because that is the heart of the problem we are facing in this DT. > > > If BIER transports a same IP packet to multiple destinations, then > they must all > > accept the same packet. > > > > More a property of the larger clas of multicasting overall assuming > tojust copy > > the payload - and not to modify it. > > > > I thought we had killed in last weeks meeting the idea of trying to com= e > up with > > a mechanism that manages to use packet replication (BIER) and then > modding > > received copies to fake different per-receiver IP unicast packets > > - because of the problem of making this architecturally work well with > higher > > layers like UDP that also have a notion of an IP (pseudo) header. > > Too much faking needed. At least thats what i tried to summarize in my > slides. > > > > Aka: We use BIER-TE for unicast packets but then the expectation is tha= t > there is > > just one destination, and the whole purpose of BIER-TE is not > replication but > > source routing. And we use BIER-TE(/BIER) for IP multicast packets wher= e > there > > can be 1 or more destinations. > > > > [ Of course there are fun extensions later, e.g.: a unicast packet > could still be > > sent to redundant nodes sharing an IP adddress and therefore able to > > receive/process the same packet, but i think thats less likely > something one > > would do in a ROLL domain. ] > > > > > Moreover, if the destination is not the router indicated by the bit > > > but a neighbor or a set of neighbors to that router, then the inner > > > packet must indicate that. > > > All in all, that tells me that the transported packet is IP multicast= . > > > > Yes, we have two layers. The BIER layer that only reaches nodes with an > > assigned BIER bit, and they can communicate potentially any payload > across > > BIER, IP or other. And then on top of that there is IP multicast betwee= n > the BIER > > edge nodes and IP unicast/multicast only nodes. The pictures in the > slide deck > > posted intend to show that (that IP multicast building block picture > still TBD). > > > > > What do I miss? > > > > I think primarily me wanting to figure out the encap we use within the > BIER- > > ROLL domain: RFC8296 vs. 6LowPan+extensions. > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Toerless Eckert > > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:14 > > > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > > > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Toerless: > > > > > > > > > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for RPL storin= g > > > > > mode, but not > > > > for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in to play. > > > > > > > > Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr was > > > > explaining, > > > > > > > > > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don't they? So > > > > > there's an IP > > > > packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I expect i= t > > > > is the same packet for all destinations. So how does htat work, is > > > > it a mcast packet or do all the destination have a same IP address? > > > > > > > > "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has defined its own > > > > encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or ethernet > > > > and that has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be > > > > followed by IP or anything else that BIER-WG feels deserves a code > point in > > that registry. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Toerless > > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of > > > > > > Toerless Eckert > > > > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21 > > > > > > To: Carsten Bormann > > > > > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt > > > > > > > > > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't > > > > > > transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP > > > > > > multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me and > > > > > > we probably need to take one of the DT meetings to detail more > > > > > > what extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to support BIER. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Toerless > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote= : > > > > > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master= / > > > > > > > > note > > > > > > > > s/18 > > > > > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? > > MOP=3D3? > > > > > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode > > > > > > > doesn???t exist :-), so > > > > > > you have a point. > > > > > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for > > > > > > > non-storing > > > > > > > mode.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --- > > > > > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > > > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --- > > > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > -- > > --- > > tte@cs.fau.de > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > --000000000000fef4c00578fb63de Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I won't be on the call today, sorry.

Greg

On Fri, O= ct 19, 2018 at 7:54 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
Please consider this then :)

