From nobody Wed Nov 7 23:14:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7777128DFD for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:14:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o5NBPn3rJqaq for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0237.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 143DB124408 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay04.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5629180A8122 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 07:14:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 73746F6B636F6E73406262686D61696C2E6E6C X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, stokcons@bbhmail.nl, :, RULES_HIT:41:72:152:355:379:582:602:800:877:962:967:973:983:988:989:1152:1189:1208:1221:1260:1263:1313:1314:1345:1359:1381:1431:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1534:1540:1567:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1711:1714:1730:1776:1792:2198:2199:2525:2553:2561:2564:2682:2685:2829:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3586:3622:3865:3866:3867:3870:3871:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4321:4659:5007:6261:6298:6659:6678:7802:8603:9015:9025:9177:9388:10004:10214:10400:10848:11232:11658:11914:12043:12050:12555:12679:12895:12986:13071:13139:13199:13229:13439:13846:14096:14180:14181:14721:21060:21080:21433:21451:21625:21691:30048:30054:30090, 0, RBL:216.40.42.5:@bbhmail.nl:.lbl8.mailshell.net-62.8.55.100 66.201.201.201, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:neutral, Custom_rules:0:0:0, LFtime:28, LUA_SUMMARY:none X-HE-Tag: party75_27f7a3ad8bf15 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 2722 Received: from mail.bbhmail.nl (imap-ext [216.40.42.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@stokcons@bbhmail.nl) by omf17.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 07:14:34 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_a7aaa3677393babee3d08370a10f8fa8" Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:14:34 +0700 From: Peter van der Stok To: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <52bd4af22b1fb52a958e9dd52e0e5d71@bbhmail.nl> References: <52bd4af22b1fb52a958e9dd52e0e5d71@bbhmail.nl> Message-ID: X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [31.133.136.157] Archived-At: Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 07:14:38 -0000 --=_a7aaa3677393babee3d08370a10f8fa8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support from Pascal) in the month of January. Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). Peter -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org [1] tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_a7aaa3677393babee3d08370a10f8fa8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hi all,


This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with supp= ort from Pascal) in the month of January.
Please have a look at your a= genda to see when this is feasible.
In the limit we might organize a w= ild weekend (with partners welcome).

Peter
--
Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: consultancy@vanderstok= =2Eorg, stokc= ons@bbhmail.nl
www: www.vanderstok.org
tel NL: +31(0)4= 92474673     F: +33(0)966015248
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I can really only make it after 2nd, best last Jan week ..= .

On Thu, Nov 8, = 2018 at 2:14 PM Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl> wrote:

Hi all,


This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with suppor= t from Pascal) in the month of January.
Please have a look at your agend= a to see when this is feasible.
In the limit we might organize a wild we= ekend (with partners welcome).

Peter
--
Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: <= a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_= blank">consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
www: ww= w.vanderstok.org
tel NL: +31(0)492474673 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0F:= +33(0)966015248
_______________________________________________
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Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:07:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:07:35 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Message-ID: <20181111100735.toyhlvj3ciei7p4s@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] No DT meeting this week X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:07:41 -0000 Saw that Pascal can not attend this week, and i too would have a hard time TZ wise (china), so cancelling for this week. Hopefully outlooks cancellation for just this weeks occurance works. 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See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:52:37 -0000 --000000000000362af0057a7c34ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Jan works for me. On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:16 PM Tony Przygienda wrote: > I can really only make it after 2nd, best last Jan week .... > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:14 PM Peter van der Stok > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support >> from Pascal) in the month of January. >> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. >> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter van der Stok >> vanderstok consultancy >> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl >> www: www.vanderstok.org >> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >> > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > --000000000000362af0057a7c34ba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jan works for me.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:16 PM Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> wrote:
I can really only make it aft= er 2nd, best last Jan week ....

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:14 PM Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl&= gt; wrote:

Hi all,


This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with suppor= t from Pascal) in the month of January.
Please have a look at your agend= a to see when this is feasible.
In the limit we might organize a wild we= ekend (with partners welcome).

Peter
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Peter van der Stok
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mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhm= ail.nl
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--000000000000362af0057a7c34ba-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 19:52:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E3B124408 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.952 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wGpl9p-R-ahA for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E4BA126BED for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93E0548004; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 04:52:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id C9E38440210; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 04:52:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 04:52:32 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Greg Shepherd Cc: Tony Przygienda , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org, consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <20181113035232.itd3x5cvsmsijcrk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <52bd4af22b1fb52a958e9dd52e0e5d71@bbhmail.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 03:52:42 -0000 January in europe would in general work well for me to, i just need to figure out the exact timing of one other event in januar before i know my exact availability. Whats a good tool to inquire - doodle is at hour level... Maybe just use it but only owrry about the days ? Cheers Toerless On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:52:22AM -0800, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Jan works for me. > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:16 PM Tony Przygienda wrote: > > > I can really only make it after 2nd, best last Jan week .... > > > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:14 PM Peter van der Stok > > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support > >> from Pascal) in the month of January. > >> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. > >> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). > >> > >> Peter > >> -- > >> Peter van der Stok > >> vanderstok consultancy > >> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > >> www: www.vanderstok.org > >> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list > >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Mon Nov 12 22:37:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B48130DD8 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:37:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yZZBXI_3kIcl for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot1-x32c.google.com (mail-ot1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7E21286E7 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id 81so10370182otj.2 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:36:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Wayfrx5hDf9giZHn31BFoAbGp4TaqxwSUzuzWbKuvBo=; b=NJyC/kipRm/BZCjZYlfUPP9EdGKZc1U/bDSqGZ90t2smvRynbgncwH3jjoEMRSHz/0 7SiI9ZWKc3f3tQv3F6rHpHTTNhkerDYRYNCeS8wG9gdoWzTN5n3WkxjoQVMFX4/RH5Gy rEdUmq50aCXKR92sVN+B1rlbDASPfKs9pTyAwu9JQnwMUPpY4/SveV+z+E0gaNGv5De6 oN21Xr04278rbZ5IA/Pf4wEzVut/LUIBc8VwTPJWtXdmJ7irm6vpIZJ48MnO36Ut6Mj5 0VucyHkMIgRf2kGZywJFi8xvgulKQ3OKKdnNfBo29rJfakOyEwc50zjNrCfss34rJP7G g7xQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Wayfrx5hDf9giZHn31BFoAbGp4TaqxwSUzuzWbKuvBo=; b=F/JSE+SBbiDbbAR82zJLFVicHzGiHBa94WlXN4mSzSlWf5FDKosxXz5enViQ5mY6sc Xing1arVbZs5Ew4QEskeDscekNGwACScMnT421VvHMZ4SyH4FvaP4LPbbeRsyJKoP2yD 2jIPb8l8pqS0t2Gwiu+8wtMp1+HW6BRz+b2D7uVqYWkbJcAqAv8p0zG+j3C2s0jNTHSE dPxXiRfIlgQ7G+zKCBgj9P5s7UVkvxi6aNkMvxWd+nfEYKERk30iySVwWhGE6nILGBSV FlsyYCyeM2go76XSH0oFHeqf3Y/6eTuUf4lFVJJhPb7B3dgx4JOl1nxQj4+FSdPjLwwk gOIw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gIudORZKjwoEuxMbSuQZGuVxlIP5BYguo53ymWgDXbnMBu5Yu9l cRpJehe+HbE2cyGsMFAJuWa9W72PX4zH9gkAEWvvrnO8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5ddjFiwQXLAyHChuzkrME6o11z3/QhYRI7Y2OQ1oPmiHzpC7vDIZ8IIqxpLhvW59sV9ij2KN/493HU8eTb05Ho= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4f0c:: with SMTP id d12mr2534124otl.302.1542091018677; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 895490483151 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:36:57 -0500 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Airmail iOS (372) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:36:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: Peter van der Stok , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org, consultancy@vanderstok.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000061305c057a860b24" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 06:37:02 -0000 --00000000000061305c057a860b24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Process/terminology question: we=E2=80=99re talking about a DT meeting, no= t a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? I=E2=80=99m ok with either. If we=E2=80=99re talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time f= rames we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) wrote: > Hi all, > > This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support > from Pascal) in the month of January. > Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. > In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). > > Peter > -- > Peter van der Stok > vanderstok consultancy > mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > www: www.vanderstok.org > tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > Thanks! Alvaro. --00000000000061305c057a860b24 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!

Process/terminology questio= n: =C2=A0we=E2=80=99re talking about a DT meeting, not a WG Interim (maybe = focused on roll-bier), right?

I=E2=80=99m ok with = either. =C2=A0

If we=E2=80=99re talking about a ph= ysical WG interim, then there are time frames we need to keep an eye on.=C2= =A0 Specifically, we need to make a formal announcement at least 4 weeks in= advance.

