From nobody Mon Dec 5 07:36:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B49129B6D; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:36:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.417 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6qYf2xgh6wbD; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6831129B6B; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:33:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6244; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1480951983; x=1482161583; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=EjUiinXIBK3SGUpfMnTUsNFc8UpVRCCKOIw3+O7u72c=; b=Drwm6psNerhdzCti9dfGVDec5zXG4BULm0wVditHe84mbcrcACgKNq+r 77joN8NOwjqxv1tFUXQHytcMsQ2ZO/uaaRlLlSZD10wxOg1iCsEdfuqL3 PD/KMgbhbPN17fOh2IU/NIC826ZeW66W7KxzBJ4+JT8lkwIc0pbPAFX8N 8=; X-Files: ATT00001.txt : 124 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AeAQDNh0VY/5pdJa1RDBkBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQcBAQEBAYJzRQEBAQEBH1qBBgeNQJcJgxqEWodnhSKCCB4BCoV5AoIRPxQ?= =?us-ascii?q?BAgEBAQEBAQFiKIRoAQEBBAEBGxBBGwIBCBEEAQEoBwIfBgsUBwEBBQMBAQQTC?= =?us-ascii?q?AaIRwMXDq0shzUNg3YBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEOCQWGPoRbgkiBTQF?= =?us-ascii?q?ohSsFjz2KdDUBg16BenKGa4NYgXuEfYlOh2CBbYQ1hAwBHzeBGSOFMnKHbIENA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,305,1477958400"; d="txt'?scan'208,217";a="177736208" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 05 Dec 2016 15:33:02 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-004.cisco.com (xch-aln-004.cisco.com [173.36.7.14]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uB5FX2WL011944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Dec 2016 15:33:03 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-004.cisco.com (173.36.7.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:33:02 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:33:02 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "'6tisch@ietf.org'" <6tisch@ietf.org>, "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" Thread-Topic: [6lo] Working Group adoption call for draft-thubert-6lo-rfc6775-update Thread-Index: AdJNAOjv9YdKCsqzSB+gvWCcKT2OEwCC4NrQ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 15:31:57 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 15:31:49 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.228.216.12] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_f1be8a66b2804e7eb7055cc7a070e54fXCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] FW: [6lo] Working Group adoption call for draft-thubert-6lo-rfc6775-update X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 15:36:16 -0000 --_004_f1be8a66b2804e7eb7055cc7a070e54fXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_f1be8a66b2804e7eb7055cc7a070e54fXCHRCD001ciscocom_" --_000_f1be8a66b2804e7eb7055cc7a070e54fXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those interested in 6LoWPAN ND, please do not miss this call at 6lo ! Pascal From: 6lo [mailto:6lo-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Montenegro Sent: samedi 3 d=E9cembre 2016 02:02 To: 6lo@ietf.org Cc: Samita Chakrabarti Subject: [6lo] Working Group adoption call for draft-thubert-6lo-rfc6775-up= date All, Following up on the WG hum for support in Seoul, this starts a 6lo Working = Group adoption call for draft-thubert-6lo-rfc6775-update-01. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thubert-6lo-rfc6775-update/ Please send your opinion (for or against) to the mailing list on adopting t= his document as a 6lo WG document. This call will end at 00:00 UTC on Decem= ber 16, 2016. Regards, Gabriel --_000_f1be8a66b2804e7eb7055cc7a070e54fXCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For those interested i= n 6LoWPAN ND, please do not miss this call at 6lo !<= /p>

 

Pascal

 

From: 6lo [mailto:6lo-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Gabriel Montenegro
Sent: samedi 3 d=E9cembre 2016 02:02
To: 6lo@ietf.org
Cc: Samita Chakrabarti <samitac.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: [6lo] Working Group adoption call for draft-thubert-6lo-rfc= 6775-update

 

All,

 

Following up on the WG hum for support in Seoul, = this starts a 6lo Working Group adoption call for draft-thubert-6lo-rfc6775= -update-01.

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thuber= t-6lo-rfc6775-update/

 

Please send your opinion (for or against) to the = mailing list on adopting this document as a 6lo WG document. This call will= end at 00:00 UTC on December 16, 2016.

 

Regards,

 