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-thubert-6lo-bier-dispatch/

take care,

Pascal

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
> Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:52
> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
> Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:20:11PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wr= ote:
> > Sure, but the mystery to me is what goes transported with BIER. >
> As said, BIER proper can encapsulate anything deemed important enough = to get
> a code point in the BIER encap. I am saying "proper" because= ROLL may not
> want to take RFC8296 given the likely competition with 6LowPan.
>
> > Because that is the heart of the problem we are facing in this DT= .
> > If BIER transports a same IP packet to multiple destinations, the= n they must all
> accept the same packet.
>
> More a property of the larger clas of multicasting overall assuming to= just copy
> the payload - and not to modify it.
>
> I thought we had killed in last weeks meeting the idea of trying to co= me up with
> a mechanism that manages to use packet replication (BIER) and then mod= ding
> received copies to fake different per-receiver IP unicast packets
> - because of the problem of making this architecturally work well with= higher
> layers like UDP that also have a notion of an IP (pseudo) header.
> Too much faking needed. At least thats what i tried to summarize in my= slides.
>
> Aka: We use BIER-TE for unicast packets but then the expectation is th= at there is
> just one destination, and the whole purpose of BIER-TE is not replicat= ion but
> source routing. And we use BIER-TE(/BIER) for IP multicast packets whe= re there
> can be 1 or more destinations.
>
> [ Of course there are fun extensions later, e.g.: a unicast packet cou= ld=C2=A0 still be
> sent to redundant nodes sharing an IP adddress and therefore=C2=A0 abl= e to
> receive/process the same packet, but i think thats less likely=C2=A0 s= omething one
> would do in a ROLL domain. ]
>
> > Moreover, if the destination is not the router indicated by the b= it
> > but a neighbor or a set of neighbors to that router, then the inn= er
> > packet must indicate that.
> > All in all, that tells me that the transported packet is IP multi= cast.
>
> Yes, we have two layers. The BIER layer that only reaches nodes with a= n
> assigned BIER bit, and they can communicate potentially any payload ac= ross
> BIER, IP or other. And then on top of that there is IP multicast betwe= en the BIER
> edge nodes and IP unicast/multicast only nodes. The pictures in the sl= ide deck
> posted intend to show that (that IP multicast building block picture s= till TBD).
>
> > What do I miss?
>
> I think primarily me wanting to figure out the encap we use within the= BIER-
> ROLL domain: RFC8296 vs. 6LowPan+extensions.
>
> Cheers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
>
> > Take care,
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
> > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:14
> > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
> > > Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pt= hubert)
> wrote:
> > > > Hello Toerless:
> > > >
> > > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for = RPL storing
> > > > mode, but not
> > > for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in = to play.
> > >
> > > Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr wa= s
> > > explaining,
> > >
> > > > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don'= t they? So
> > > > there's an IP
> > > packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I e= xpect it
> > > is the same packet for all destinations. So how does htat wo= rk, is
> > > it a mcast packet or do all the destination have a same IP a= ddress?
> > >
> > > "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has= defined its own
> > > encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or e= thernet
> > > and that has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be=
> > > followed by IP or anything else that BIER-WG feels deserves = a code point in
> that registry.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> > >
> > > > Pascal
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Roll-bier-dt <roll-bier-dt-bounces@ietf.org&g= t; On Behalf Of
> > > > > Toerless Eckert
> > > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21
> > > > > To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
> > > > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt
> > > > >
> > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and ma= ybe i didn't
> > > > > transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribe= d here to answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of c= ompressed IP
> > > > > multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is uncl= ear to me and
> > > > > we probably need to take one of the DT meetings to= detail more
> > > > > what extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to suppo= rt BIER.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten = Bormann wrote:
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert &l= t;tte@cs.fau.de> = wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https= ://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/
> > > > > > > note
> > > > > > > s/18
> > > > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support= multicast.????
> MOP=3D3?
> > > > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and sto= ring mode
> > > > > > doesn???t exist :-), so
> > > > > you have a point.
> > > > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multica= st for
> > > > > > non-storing
> > > > > > mode.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > ---
> > > > > tte@cs.fau.de
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list
> > > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/roll-bier-dt
> > >
> > > --
> > > ---
> > > tte@cs.fa= u.de
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Roll-bier-dt mailing list
> > Roll-b= ier-dt@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ro= ll-bier-dt
>
> --
> ---
> tte@cs.fau.de