On November 8, = 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) wrote:

Hi all,


This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support from Pascal) in the month of January.
Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible.
In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome).

Peter
--
Peter= van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: co= nsultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
www: www.vanderstok.org
tel NL: +31(0)492474673 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0F: +33(0)966015248
_______________________________________________
Roll-bier-dt mailing list
Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
https://= www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt

Thanks!

A= lvaro.
--00000000000061305c057a860b24-- From nobody Tue Nov 13 00:50:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056A4130E6A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:50:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J7k5wq7thZGG for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0080.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA45E130E8B for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 00:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC006D8E; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 08:50:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 73746F6B636F6E73406262686D61696C2E6E6C X-Spam-Summary: 2, -10, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, stokcons@bbhmail.nl, :::::, RULES_HIT:41:72:152:355:379:582:599:800:877:962:967:973:983:988:989:1152:1189:1208:1212:1221:1260:1263:1313:1314:1345:1359:1431:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1535:1543:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1711:1730:1776:1792:2068:2069:2198:2199:2525:2528:2553:2557:2561:2568:2627:2682:2685:2829:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3352:3586:3622:3673:3769:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4117:4250:4321:4659:4860:5007:6117:6261:6298:6657:6659:6678:7875:7903:8603:8784:9010:9015:9025:9040:9177:9388:10004:10400:10848:11232:11657:11658:11914:12043:12050:12291:12379:12438:12555:12663:12683:12740:12895:12926:12986:13071:13139:13161:13229:13439:13846:14093:14096:14180:14181:14721:21060:21080:21433:21451:21625:21691:30041:30048:30054:30060:30090, 0, RBL:error, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, X-HE-Tag: moon17_632a8c22d44c X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 6067 Received: from mail.bbhmail.nl (imap-ext [216.40.42.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@stokcons@bbhmail.nl) by omf01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 08:50:42 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_8c3f697c3766699916ef9a12547c233a" Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:50:42 +0100 From: Peter van der Stok To: Alvaro Retana Cc: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org, consultancy@vanderstok.org Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [5.206.216.229] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 08:50:55 -0000 --=_8c3f697c3766699916ef9a12547c233a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII HI Alvaro, It is originally a DT meeting. What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER Peter Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: > Hi! > > Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, not a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? > > I'm ok with either. > > If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time frames we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. > On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) wrote: > >> Hi all, >> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support from Pascal) in the month of January. >> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. >> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter van der Stok >> vanderstok consultancy >> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl >> www: www.vanderstok.org [1] >> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 _______________________________________________ >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_8c3f697c3766699916ef9a12547c233a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 HI Alvaro,

It is originally a DT meeting.
What is the subtl= e difference between interim and dt meeting, both in the context of IETF RO= LL/ BIER

Peter

Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36:

Hi!
 
Process/terminology question:  we're talking about a DT meeting, = not a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right?
 
I'm ok with either.  
 
If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time fram= es we need to keep an eye on.  Specifically, we need to make a formal = announcement at least 4 weeks in advance.

On November 8, 2018 at 3:14= :34 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) wrote:

 

Hi all,


This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with sup= port from Pascal) in the month of January.
Please have a look at your= agenda to see when this is feasible.
In the limit we might organize = a wild weekend (with partners welcome).

Peter
--
Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: consultancy@vanderstok= =2Eorg, stokc= ons@bbhmail.nl
www: www.vanderstok.org
tel NL: +31(0)4= 92474673     F: +33(0)966015248
_______________________________________________
Roll-bier-dt mailing = list
Roll= -bier-dt@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/m= ailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt

Thanks!
 
Alvaro.
 

= _______________________________________________
Roll-bier-dt mailing = list
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See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:14:22 -0000 --000000000000003453057a883e89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl= ) wrote: > HI Alvaro, > > It is originally a DT meeting. > Ok, that=E2=80=99s what I thought. > What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both in the > context of IETF ROLL/ BIER > The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it needs to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not. The DT is free to meet whenever you want =E2=80=94 just coordinate among yo= urselves and that=E2=80=99s it. A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG is expected to know about the details and participate. The only difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person. This one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, etc.. Alvaro. > > > Peter > > Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: > > Hi! > > Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, not a WG > Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? > > I'm ok with either. > > If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time frames > we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a formal > announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. > > On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.n= l) > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support >> from Pascal) in the month of January. >> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. >> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). >> >> Peter >> -- >> Peter van der Stok >> vanderstok consultancy >> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl >> www: www.vanderstok.org >> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >> > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > --000000000000003453057a883e89 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) wrote:

HI Alvaro,

It is originally a DT meeting.

Ok, that= =E2=80=99s what I thought.

What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER

The dif= ference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it needs to be ad= vertised beyond this mailing list or not.

The DT is free to meet when= ever you want =E2=80=94 just coordinate among yourselves and that=E2=80=99s= it.

A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole= WG is expected to know =C2=A0about the details and participate.=C2=A0 The = only difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is somewhe= re else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person.=C2=A0 This one we= have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, etc..

Alva= ro.



Peter

Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36:

Hi!
=C2=A0
Process/terminology question: =C2=A0we're talking about a DT meeting, not a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right?
=C2=A0
I'm ok with either. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time frames we need to keep an eye on.=C2=A0 Specifically, we need to make a formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance.

On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) wrote:

=C2=A0

Hi all,


This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support from Pascal) in the month of January.
Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible.
In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome).