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Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:06:49 -0000 --000000000000db4ff50578fbab53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought it was all delayed until f2f in thailand ? On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:46 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > I won't be on the call today, sorry. > > Greg > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:54 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Please consider this then :) >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thubert-6lo-bier-dispatch/ >> >> take care, >> >> Pascal >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Toerless Eckert >> > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:52 >> > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:20:11PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> wrote: >> > > Sure, but the mystery to me is what goes transported with BIER. >> > >> > As said, BIER proper can encapsulate anything deemed important enough >> to get >> > a code point in the BIER encap. I am saying "proper" because ROLL may >> not >> > want to take RFC8296 given the likely competition with 6LowPan. >> > >> > > Because that is the heart of the problem we are facing in this DT.. >> > > If BIER transports a same IP packet to multiple destinations, then >> they must all >> > accept the same packet. >> > >> > More a property of the larger clas of multicasting overall assuming >> tojust copy >> > the payload - and not to modify it. >> > >> > I thought we had killed in last weeks meeting the idea of trying to >> come up with >> > a mechanism that manages to use packet replication (BIER) and then >> modding >> > received copies to fake different per-receiver IP unicast packets >> > - because of the problem of making this architecturally work well with >> higher >> > layers like UDP that also have a notion of an IP (pseudo) header. >> > Too much faking needed. At least thats what i tried to summarize in my >> slides. >> > >> > Aka: We use BIER-TE for unicast packets but then the expectation is >> that there is >> > just one destination, and the whole purpose of BIER-TE is not >> replication but >> > source routing. And we use BIER-TE(/BIER) for IP multicast packets >> where there >> > can be 1 or more destinations. >> > >> > [ Of course there are fun extensions later, e.g.: a unicast packet >> could still be >> > sent to redundant nodes sharing an IP adddress and therefore able to >> > receive/process the same packet, but i think thats less likely >> something one >> > would do in a ROLL domain. ] >> > >> > > Moreover, if the destination is not the router indicated by the bit >> > > but a neighbor or a set of neighbors to that router, then the inner >> > > packet must indicate that. >> > > All in all, that tells me that the transported packet is IP multicas= t. >> > >> > Yes, we have two layers. The BIER layer that only reaches nodes with a= n >> > assigned BIER bit, and they can communicate potentially any payload >> across >> > BIER, IP or other. And then on top of that there is IP multicast >> between the BIER >> > edge nodes and IP unicast/multicast only nodes. The pictures in the >> slide deck >> > posted intend to show that (that IP multicast building block picture >> still TBD). >> > >> > > What do I miss? >> > >> > I think primarily me wanting to figure out the encap we use within the >> BIER- >> > ROLL domain: RFC8296 vs. 6LowPan+extensions. >> > >> > Cheers >> > Toerless >> > >> > > Take care, >> > > >> > > Pascal >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Toerless Eckert >> > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:14 >> > > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > > > Cc: Carsten Bormann ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert= ) >> > wrote: >> > > > > Hello Toerless: >> > > > > >> > > > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for RPL stori= ng >> > > > > mode, but not >> > > > for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in to play. >> > > > >> > > > Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr was >> > > > explaining, >> > > > >> > > > > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don't they? So >> > > > > there's an IP >> > > > packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I expect = it >> > > > is the same packet for all destinations. So how does htat work, is >> > > > it a mcast packet or do all the destination have a same IP address= ? >> > > > >> > > > "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has defined its own >> > > > encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or etherne= t >> > > > and that has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be >> > > > followed by IP or anything else that BIER-WG feels deserves a code >> point in >> > that registry. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers >> > > > Toerless >> > > > >> > > > > Pascal >> > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf O= f >> > > > > > Toerless Eckert >> > > > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21 >> > > > > > To: Carsten Bormann > >> > > > > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt >> > > > > > >> > > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and maybe i didn't >> > > > > > transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribed here to >> answer. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of compressed IP >> > > > > > multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is unclear to me an= d >> > > > > > we probably need to take one of the DT meetings to detail more >> > > > > > what extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to support BIER. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers >> > > > > > Toerless >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrot= e: >> > > > > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/ >> >> > > > > > > > note >> > > > > > > > s/18 >> > > > > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support multicast.???? >> > MOP=3D3? >> > > > > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and storing mode >> > > > > > > doesn???t exist :-), so >> > > > > > you have a point. >> > > > > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multicast for >> > > > > > > non-storing >> > > > > > > mode.) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > --- >> > > > > > tte@cs.fau.de >> > > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> > > > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > --- >> > > > tte@cs.fau.de >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >> > >> > -- >> > --- >> > tte@cs.fau.de >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >> > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > --000000000000db4ff50578fbab53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought it was all delayed until f2f in thailand ?
<= /div>
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 a= t 8:46 AM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmai= l.com> wrote:
I won't be on the call today, sorry.