Peter
--
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www: www.vanderstok.org
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Alvaro.
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--000000000000003453057a883e89-- From nobody Tue Nov 13 01:30:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8542C128D0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:30:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.952 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zNFV9HW4AgwE for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A61A512F1A2 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31701548136; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:30:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 1F6FA440210; Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:30:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:30:18 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Alvaro Retana Cc: Peter van der Stok , consultancy@vanderstok.org, roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Message-ID: <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:30:26 -0000 I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT indicating that WG members not interested in this set of work items should not have to be present. We should still announce it to the WG and make sure attendence is open, we set up the IETF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access and share slides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have work quite well for remote participants. I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER interim in hmm... end of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the technical aspects where as described above. Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other official WG interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary. Cheers Toerless On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote: > On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > wrote: > > > HI Alvaro, > > > > It is originally a DT meeting. > > > Ok, that???s what I thought. > > > What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both in the > > context of IETF ROLL/ BIER > > > The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it needs > to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not. > > The DT is free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among yourselves > and that???s it. > > A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG is > expected to know about the details and participate. The only difference > with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is somewhere else, either > virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person. This one we have to advertise to > the whole WG, provide remote access, etc.. > > Alvaro. > > > > > > > Peter > > > > Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: > > > > Hi! > > > > Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, not a WG > > Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? > > > > I'm ok with either. > > > > If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time frames > > we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a formal > > announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. > > > > On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with support > >> from Pascal) in the month of January. > >> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. > >> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). > >> > >> Peter > >> -- > >> Peter van der Stok > >> vanderstok consultancy > >> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > >> www: www.vanderstok.org > >> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list > >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > >> > > > > Thanks! > > > > Alvaro. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Tue Nov 13 16:50:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2008C130DF5 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.11, xch-rcd-001.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-5.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:50:08 -0000 I created a doodle,=20 please indicate any day you could be there: https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62f= vyw82sk4u=20 I can have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need to g= et the date early to reserve the room while it is available. Then we'll decide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish to be = contiguous to a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski. Take care, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless > Eckert > Sent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30 > To: Alvaro Retana > Cc: Peter van der Stok ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org; > consultancy@vanderstok.org > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January >=20 > I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT indi= cating > that WG members not interested in this set of work items should not have = to > be present. >=20 > We should still announce it to the WG and make sure attendence is open, w= e > set up the IETF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access and > share slides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have w= ork > quite well for remote participants. >=20 > I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER interim in hmm... = end > of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the techni= cal > aspects where as described above. >=20 > Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other offic= ial WG > interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary. >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote: > > On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok > > (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > > wrote: > > > > > HI Alvaro, > > > > > > It is originally a DT meeting. > > > > > Ok, that???s what I thought. > > > > > What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both > > > in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER > > > > > The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it > > needs to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not. > > > > The DT is free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among > > yourselves and that???s it. > > > > A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG is > > expected to know about the details and participate. The only > > difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is > > somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person. This > > one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, etc.. > > > > Alvaro. > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, not > > > a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? > > > > > > I'm ok with either. > > > > > > If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time > > > frames we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a > > > formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. > > > > > > On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok > > > (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with > > >> support from Pascal) in the month of January. > > >> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. > > >> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome= ). > > >> > > >> Peter > > >> -- > > >> Peter van der Stok > > >> vanderstok consultancy > > >> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > > >> www: www.vanderstok.org > > >> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > >> > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Alvaro. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > > > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >=20 >=20 > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt From nobody Wed Nov 14 00:14:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0984130DD4 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:14:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EtqNFQ5iasot for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6475A12D4F0 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 00:14:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5168; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1542183286; x=1543392886; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=31gofz0GJ37lLeLJZQ02LHabih3m+QzMUL5/cXGXLxs=; b=QLiTyxPB5CaYoquJqViLRrMfGiyQYFyVpIbGDSFqNoQZ5ayfFrSgei/X I1mdiQWxOy9fiB5BD9ZUDAJAe0NBB72o/j/51rF+WvGTzBudauCp+7IzF 37O1wg0c3oKmW93ldvTfVZZtBtazev6X7ASbCVFA2FJbq95mk2wuz5zcT 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,231,1539648000"; d="scan'208";a="8033192" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 Nov 2018 08:14:44 +0000 Received: from ams-iwijnand-88112.cisco.com (ams-iwijnand-88112.cisco.com [10.60.202.93]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wAE8Eh2S001391 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:14:44 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: IJsbrand Wijnands In-Reply-To: <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 09:14:43 +0100 Cc: Toerless Eckert , Alvaro Retana , Peter van der Stok , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.202.93, ams-iwijnand-88112.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:14:50 -0000 Hi Folks, Is there already an agenda of topics and/or goals set for the interim?=20= Thx, Ice.=20 > On 14 Nov 2018, at 01:49, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > I created a doodle,=20 >=20 > please indicate any day you could be there: = https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62fvyw82sk4u=20 > I can have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need = to get the date early to reserve the room while it is available. > Then we'll decide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish = to be contiguous to a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski. > Take care, >=20 > Pascal >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of = Toerless >> Eckert >> Sent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30 >> To: Alvaro Retana >> Cc: Peter van der Stok ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org; >> consultancy@vanderstok.org >> Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January >>=20 >> I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT = indicating >> that WG members not interested in this set of work items should not = have to >> be present. >>=20 >> We should still announce it to the WG and make sure attendence is = open, we >> set up the IETF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access = and >> share slides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we = have work >> quite well for remote participants. >>=20 >> I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER interim in = hmm... end >> of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the = technical >> aspects where as described above. >>=20 >> Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other = official WG >> interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary. >>=20 >> Cheers >> Toerless >>=20 >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote: >>> On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok >>> (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> HI Alvaro, >>>>=20 >>>> It is originally a DT meeting. >>>>=20 >>> Ok, that???s what I thought. >>>=20 >>>> What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both >>>> in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER >>>>=20 >>> The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it >>> needs to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not. >>>=20 >>> The DT is free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among >>> yourselves and that???s it. >>>=20 >>> A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG = is >>> expected to know about the details and participate. The only >>> difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is >>> somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person. = This >>> one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, = etc.. >>>=20 >>> Alvaro. >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Peter >>>>=20 >>>> Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: >>>>=20 >>>> Hi! >>>>=20 >>>> Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, = not >>>> a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? >>>>=20 >>>> I'm ok with either. >>>>=20 >>>> If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time >>>> frames we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a >>>> formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. >>>>=20 >>>> On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok >>>> (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) >>>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi all, >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with >>>>> support from Pascal) in the month of January. >>>>> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. >>>>> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners = welcome). >>>>>=20 >>>>> Peter >>>>> -- >>>>> Peter van der Stok >>>>> vanderstok consultancy >>>>> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl >>>>> www: www.vanderstok.org >>>>> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >>>>> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks! >>>>=20 >>>> Alvaro. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >>>> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >>> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> --- >> tte@cs.fau.de >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt From nobody Wed Nov 21 08:12:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE60131112 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:12:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvhaWEs0XwnR for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0243.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BCBB131095 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay03.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3008368F08; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:12:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 73746F6B636F6E73406262686D61696C2E6E6C X-Spam-Summary: 2, -10, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, stokcons@bbhmail.nl, :::::::::, RULES_HIT:1:2:41:72:152:355:379:582:599:800:877:960:962:966:967:973:983:988:989:1152:1189:1208:1212:1221:1260:1263:1313:1314:1345:1359:1431:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1605:1730:1776:1792:2068:2069:2196:2198:2199:2200:2525:2528:2553:2561:2568:2633:2682:2685:2693:2829:2859:2901:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3622:3673:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4050:4250:4321:4385:4659:4860:5007:6117:6261:6298:6657:6659:6678:7514:7576:7875:7903:8603:8957:8985:9010:9015:9025:9040:9177:9388:9545:10004:10848:11232:11657:11658:11914:12043:12050:12219:12291:12379:12438:12555:12663:12664:12683:12740:12895:12986:13139:13161:13229:13435:13436:13439:13846:13997:14096:21060:21063:21080:21222:21326:21433:21451:21625:21691:21740:30041:30048:30054:30060:30063:30074:30090:30091, 0, RBL:error, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0. 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See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:12:29 -0000 --=_b743f8f2197b6f76b0d1829e794c3b5e Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi BIER addicts, Could you please response to the doodle proposed by Pascal, He needs to reserve the room in time. So, a response before the end of this week will be really appreciated. Can you indicate whether you want to make use of the weekend before or after the meeting? Many thanks, peter Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-11-14 01:49: > I created a doodle, > > please indicate any day you could be there: https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62fvyw82sk4u > I can have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need to get the date early to reserve the room while it is available. > Then we'll decide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish to be contiguous to a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski. > Take care, > > Pascal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless > Eckert > Sent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30 > To: Alvaro Retana > Cc: Peter van der Stok ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org; > consultancy@vanderstok.org > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January > > I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT indicating > that WG members not interested in this set of work items should not have to > be present. > > We should still announce it to the WG and make sure attendence is open, we > set up the IETF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access and > share slides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have work > quite well for remote participants. > > I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER interim in hmm... end > of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the technical > aspects where as described above. > > Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other official WG > interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote: On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok > (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > wrote: > > HI Alvaro, > > It is originally a DT meeting. > > Ok, that???s what I thought. > > What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both > in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER > > The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it > needs to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not. > > The DT is free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among > yourselves and that???s it. > > A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG is > expected to know about the details and participate. The only > difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is > somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person. This > one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, etc.. > > Alvaro. > > Peter > > Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: > > Hi! > > Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, not > a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? > > I'm ok with either. > > If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time > frames we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a > formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. > > On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok > (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > wrote: > > Hi all, > > This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with > support from Pascal) in the month of January. > Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. > In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). > > Peter > -- > Peter van der Stok > vanderstok consultancy > mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > www: www.vanderstok.org [1] > tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de _______________________________________________ Roll-bier-dt mailing list Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_b743f8f2197b6f76b0d1829e794c3b5e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Hi BIER addicts,

Could you please response to the doodle propose= d by Pascal,
He needs to reserve the room in time.
So, a response= before the end of this week will be really appreciated.

Can you= indicate whether you want to make use of the weekend before or after the m= eeting?

Many thanks,

peter


Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-11-14 01:49:

= I created a doodle,

please indicate any day you could be there= : https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62fvyw82sk4u
I can = have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need to get the= date early to reserve the room while it is available.
Then we'll dec= ide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish to be contiguous to = a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski.
Take care,
=
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: Roll-bier-dt &l= t;roll-= bier-dt-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Toerless
Eckert
S= ent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30
To: Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com&= gt;
Cc: Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl>; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org;
consultancy@vande= rstok.org
Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in Januar= y

I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the = BIER DT indicating
that WG members not interested in this set of work= items should not have to
be present.

We should still ann= ounce it to the WG and make sure attendence is open, we
set up the IE= TF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access and
share sl= ides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have work
= quite well for remote participants.

I only attended on in-perso= n interim, which was a BIER interim in hmm... end
of 2016 in San Jose= , and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the technical
aspects whe= re as described above.

Aka: no big different except the officia= l scope and maybe any other official WG
interim procedural aspects al= varo would remind us of as necessary.

Cheers
  =   Toerless

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, = Alvaro Retana wrote:
On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok=
(stokcons@= bbhmail.nl)
wrote:

HI Alvaro,

It is originally a DT meeting= =2E

Ok, that???s what I thought.

What is the subtle difference between interim and dt m= eeting, both
in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER

The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it
n= eeds to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not.

The DT i= s free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among
yourselves= and that???s it.

A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IE= TF, where the whole WG is
expected to know  about the details an= d participate.  The only
difference with respect to a meeting at= the IETF is that it is
somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, = etc.) or in-person.  This
one we have to advertise to the whole = WG, provide remote access, etc..

Alvaro.



Peter

Alvaro Retana schreef o= p 2018-11-13 07:36:

Hi!

Process/terminology questio= n:  we're talking about a DT meeting, not
a WG Interim (maybe fo= cused on roll-bier), right?

I'm ok with either.

If = we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time
frames= we need to keep an eye on.  Specifically, we need to make a
for= mal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance.

On November 8, 20= 18 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok
(stokcons@bbhmail.nl)
wrote:



Hi all,

This is to remind you= that an interim was proposed in Nice (with
support from Pascal) in t= he month of January.
Please have a look at your agenda to see when th= is is feasible.
In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with p= artners welcome).

Peter
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Thanks!

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See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 22:38:32 -0000 On Nov 21, 2018, at 18:00, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > The meeting room is at the office so I do not plan to access it over = the week end. > So I think Peter means enjoying the week end with whomever you want in = the French Riviera : ) Well, I wouldn=E2=80=99t mind. Spouse opted out, though (last few weeks of term leave little time even = on the weekends), so it will be just me. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > Pascal >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of = Carsten >> Bormann >> Sent: mercredi 21 novembre 2018 17:40 >> To: peter van der Stok >> Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; Toerless Eckert >> ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana >> >> Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January >>=20 >> On Nov 21, 2018, at 17:12, Peter van der Stok = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Can you indicate whether you want to make use of the weekend before = or >> after the meeting? >>=20 >> =E2=80=9CMake use=E2=80=9D =3D =E2=80=9Cvacation with spouse=E2=80=9D = or =E2=80=9Cuse the meeting room=E2=80=9D? >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Nov 26 08:29:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE397130F2D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:29:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3vtKNXLG1DfW for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com (mail-ed1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45069130F4C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id h15so16384003edb.4 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:29:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ak/mBLpmstpOOM77t5tCwC2nihJzHT1QZtNbB+qx2UQ=; b=koDkkFxaERd0cnrHNNpdN0FyWjNiXc34oL8+HieL/JHEQQGB5/2o6U0SnitIRl6ucX x8JxrBJyPPNbgVHziVHqQ7+W0EFH1Hb9H0Xoemi+Q6xnF+EjzGmcwDAsNxtn7lT/oGVD ypqce7/mxX+4y28vHKnwjALRHn9yezFp0fIwdGxdJCRcto4WoGJf/k43bm4RzEopFx/B 1IaKIu3tdptSdkngcSSf3kg+fLkHDthERaBW3qRjq92d63IXOUnziTSyR8fNuY322HW1 a3Mnc0s70c83ARnSNWXHn97flU+6lMDsIstXb1BY8Sp6HZsEQWIpsOF4SofBoLwbcV67 jyvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ak/mBLpmstpOOM77t5tCwC2nihJzHT1QZtNbB+qx2UQ=; b=jE/RHkh1eJa9nBBbiiulVULZ9bErbSRozcNUAF1Sdr9xughhe94fzyVHhQfYw8v9+U TsMqU9/kyO/XRJP/bjdGna1Bxn/RVu/1ld6Ftp/pzen+cOCAfUmQQkS9aFodrEiYDjW6 0IvI+ts17ZfOfhBf8AHYp/psTIGG/jLWpVdwwJPFTpVgFWKo3qhEeSU5CRJPYgrj0bF4 f9yS36N5c96ymoH27QF8arlLefEyXbp+1ttIqK1ooSHQDADQHUaRQmazZfoTsvV3YeKT xDJG/J34BS7Wf8UYtBXwbgCzIprwDF7VPh9zKre1l0/pewz1E39VqMrGOZE8a219xruu t0PA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZkYD1gnJeAC1Hsqeep9ew4NcE4z5Rh83uT/EYViwRqjnxCmJtL uRX1NrnnP0PwvgpUhxrsKM8D5Oacd6XVOnWqNV0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UTzPehHBD6qlJSA69R5gwTGDwH98bWMixTsar8XfX3U/9WyltNBpKHu9ho17l7AUOLRDjVFbd5PCPL8wPNp3E= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:796:: with SMTP id d22mr24261732edy.81.1543249761636; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:29:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Tony Przygienda Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:28:45 -0800 Message-ID: To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Toerless Eckert , roll-bier-dt@ietf.org, Alvaro Retana Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d79840057b93d58b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:29:26 -0000 --000000000000d79840057b93d58b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" looked @ my ageand, I won't be able to be there, will probably dial in --- tony On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 8:12 AM Peter van der Stok wrote: > Hi BIER addicts, > > Could you please response to the doodle proposed by Pascal, > He needs to reserve the room in time. > So, a response before the end of this week will be really appreciated. > > Can you indicate whether you want to make use of the weekend before or > after the meeting? > > Many thanks, > > peter > > > Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-11-14 01:49: > > I created a doodle, > > please indicate any day you could be there: > https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62fvyw82sk4u > I can have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need to > get the date early to reserve the room while it is available. > Then we'll decide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish to be > contiguous to a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski. > Take care, > > Pascal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless > Eckert > Sent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30 > To: Alvaro Retana > Cc: Peter van der Stok ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org; > consultancy@vanderstok.org > Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January > > I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT > indicating > that WG members not interested in this set of work items should not have to > be present. > > We should still announce it to the WG and make sure attendence is open, we > set up the IETF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access and > share slides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have > work > quite well for remote participants. > > I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER interim in hmm... > end > of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the > technical > aspects where as described above. > > Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other > official WG > interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote: > > On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok > (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > wrote: > > HI Alvaro, > > It is originally a DT meeting. > > Ok, that???s what I thought. > > What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both > in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER > > The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it > needs to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not. > > The DT is free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among > yourselves and that???s it. > > A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG is > expected to know about the details and participate. The only > difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is > somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person. This > one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, etc.. > > Alvaro. > > > > Peter > > Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: > > Hi! > > Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, not > a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? > > I'm ok with either. > > If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time > frames we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a > formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. > > On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok > (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with > support from Pascal) in the month of January. > Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. > In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). > > Peter > -- > Peter van der Stok > vanderstok consultancy > mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > www: www.vanderstok.org > tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > --000000000000d79840057b93d58b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
looked @ my ageand, I won't be able to be there, = will probably dial in

--- tony

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 8= :12 AM Peter van der Stok <stokco= ns@bbhmail.nl> wrote:
Hi BIER addicts,

Could you please response to the doodle proposed by= Pascal,
He needs to reserve the room in time.
So, a response before = the end of this week will be really appreciated.

Can you indicate wh= ether you want to make use of the weekend before or after the meeting?
<= br>Many thanks,

peter


Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-11-14 01:49:

I created a doodle,

please indicate any day you c= ould be there: https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62fvyw82sk4u =
I can have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need= to get the date early to reserve the room while it is available.
Then = we'll decide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish to be c= ontiguous to a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski.
Take = care,

Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: Roll-bier-dt <roll-bier-dt-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Toerless
Ecker= t
Sent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30
To: Alvaro Retana <are= tana.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmai= l.nl>; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org;
consultancy@vanderst= ok.org
Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January
=
I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT i= ndicating
that WG members not interested in this set of work items shou= ld not have to
be present.

We should still announce it to the W= G and make sure attendence is open, we
set up the IETF ROLL webex durin= g the interim to enable remote access and
share slides on it during the= meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have work
quite well for remote p= articipants.

I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER= interim in hmm... end
of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, b= ut i think all the technical
aspects where as described above.

= Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other officia= l WG
interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary.=

Cheers
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Toerless

On Tue, Nov 13= , 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote:
On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok
= (stokcons@bbhmail.nl)
wrote:

HI Alvaro,

It is originally a DT meeting.

Ok, that???s what I thought.

What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meetin= g, both
in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER

The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it
nee= ds to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not.

The DT is free= to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among
yourselves and tha= t???s it.

A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where th= e whole WG is
expected to know =C2=A0about the details and participate.= =C2=A0 The only
difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is tha= t it is
somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person= .=C2=A0 This
one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote a= ccess, etc..

Alvaro.



Peter

Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 = 07:36:

Hi!

Process/terminology question: =C2=A0we're ta= lking about a DT meeting, not
a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier)= , right?

I'm ok with either.

If we're talking about= a physical WG interim, then there are time
frames we need to keep an e= ye on.=C2=A0 Specifically, we need to make a
formal announcement at lea= st 4 weeks in advance.

On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van= der Stok
(stokcons@bbhmail.nl)
wrote:



Hi all,

This is to remind you that an inte= rim was proposed in Nice (with
support from Pascal) in the month of Jan= uary.
Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome).
Peter
--
Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
m= ailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
= www: www.vanderstok.org
tel NL: +31(0)492474673 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0F: +33(0)966015248
______________________________________________= _
Roll-bier-dt mailing list
Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt

Thanks!

Alvaro.