Greg

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at= 7:54 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
Please consider this then :)

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-thubert-6lo-bier-dispatch/

take care,

Pascal

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
> Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:52
> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
> Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:20:11PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wr= ote:
> > Sure, but the mystery to me is what goes transported with BIER. >
> As said, BIER proper can encapsulate anything deemed important enough = to get
> a code point in the BIER encap. I am saying "proper" because= ROLL may not
> want to take RFC8296 given the likely competition with 6LowPan.
>
> > Because that is the heart of the problem we are facing in this DT= ..
> > If BIER transports a same IP packet to multiple destinations, the= n they must all
> accept the same packet.
>
> More a property of the larger clas of multicasting overall assuming to= just copy
> the payload - and not to modify it.
>
> I thought we had killed in last weeks meeting the idea of trying to co= me up with
> a mechanism that manages to use packet replication (BIER) and then mod= ding
> received copies to fake different per-receiver IP unicast packets
> - because of the problem of making this architecturally work well with= higher
> layers like UDP that also have a notion of an IP (pseudo) header.
> Too much faking needed. At least thats what i tried to summarize in my= slides.
>
> Aka: We use BIER-TE for unicast packets but then the expectation is th= at there is
> just one destination, and the whole purpose of BIER-TE is not replicat= ion but
> source routing. And we use BIER-TE(/BIER) for IP multicast packets whe= re there
> can be 1 or more destinations.
>
> [ Of course there are fun extensions later, e.g.: a unicast packet cou= ld=C2=A0 still be
> sent to redundant nodes sharing an IP adddress and therefore=C2=A0 abl= e to
> receive/process the same packet, but i think thats less likely=C2=A0 s= omething one
> would do in a ROLL domain. ]
>
> > Moreover, if the destination is not the router indicated by the b= it
> > but a neighbor or a set of neighbors to that router, then the inn= er
> > packet must indicate that.
> > All in all, that tells me that the transported packet is IP multi= cast.
>
> Yes, we have two layers. The BIER layer that only reaches nodes with a= n
> assigned BIER bit, and they can communicate potentially any payload ac= ross
> BIER, IP or other. And then on top of that there is IP multicast betwe= en the BIER
> edge nodes and IP unicast/multicast only nodes. The pictures in the sl= ide deck
> posted intend to show that (that IP multicast building block picture s= till TBD).
>
> > What do I miss?
>
> I think primarily me wanting to figure out the encap we use within the= BIER-
> ROLL domain: RFC8296 vs. 6LowPan+extensions.
>
> Cheers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
>
> > Take care,
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
> > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 15:14
> > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
> > > Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:36:06PM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pt= hubert)
> wrote:
> > > > Hello Toerless:
> > > >
> > > > Well, there is as Carsten says a multicast support for = RPL storing
> > > > mode, but not
> > > for non-storing. This is where Carsten's draft comes in = to play.
> > >
> > > Sure. As said, i may not have correctly captured what Mcr wa= s
> > > explaining,
> > >
> > > > In normal BIER, the bits indicate the routers, don'= t they? So
> > > > there's an IP
> > > packet inside, correct, like in my tunnel mode? But then I e= xpect it
> > > is the same packet for all destinations. So how does htat wo= rk, is
> > > it a mcast packet or do all the destination have a same IP a= ddress?
> > >
> > > "Proper BIER" (TM) (the stuff done by BIER-WG) has= defined its own
> > > encapsulation header (RFC8296) that sits on top of MPLS or e= thernet
> > > and that has its own next-proto field/registry, so it can be=
> > > followed by IP or anything else that BIER-WG feels deserves = a code point in
> that registry.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> > >
> > > > Pascal
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Roll-bier-dt <roll-bier-dt-bounces@ietf.org&g= t; On Behalf Of
> > > > > Toerless Eckert
> > > > > Sent: vendredi 19 octobre 2018 14:21
> > > > > To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
> > > > > Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt
> > > > >
> > > > > That was me taking notes what Michael said, and ma= ybe i didn't
> > > > > transcribe it correctly. Hope Michael is subscribe= d here to answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think i was more wondering about the suport of c= ompressed IP
> > > > > multicast headders in 6LowPan because that is uncl= ear to me and
> > > > > we probably need to take one of the DT meetings to= detail more
> > > > > what extensions we need to do for 6LowPan to suppo= rt BIER.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 07:45:50AM +0200, Carsten = Bormann wrote:
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 04:56, Toerless Eckert &l= t;tte@cs.fau.de> = wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http= s://raw.githubusercontent.com/toerless/roll-bier/master/
> > > > > > > note
> > > > > > > s/18
> > > > > > > 1017-roll-bier-notes.txt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you mean with ???RPL does not support= multicast.????
> MOP=3D3?
> > > > > > (That is of course storing mode only, and sto= ring mode
> > > > > > doesn???t exist :-), so
> > > > > you have a point.
> > > > > > That???s why we did ccast, to fill in multica= st for
> > > > > > non-storing
> > > > > > mode.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > ---
> > > > > tte@cs.fau.de
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list
> > > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/roll-bier-dt
> > >
> > > --
> > > ---
> > > tte@cs.fa= u.de
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Roll-bier-dt mailing list
> > Roll-b= ier-dt@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ro= ll-bier-dt
>
> --
> ---
> tte@cs.fau.de
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