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Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org=
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--000000000000d79840057b93d58b-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 08:00:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E35A130FA0 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:00:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E4-EZ_eSjWoP for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A116E130F63 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A99F548058 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:00:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 49487440210; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:00:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:00:13 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Message-ID: <20181128160013.2tkqrzzowomp6r2y@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] roll-bier-dt weekly meeting now X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:00:21 -0000 Reminder. According to webbed, call starts at the top of the hour When: 8:00 AM - 9:00 AM PST November 28, 2018 Subject: ROLL BIER design team weekly Location: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m2d72984f919bb773e1c158b97a7b1c34 Ether pad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/roll-bier Wiki: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt ROLL BIER design team weekly Every Wednesday, from Wednesday, October 10, 2018, to no end date 4:00 pm | Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT) | 1 hr Meeting number (access code): 642 847 847 Meeting password: bier Set up meeting for time being weekly, we’ll have to check how this works through the DST changes US/Europe anyhow. Both Webex and Outlook should have been set up with UTC, so local times will change US/EU! 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From nobody Wed Nov 28 08:03:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C126130DCD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vN7wkOE1vZQE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 285CD129385 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id BEAD1E3D3147E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:02:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:02:57 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.33]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.160]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 08:02:51 -0800 From: Toerless Eckert To: "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" CC: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Thread-Topic: ROLL BIER design team weekly Thread-Index: AdSHM9B8PbXqaYbmSVGi7oHWBRwdXw== Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:02:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1F435D673AAAFA4CB4263AFE703E4F2502AE7A73@SJCEML521-MBB.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.247.239] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1F435D673AAAFA4CB4263AFE703E4F2502AE7A73SJCEML521MBBchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Roll-bier-dt] ROLL BIER design team weekly X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. 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When: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 8:00 AM-9:00 AM. (UTC-08:00) Pacifi=
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Where: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm2d72984f919bb773e1c158b97a=
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Ether pad: = ;https://eth= erpad.tools.ietf.org/p/roll-bier

Wiki: ht= tps://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt


ROLL BIER design team weekly

Every Wednesday= , from Wednesday, October 10, 2018, to no end date

4:00 pm  |=   Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT)  |  1 hr

Meeting number = (access code): 642 847 847 

Meeting passwor= d: bier


Set up m= eeting for time being weekly, we=A1=AFll have to check how this works throu= gh 

the DST changes US/Europe anyhow. Both Webex and Outlook should have been s= et up

with UTC, so local times will change US/EU!


[ Call is now configured so that anyone who has an account on ietf.webex.co= m can start

  the meeting. Aka: anyone who is WG chair and has requested WG chair = webex account from IETF.

  This should make it easier to start the call in case one of us is mi= ssing given how

  many in the DT are WG chairs. Alas, it does not seem to be possible = in webex to start

  call without any host.]



Add to Calendar=

https://ietf.we= bex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dma37a240fb17736da4d69f0bb5e276b42


When it's time,= join the meeting.

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JOIN BY IPHONE = ONE-TAP 

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JOIN BY PHONE

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Can't join the = meeting?

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<4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:25:22 -0000 Ice Excellent question. I think the answer right now is no, but maybe here is how we could proceed: a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104. Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documents specifying the solution. I could take a stab at that, but maybe good parts of this should come fro pascals document, e.g.: splitting up the informational parts from the normative parts and extending on the informational ones .. ? And then fesible next steps for the drafts specifying the solution. Right now the primary documents existing are the one from pascal and carsten, so i would like their input for how they could see those documents evolve until 104. Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it should entail. b) Any form of meetings - webex or in-person until IETF104 to achieve a) would be fine. If the authors of the docs in a) for example think they can get the work done better meeting in person, then let's do that. From the doodle we also know who has time when. c) Ines was suggesting to consider taking the friday @IETF104 to continue this work in case the friday will be handled again as it was @IETF103 - but we both did not know if that is the plan. Does anyone know ? Cheers Toerless On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 09:14:43AM +0100, IJsbrand Wijnands wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Is there already an agenda of topics and/or goals set for the interim? > > Thx, > > Ice. > > > On 14 Nov 2018, at 01:49, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > I created a doodle, > > > > please indicate any day you could be there: https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62fvyw82sk4u > > I can have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need to get the date early to reserve the room while it is available. > > Then we'll decide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish to be contiguous to a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski. > > Take care, > > > > Pascal > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Roll-bier-dt On Behalf Of Toerless > >> Eckert > >> Sent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30 > >> To: Alvaro Retana > >> Cc: Peter van der Stok ; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org; > >> consultancy@vanderstok.org > >> Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January > >> > >> I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT indicating > >> that WG members not interested in this set of work items should not have to > >> be present. > >> > >> We should still announce it to the WG and make sure attendence is open, we > >> set up the IETF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access and > >> share slides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have work > >> quite well for remote participants. > >> > >> I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER interim in hmm... end > >> of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the technical > >> aspects where as described above. > >> > >> Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other official WG > >> interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary. > >> > >> Cheers > >> Toerless > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote: > >>> On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok > >>> (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> HI Alvaro, > >>>> > >>>> It is originally a DT meeting. > >>>> > >>> Ok, that???s what I thought. > >>> > >>>> What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both > >>>> in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER > >>>> > >>> The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it > >>> needs to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not. > >>> > >>> The DT is free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among > >>> yourselves and that???s it. > >>> > >>> A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG is > >>> expected to know about the details and participate. The only > >>> difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is > >>> somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person. This > >>> one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, etc.. > >>> > >>> Alvaro. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Peter > >>>> > >>>> Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36: > >>>> > >>>> Hi! > >>>> > >>>> Process/terminology question: we're talking about a DT meeting, not > >>>> a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right? > >>>> > >>>> I'm ok with either. > >>>> > >>>> If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time > >>>> frames we need to keep an eye on. Specifically, we need to make a > >>>> formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance. > >>>> > >>>> On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok > >>>> (stokcons@bbhmail.nl) > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with > >>>>> support from Pascal) in the month of January. > >>>>> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible. > >>>>> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome). > >>>>> > >>>>> Peter > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Peter van der Stok > >>>>> vanderstok consultancy > >>>>> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > >>>>> www: www.vanderstok.org > >>>>> tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Roll-bier-dt mailing list > >>>>> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> > >>>> Alvaro. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Roll-bier-dt mailing list > >>>> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Roll-bier-dt mailing list > >>> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > >> > >> > >> -- > >> --- > >> tte@cs.fau.de > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Roll-bier-dt mailing list > >> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Nov 28 11:53:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED20E131036 for ; 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Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:53:50 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> X-Mailer: Airmail (528) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 11:53:50 -0800 Message-ID: To: IJsbrand Wijnands , Toerless Eckert Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" , Peter van der Stok Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d82a55057bbeec10" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 19:53:57 -0000 --000000000000d82a55057bbeec10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: c) Ines was suggesting to consider taking the friday @IETF104 to continue this work in case the friday will be handled again as it was @IETF103 - but we both did not know if that is the plan. Does anyone know ? I do. ;-) No, we won=E2=80=99t do the same thing. We will have a "full day" of sessi= ons on Friday =E2=80=94 probably ending between 1-4pm. The IESG is considering experimenting with unstructured time on a different day of the week. Alvaro. --000000000000d82a55057bbeec10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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= --000000000000d82a55057bbeec10-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 12:00:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34559131059 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:00:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.737 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.737 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Udd1W9tT64Ih for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x235.google.com (mail-oi1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C34D130FE4 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x235.google.com with SMTP id v6so23716228oif.2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:00:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=sIu6wAUvGQ76zyZ/HOCnF/RIBefqFfRKWhlvtB4sGAg=; b=LOkvHLEawhex1yrmsUGqf+24T4TmtGt6Vmf/iqH3xvqjz6kLhEXP/k5b6aphJ46YlY chjILyd6cBvRizLCV/D2SaDgCTCY9jEEdky5JnwDbLB/zn7XW1NGERRVVPKR9RIunWVI lvyrI/gkOmr+HLRdanNq6sZ5chMcZC/T6c43a8gkUtLK2NmUqgfe5UBhSsz28+PEmVTP n+zzHhVPjFyEW7uLvnrdWMYNpVjYmQn71h5WFBAkMjVTRRk/tBDOmJ/zMhYp37YzrUcI sX/fvQccr/FcKdDhb8lyl7e8WdIDhlh49azb3EV8uOHlSuR3wyblKityUg3z93GV1M9q oO3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sIu6wAUvGQ76zyZ/HOCnF/RIBefqFfRKWhlvtB4sGAg=; b=MFSLjeZtnd+h1DtRV+Cgb47pTR3XQgP5cktk8JNYaO6wiVXRdnVfuWGNyholYufXZv /mcF67aqFym+oVzA6ccH99dvM0Nq2AKarNA1fhUoz2Qw6jkP/vtoKYUnEUvCHOPyiArM 66dMNQGmpMx7Ms+lhPQ1K+Rgpfk24j2UlHzYcRHXGQKxU8GVbQYprQ7/MisDmsx7U7KQ O+Wq1d/OvTPgB+TERdUzV9CTnCyxk0VZ2tlUPR/s9wDLGn6793wcjFB3C44viJAlWMUj qltQF5s5qr5VntC6lG7/tdz+clTHumnvo+UMhACUTF4YQmcVdBDN//bRdI8wXuGhHq3a ddtA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWagoEtfiPvNzezmYQMxxtIAJoVBT/uQms2pCpKFxzKK0rJ1uZsI kLFOxYUBytPaQC5XE2Tg2pwMrLvx2REqVWH+g2taXw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XjcTxFixVEd5XcwfGTUXbMDbBOikDFHkkfCQ3xV+6xYv3NxH32t7ZHZy0zBFgIk38nFOGcgYu/tYf5sDCr+BE= X-Received: by 2002:a54:4698:: with SMTP id k24mr6338185oic.37.1543435211496; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:00:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:00:10 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> X-Mailer: Airmail (528) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:00:10 -0800 Message-ID: To: "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Toerless Eckert , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , IJsbrand Wijnands , Peter van der Stok Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000083e2e4057bbf0311" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:00:22 -0000 --00000000000083e2e4057bbf0311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a high-level comment/question=E2=80=A6. Off topic... I=E2=80=99m hoping that "to set the stage for the set of required followup documents specifying the solution=E2=80=9D means that the informational doc= ument(s) will most likely serve their purpose as inspiration for the solution only=E2=80=A6and not be published as RFCs. Is that the intent? Or is the = intent to publish that as requirements, framework, or whatever-else RFCs=E2=80=A6a= nd *later* work on solutions? I realize that without knowing the specific content of those document it may be hard to provide a definite answer=E2=80=A6so I=E2=80=99m just lookin= g for intent at this point. Thanks! Alvaro. On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104. Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documents specifying the solution. I could take a stab at that, but maybe good parts of this should come fro pascals document, e.g.: splitting up the informational parts from the normative parts and extending on the informational ones .. ? And then fesible next steps for the drafts specifying the solution. Right now the primary documents existing are the one from pascal and carsten, so i would like their input for how they could see those documents evolve until 104. Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it should entail. --00000000000083e2e4057bbf0311 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Just a high-level comment/quest= ion=E2=80=A6. Off topic...

I=E2=80=99m hopin= g that "to set the stage for the set of required followup documents sp= ecifying the solution=E2=80=9D means that the informational document(s) wil= l most likely serve their purpose as inspiration for the solution only=E2= =80=A6and not be published as RFCs.=C2=A0 Is that the intent?=C2=A0 Or is t= he intent to publish that as requirements, framework, or whatever-else RFCs= =E2=80=A6and *later* work on solutions?

I real= ize that without knowing the specific content of those document it may be h= ard to provide a definite answer=E2=80=A6so I=E2=80=99m just looking for in= tent at this point.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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--00000000000083e2e4057bbf0311-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 12:02:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EBA130FF2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:02:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6nmQP_eUW8qR for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B98C130FF6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21CB54802D; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:02:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id C789F440210; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:02:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:02:26 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Alvaro Retana Cc: IJsbrand Wijnands , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" , Peter van der Stok Message-ID: <20181128200226.ypvhuylubs5pczrg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 20:02:50 -0000 Thanks Alvaro So we can tentatively consider to have additional time beyond the WG for work on roll-bier-dt during IETF week, just not on the friday. Makes sense. Cheers Toerless On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:53:50AM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote: > On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: > > c) Ines was suggesting to consider taking the friday > @IETF104 to > continue this work in case the friday 12:00:00 EST> will be handled again as it was > @IETF103 - but we both did not know if that is the plan. Does anyone > know ? > > > I do. ;-) > > No, we won???t do the same thing. We will have a "full day" of sessions on > Friday ??? probably ending between 1-4pm. > > The IESG is considering experimenting with unstructured time on a different > day of the week. > > Alvaro. -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Nov 28 13:39:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97464131045 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:39:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JtfjkEwFAgoX for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A3B413104A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88617548740; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:39:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 79562440210; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:39:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:39:27 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Alvaro Retana Cc: "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" , Peter van der Stok , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , IJsbrand Wijnands , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" Message-ID: <20181128213927.cjtiz5hifj2qkcjp@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:39:39 -0000 sorry i this is a rant, but your email reads a bit like pushing one of my buttons where i am somewhat sensitive. In anima i had to live through the ADs asking just to have specs to implement, only that later on in WG and IESG review more and more questiosn where asked for the sepcs to become more explanational by reviewers because they didn't understand thre functionality just from the specification part and so we ended up with humunguous spec drafts because we where asked not to publish arch documents. I don't think we need to sequentialize explaining the framework and working on the specification of its components. Ideally, we can start with just enough of an outline of a framework so that we can agree on the resulting component specifications and start those quickly.Wwe continue to add explanations to the component framework doc while we are working on the specs, therefore allowing to keep the specs crisp but also have a vehicle to deliver better explanations. To also give my classic reference: I would have never understood RFC2362 and its revisions of the followind decades if there wouldn't have been draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch, and i think its a big failure of the IETF to not have published that as an RFC. But then again, i was back then not in the role of the three author/implementers of the PIM-SM spec, but in the role of an operator of PIM-SM. Cheers Toerless On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:00:10PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote: > Just a high-level comment/question???. Off topic... > > I???m hoping that "to set the stage for the set of required followup > documents specifying the solution??? means that the informational document(s) > will most likely serve their purpose as inspiration for the solution > only???and not be published as RFCs. Is that the intent? Or is the intent > to publish that as requirements, framework, or whatever-else RFCs???and > *later* work on solutions? > > I realize that without knowing the specific content of those document it > may be hard to provide a definite answer???so I???m just looking for intent at > this point. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > > On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: > > a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for > roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104. > > Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview > draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked > out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. 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See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:49:53 -0000 --0000000000009862dd057bc08b28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Toerless: I am not a fan of publishing stand-alone framework/requirements/use cases. But as I said before, without knowing the specific contents of the documents it is not easy to provide a one-size-fits-all answer. I=E2=80=99m asking early so we don=E2=80=99t end up in the situation you me= ntion below and we are in sync. There are many ways to go about documenting the support material=E2=80=A6not all of them end up as RFCs=E2=80=A6but also we don=E2= =80=99t need to end up in not publishing something that is needed/important/valuable. Let=E2=80=99s just keep that in mind going forward=E2=80=A6 Thanks! Alvaro. On November 28, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: sorry i this is a rant, but your email reads a bit like pushing one of my buttons where i am somewhat sensitive. In anima i had to live through the ADs asking just to have specs to implement, only that later on in WG and IESG review more and more questiosn where asked for the sepcs to become more explanational by reviewers because they didn't understand thre functionality just from the specification part and so we ended up with humunguous spec drafts because we where asked not to publish arch documents. I don't think we need to sequentialize explaining the framework and working on the specification of its components. Ideally, we can start with just enough of an outline of a framework so that we can agree on the resulting component specifications and start those quickly.Wwe continue to add explanations to the component framework doc while we are working on the specs, therefore allowing to keep the specs crisp but also have a vehicle to deliver better explanations. To also give my classic reference: I would have never understood RFC2362 and its revisions of the followind decades if there wouldn't have been draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch, and i think its a big failure of the IETF to not have published that as an RFC. But then again, i was back then not in the role of the three author/implementers of the PIM-SM spec, but in the role of an operator of PIM-SM. Cheers Toerless On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:00:10PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote: > Just a high-level comment/question???. Off topic... > > I???m hoping that "to set the stage for the set of required followup > documents specifying the solution??? means that the informational document(s) > will most likely serve their purpose as inspiration for the solution > only???and not be published as RFCs. Is that the intent? Or is the intent > to publish that as requirements, framework, or whatever-else RFCs???and > *later* work on solutions? > > I realize that without knowing the specific content of those document it > may be hard to provide a definite answer???so I???m just looking for intent at > this point. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > > On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: > > a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for > roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104. > > Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview > draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked > out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal > would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documents > specifying the solution. > > I could take a stab at that, but maybe good parts of this should come > fro pascals document, e.g.: splitting up the informational parts from > the normative parts and extending on the informational ones .. ? > > And then fesible next steps for the drafts specifying the solution. > Right now the primary documents existing are the one from pascal > and carsten, so i would like their input for how they could see > those documents evolve until 104. > > Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it should > entail. > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt --=20 --- tte@cs.fau.de --0000000000009862dd057bc08b28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Toerless:

I am not a fan of publishing stand-alone framework/= requirements/use cases.=C2=A0 But as I said before, without knowing the spe= cific contents of the documents it is not easy to provide a one-size-fits-a= ll answer.

I=E2=80=99m asking early so we don=E2=80=99t end up in= the situation you mention below and we are in sync.=C2=A0 There are many w= ays to go about documenting the support material=E2=80=A6not all of them en= d up as RFCs=E2=80=A6but also we don=E2=80=99t need to end up in not publis= hing something that is needed/important/valuable.

Let=E2=80=99s j= ust keep that in mind going forward=E2=80=A6

Thanks!

Al= varo.

On November 28, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM,= Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote= :

sorry i this is a rant, but your email reads a bit
like pushing one of my buttons where i am somewhat sensitive.

In anima i had to live through the ADs asking just to have specs
to implement, only that later on in WG and IESG review more
and more questiosn where asked for the sepcs to become more
explanational by reviewers because they didn't understand thre
functionality just from the specification part and so we ended
up with humunguous spec drafts because we where asked not to
publish arch documents.

I don't think we need to sequentialize explaining the framework
and working on the specification of its components. Ideally,
we can start with just enough of an outline of a framework so
that we can agree on the resulting component specifications and
start those quickly.Wwe continue to add explanations to the component
framework doc while we are working on the specs, therefore allowing
to keep the specs crisp but also have a vehicle to deliver better
explanations.

To also give my classic reference: I would have never understood
RFC2362 and its revisions of the followind decades if there wouldn'= t
have been draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch, and i think its a big failure of
the IETF to not have published that as an RFC. But then again, i
was back then not in the role of the three author/implementers of
the PIM-SM spec, but in the role of an operator of PIM-SM.

Cheers
Toerless

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:00:10PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote:
> Just a high-level comment/question???. Off topic...
> =20
> I???m hoping that "to set the stage for the set of required f= ollowup
> documents specifying the solution??? means that the informational = document(s)
> will most likely serve their purpose as inspiration for the soluti= on
> only???and not be published as RFCs. Is that the intent? Or is t= he intent
> to publish that as requirements, framework, or whatever-else RFCs?= ??and
> *later* work on solutions?
> =20
> I realize that without knowing the specific content of those docum= ent it
> may be hard to provide a definite answer???so I???m just looking f= or intent at
> this point.
> =20
> Thanks!
> =20
> Alvaro.
> =20
> =20
> On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote:
> =20
> a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for
> roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104.
> =20
> Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview
> draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked
> out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal
> would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documen= ts
> specifying the solution.
> =20
> I could take a stab at that, but maybe good parts of this should c= ome
> fro pascals document, e.g.: splitting up the informational parts f= rom
> the normative parts and extending on the informational ones .. ?
> =20
> And then fesible next steps for the drafts specifying the solution= .
> Right now the primary documents existing are the one from pascal
> and carsten, so i would like their input for how they could see
> those documents evolve until 104.
> =20
> Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it shou= ld
> entail.

> _______________________________________________
> Roll-bier-dt mailing list
> Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
> htt= ps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt


-- =20
---
tte@cs.fau.de
--0000000000009862dd057bc08b28-- From nobody Wed Nov 28 13:55:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBC213104D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:55:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o16QsxfcTR4g for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AAAE130F8E for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D8754810F; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:54:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id EDB13440210; Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:54:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 22:54:54 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Alvaro Retana Cc: IJsbrand Wijnands , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "consultancy@vanderstok.org" , "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" , Peter van der Stok Message-ID: <20181128215454.6e7armzhym7o6iji@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20181128213927.cjtiz5hifj2qkcjp@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:55:02 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 01:49:48PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote: > Toerless: > > I am not a fan of publishing stand-alone framework/requirements/use cases. I hope my explanation made it clear that this should not be the goal. If you think that how i outlined it makes sense, let me know, or how you think it should be changed. Overall i just think there is limited interest to work on things not getting published as RFCs. > But as I said before, without knowing the specific contents of the > documents it is not easy to provide a one-size-fits-all answer. I think what we need should be similar to what we have in some of the explanations in Pascals document and the IETF103 slides i did. > I???m asking early so we don???t end up in the situation you mention below and > we are in sync. There are many ways to go about documenting the support > material???not all of them end up as RFCs???but also we don???t need to end up in > not publishing something that is needed/important/valuable. See above. I would like not do do throwaway work, and you let me know if you think if drafts not becoming RFC are throwaway. If you don't think they are, then please tell me who still knows draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch > Let???s just keep that in mind going forward??? Sure Cheers Toerless > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > On November 28, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: > > sorry i this is a rant, but your email reads a bit > like pushing one of my buttons where i am somewhat sensitive. > > In anima i had to live through the ADs asking just to have specs > to implement, only that later on in WG and IESG review more > and more questiosn where asked for the sepcs to become more > explanational by reviewers because they didn't understand thre > functionality just from the specification part and so we ended > up with humunguous spec drafts because we where asked not to > publish arch documents. > > I don't think we need to sequentialize explaining the framework > and working on the specification of its components. Ideally, > we can start with just enough of an outline of a framework so > that we can agree on the resulting component specifications and > start those quickly.Wwe continue to add explanations to the component > framework doc while we are working on the specs, therefore allowing > to keep the specs crisp but also have a vehicle to deliver better > explanations. > > To also give my classic reference: I would have never understood > RFC2362 and its revisions of the followind decades if there wouldn't > have been draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch, and i think its a big failure of > the IETF to not have published that as an RFC. But then again, i > was back then not in the role of the three author/implementers of > the PIM-SM spec, but in the role of an operator of PIM-SM. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:00:10PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote: > > Just a high-level comment/question???. Off topic... > > > > I???m hoping that "to set the stage for the set of required followup > > documents specifying the solution??? means that the informational > document(s) > > will most likely serve their purpose as inspiration for the solution > > only???and not be published as RFCs. Is that the intent? Or is the intent > > to publish that as requirements, framework, or whatever-else RFCs???and > > *later* work on solutions? > > > > I realize that without knowing the specific content of those document it > > may be hard to provide a definite answer???so I???m just looking for > intent at > > this point. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Alvaro. > > > > > > On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) > wrote: > > > > a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for > > roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104. > > > > Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview > > draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked > > out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal > > would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documents > > specifying the solution. > > > > I could take a stab at that, but maybe good parts of this should come > > fro pascals document, e.g.: splitting up the informational parts from > > the normative parts and extending on the informational ones .. ? > > > > And then fesible next steps for the drafts specifying the solution. > > Right now the primary documents existing are the one from pascal > > and carsten, so i would like their input for how they could see > > those documents evolve until 104. > > > > Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it should > > entail. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Nov 28 23:28:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll-bier-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92A1130DC9 for ; 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X-HE-Tag: wrist90_1b0c0b3f3e416 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 18515 Received: from mail.bbhmail.nl (imap-ext [216.40.42.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@stokcons@bbhmail.nl) by omf20.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:19:45 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_7155510fed3000d49117a034ee4051be" Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 10:19:45 +0100 From: Peter van der Stok To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: Toerless Eckert , Alvaro Retana , IJsbrand Wijnands , consultancy@vanderstok.org, roll-bier-dt@ietf.org Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <13D9596A-6087-475E-BD73-E0DFF5BB5435@cisco.com> References: <012c8d11cfcfcddb9f49bc74ed9dad0b@bbhmail.nl> <20181113093018.t7ucy5lgk7h62orq@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4eab6824d2ad45cc829794cab687f6cc@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <34EF1690-6B32-4844-969A-A8C87FB0A9CF@cisco.com> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20181128162515.jge5c6gnozfuwsdg@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20181128213927.cjtiz5hifj2qkcjp@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> , <20181128215454.6e7armzhym7o6iji@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <13D9596A-6087-475E-BD73-E0DFF5BB5435@cisco.com> Message-ID: <0d8fccc2a5d8a4e5bb029e6b69d1db0f@bbhmail.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [5.206.216.229] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January X-BeenThere: roll-bier-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "ROLL WG Design Team for bitstring addressing. See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/roll/wiki/roll-bier-dt" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:19:51 -0000 --=_7155510fed3000d49117a034ee4051be Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, My very practical 2 cents. Reading the solutions and the requirements space as outlined by Pascal, Carsten and Toerless, I don't think that just giving a spec of the final chosen solution will suffice. Having written that , I have no clue about the size of the needed explanations. So, I would consider that an architecture document is necessary at this stage as a WG document. How this document ends up in appendices or merits a STD RFC will become clear during the evolution of the design (size of the text). Peter Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-11-29 08:28: > I'm with Toerless here > > I think the IETF benefits a lot from architecture documents. We are publishing the DetNet one and last calling the 6TiSCH one at this very moment while going through the pains of missing one at LPWAN. Note that both will be published as std track. > > The value of publishing those is many fold: > > - provides a std track reference for the WG std documents allowing them to concentrate on their protocol as opposed to spending efforts on the bigger picture. > > - provides an entry point to the WG context for new comets and external bodies. E.g., IEC needs to refer DetNet in general before digging in specific methods to be inherited from RFC blah > > - position the RFCs from this WG vs other WGs and possibly SDOs such as IEEE. In this efforts some major bugs, overlap or gaps can be isolated and solved. > > Note the this discussion does not concern problem statement and requirements drafts. For those there can be other ways. In RFC 8505 I just inserted the rewards draft text in appendix. > > All the best, > > Pascal > > Le 28 nov. 2018 à 22:55, Toerless Eckert a écrit : > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 01:49:48PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote: > Toerless: > > I am not a fan of publishing stand-alone framework/requirements/use cases. > I hope my explanation made it clear that this should not be the goal. > If you think that how i outlined it makes sense, let me know, or how > you think it should be changed. Overall i just think there is limited > interest to work on things not getting published as RFCs. > > But as I said before, without knowing the specific contents of the > documents it is not easy to provide a one-size-fits-all answer. > I think what we need should be similar to what we have in some of the > explanations in Pascals document and the IETF103 slides i did. > > I???m asking early so we don???t end up in the situation you mention below and > we are in sync. There are many ways to go about documenting the support > material???not all of them end up as RFCs???but also we don???t need to end up in > not publishing something that is needed/important/valuable. > See above. I would like not do do throwaway work, and you let me know > if you think if drafts not becoming RFC are throwaway. If you don't > think they are, then please tell me who still knows > draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch > > Let???s just keep that in mind going forward??? > Sure > > Cheers > Toerless > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > On November 28, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: > > sorry i this is a rant, but your email reads a bit > like pushing one of my buttons where i am somewhat sensitive. > > In anima i had to live through the ADs asking just to have specs > to implement, only that later on in WG and IESG review more > and more questiosn where asked for the sepcs to become more > explanational by reviewers because they didn't understand thre > functionality just from the specification part and so we ended > up with humunguous spec drafts because we where asked not to > publish arch documents. > > I don't think we need to sequentialize explaining the framework > and working on the specification of its components. Ideally, > we can start with just enough of an outline of a framework so > that we can agree on the resulting component specifications and > start those quickly.Wwe continue to add explanations to the component > framework doc while we are working on the specs, therefore allowing > to keep the specs crisp but also have a vehicle to deliver better > explanations. > > To also give my classic reference: I would have never understood > RFC2362 and its revisions of the followind decades if there wouldn't > have been draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch, and i think its a big failure of > the IETF to not have published that as an RFC. But then again, i > was back then not in the role of the three author/implementers of > the PIM-SM spec, but in the role of an operator of PIM-SM. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:00:10PM -0800, Alvaro Retana wrote: > Just a high-level comment/question???. Off topic... > > I???m hoping that "to set the stage for the set of required followup > documents specifying the solution??? means that the informational document(s) will most likely serve their purpose as inspiration for the solution > only???and not be published as RFCs. Is that the intent? Or is the intent > to publish that as requirements, framework, or whatever-else RFCs???and > *later* work on solutions? > > I realize that without knowing the specific content of those document it > may be hard to provide a definite answer???so I???m just looking for intent at this point. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote: > a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for > roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104. > > Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview > draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked > out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal > would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documents > specifying the solution. > > I could take a stab at that, but maybe good parts of this should come > fro pascals document, e.g.: splitting up the informational parts from > the normative parts and extending on the informational ones .. ? > > And then fesible next steps for the drafts specifying the solution. > Right now the primary documents existing are the one from pascal > and carsten, so i would like their input for how they could see > those documents evolve until 104. > > Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it should > entail. > _______________________________________________ > Roll-bier-dt mailing list > Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll-bier-dt > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de -- --- tte@cs.fau.de --=_7155510fed3000d49117a034ee4051be Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Hi all,

My very practical 2 cents.

Reading the soluti= ons and the requirements space as outlined by Pascal, Carsten and Toerless,= I don't think
that just giving a spec of the final chosen solution wi= ll suffice.

Having written that , I have no clue about the size = of the needed explanations.

So, I would consider that an archite= cture document is necessary at this stage as a WG document.
How this d= ocument ends up in appendices or merits a STD RFC will become clear during = the evolution of the design (size of the text).

Peter

Pascal Thubert (pthubert) schreef op 2018-11-29 08:28:

= I'm with Toerless here

I think the IETF benefits a lot from arc= hitecture documents. We are publishing the DetNet one and last calling the = 6TiSCH one at this very moment while going through the pains of missing one= at LPWAN. Note that both will be published as std track.

The v= alue of publishing those is many fold:

- provides a std track r= eference for the WG std documents allowing them to concentrate on their pro= tocol as opposed to spending efforts on the bigger picture.

- p= rovides an entry point to the WG context for new comets and external bodies= =2E E.g., IEC needs to refer DetNet in general before digging in specific m= ethods to be inherited from RFC blah

- position the RFCs from t= his WG vs other WGs and possibly SDOs such as IEEE. In this efforts some ma= jor bugs, overlap or gaps can be isolated and solved.

Note the = this discussion does not concern problem statement and requirements drafts= =2E For those there can be other ways. In RFC 8505 I just inserted the rewa= rds draft text in appendix.

All the best,

Pascal
Le 28 nov. 2018 à 22:55, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> a &= eacute;crit :

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 01:49:48PM -0800, Alvaro Retan= a wrote:
Toerless:

I am not a fan of publishing stand-alo= ne framework/requirements/use cases.

I hope my explanation made it clear that this should not be the goal= =2E
If you think that how i outlined it makes sense, let me know, or = how
you think it should be changed. Overall i just think there is lim= ited
interest to work on things not getting published as RFCs.
<= br />
But as I said before, without knowing the specific con= tents of the
documents it is not easy to provide a one-size-fits-all = answer.

I think what we need should be similar to what we have in some of th= e
explanations in Pascals document and the IETF103 slides i did.

I???m asking early so we don???t end up in the situati= on you mention below and
we are in sync.  There are many ways to= go about documenting the support
material???not all of them end up a= s RFCs???but also we don???t need to end up in
not publishing somethi= ng that is needed/important/valuable.

See above. I would like not do do throwaway work, and you let me kno= w
if you think if drafts not becoming RFC are throwaway. If you don't=
think they are, then please tell me who still knows
draft-ietf= -idmr-pim-arch

Let???s just keep that in mind going forward???
Sure

Cheers
   Toerless

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On Nove= mber 28, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote:

sorry i thi= s is a rant, but your email reads a bit
like pushing one of my button= s where i am somewhat sensitive.

In anima i had to live through= the ADs asking just to have specs
to implement, only that later on i= n WG and IESG review more
and more questiosn where asked for the sepc= s to become more
explanational by reviewers because they didn't under= stand thre
functionality just from the specification part and so we e= nded
up with humunguous spec drafts because we where asked not to
publish arch documents.

I don't think we need to sequentiali= ze explaining the framework
and working on the specification of its c= omponents. Ideally,
we can start with just enough of an outline of a = framework so
that we can agree on the resulting component specificati= ons and
start those quickly.Wwe continue to add explanations to the c= omponent
framework doc while we are working on the specs, therefore a= llowing
to keep the specs crisp but also have a vehicle to deliver be= tter
explanations.

To also give my classic reference: I w= ould have never understood
RFC2362 and its revisions of the followind= decades if there wouldn't
have been draft-ietf-idmr-pim-arch, and i = think its a big failure of
the IETF to not have published that as an = RFC. But then again, i
was back then not in the role of the three aut= hor/implementers of
the PIM-SM spec, but in the role of an operator o= f PIM-SM.

Cheers
Toerless

On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:00:10PM -0800, Alvaro Retan= a wrote:
Just a high-level comment/question???. Off topic...
I???m hoping that "to set the stage for the set of required followup documents specifying the solution??? means that the informational document(s)
will most likely serve their purpose as inspiration fo= r the solution
only???and not be published as RFCs. Is that the inten= t? Or is the intent
to publish that as requirements, framework, or wh= atever-else RFCs???and
*later* work on solutions?

I reali= ze that without knowing the specific content of those document it
may= be hard to provide a definite answer???so I???m just looking for intent at
this point.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On November 28, 2018 at 11:25:19 AM, Toerless Eckert (tte@cs.fau.de) wrote:

a) Lets first determine what the next step is i= n the documents for
roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104.

Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview<= br /> draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal
= would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documents
= specifying the solution.

I could take a stab at that, but mayb= e good parts of this should come
fro pascals document, e.g.: splittin= g up the informational parts from
the normative parts and extending o= n the informational ones .. ?

And then fesible next steps for t= he drafts specifying the solution.
Right now the primary documents ex= isting are the one from pascal
and carsten, so i would like their inp= ut for how they could see
those documents evolve until 104.

Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it should
entail.

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Roll-bier-dt@ietf.org
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