Gabriel

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Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:00:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7jUS_mT84sv6 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6F47127058 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 962D9B800CD; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:00:08 -0800 (PST) To: gnawali@cs.uh.edu, pal@cs.stanford.edu, akatlas@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, aretana@cisco.com, consultancy@vanderstok.org, maria.ines.robles@ericsson.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20161206090008.962D9B800CD@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:00:08 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 05:20:30 -0800 Cc: cenk.guendogan@haw-hamburg.de, roll@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Roll] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6719 (4878) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 09:00:10 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6719, "The Minimum Rank with Hysteresis Objective Function". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6719&eid=4878 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Cenk Gündoğan Section: Abstract Original Text ------------- MRHOF works with additive metrics along a route, and the metrics it uses are determined by the metrics that the RPL Destination Information Object (DIO) messages advertise. Corrected Text -------------- MRHOF works with additive metrics along a route, and the metrics it uses are determined by the metrics that the RPL DODAG Information Object (DIO) messages advertise. Notes ----- DIO stands for DODAG Information Object Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC6719 (draft-ietf-roll-minrank-hysteresis-of-11) -------------------------------------- Title : The Minimum Rank with Hysteresis Objective Function Publication Date : September 2012 Author(s) : O. Gnawali, P. Levis Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Tue Dec 6 05:20:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A302129ECE for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:01:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id reLaPUrHvelv for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A433E127071 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 94E86B800CD; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:01:51 -0800 (PST) To: gnawali@cs.uh.edu, pal@cs.stanford.edu, akatlas@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, aretana@cisco.com, consultancy@vanderstok.org, maria.ines.robles@ericsson.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20161206090151.94E86B800CD@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 01:01:51 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 05:20:30 -0800 Cc: cenk.guendogan@haw-hamburg.de, roll@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Roll] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6719 (4879) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 09:01:55 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6719, "The Minimum Rank with Hysteresis Objective Function". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6719&eid=4879 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Cenk Gündoğan Section: 1 Original Text ------------- RPL advertises metrics in RPL Destination Information Object (DIO) messages with a Metric Container suboption. Corrected Text -------------- RPL advertises metrics in RPL DODAG Information Object (DIO) messages with a Metric Container suboption. Notes ----- DIO stands for DODAG Information Object Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC6719 (draft-ietf-roll-minrank-hysteresis-of-11) -------------------------------------- Title : The Minimum Rank with Hysteresis Objective Function Publication Date : September 2012 Author(s) : O. Gnawali, P. Levis Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Wed Dec 7 03:19:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14486129D9C for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:19:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vcORHzdwKCyG for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EAD1129D99 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.199]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id GzKK1u0034Hiz6i01zKKve; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:19:19 +0100 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:496:76e5:1436:dfbe by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:19:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:19:19 +0100 From: peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5bd372e9ebd3ac6b7035e53c3a5be692@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (/gWpHoEwz4EUdkmg6A4+wndi/4HuVomN) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] call for adoption of aodv-rpl X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 11:19:23 -0000 Dear all This call for adoption is closed. Given the positive reactions on the mailing list we are happy to adopt this draft as a WG document. Can the authors please re-submit as an ietf-roll-title draft Greetings, Ines and Peter > > This is the call for adoption for "Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in > Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs)" draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-03 > From nobody Wed Dec 7 03:20:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E75129DBA for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:20:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zwoy1b_PolxF for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E14B1129DAC for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.199]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id GzLJ1u00A4Hiz6i01zLJ6t; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:20:18 +0100 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:496:76e5:1436:dfbe by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:20:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:20:18 +0100 From: peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (1xcWHygtqNo5VIlfKk93GuGxSyTdyT2U) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] call for adoption of dao-projection draft X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 11:20:45 -0000 Dear all This call for adoption is closed. Given the positive reactions on the mailing list we are happy to adopt this draft as a WG document. Can the authors please re-submit as an ietf-roll-title draft Greetings, Ines and Peter > This is the call for adoption for " Root initiated routing state in > RPL" draft-thubert-roll-dao-projection-03 > From nobody Wed Dec 7 03:22:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9CA129D51 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:22:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id anEMzfw7EWY2 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77987129874 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 03:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.199]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id GzNY1u00F4Hiz6i01zNYVv; Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:22:32 +0100 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:496:76e5:1436:dfbe by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:22:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:22:32 +0100 From: peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (50KoWX53Mz/sN4vCHQh/7kWCiG8XtNdK) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] call for adoption of forw-select draft X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 11:22:36 -0000 Dear all This call for adoption is closed. Given the positive reactions on the mailing list we are happy to adopt this draft as a WG document. Can the authors please re-submit as an ietf-roll-title draft Greetings, Ines and Peter > > This is the call for adoption for " MPL Forwarder Select (MPLFS)" > draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select-01 From nobody Wed Dec 7 06:04:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A18A129A03; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:04:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148111948023.13626.12092996792505989083.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 06:04:40 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-00.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 14:04:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : Root initiated routing state in RPL Authors : Pascal Thubert James Pylakutty Filename : draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-00.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2016-12-07 Abstract: This document proposes a protocol extension to RPL that enables to install a limited amount of centrally-computed routes in a RPL graph, enabling loose source routing down a non-storing mode DODAG, or transversal routes inside the DODAG. As opposed to the classical route injection by DAO messages, this draft projects the routes from the root of the DODAG. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 7 06:09:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BCA129A97; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:09:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148111974492.13626.10371941396622148951.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 06:09:04 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-mpl-forw-select-00.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 14:09:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : MPL Forwarder Select (MPLFS) Authors : Peter van der Stok Abdur Rashid Sangi Filename : draft-ietf-roll-mpl-forw-select-00.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2016-12-07 Abstract: This document describes a Forwarder Selection (MPLFS) protocol for the Multicast Protocol for Low-Power and lossy Networks (MPL) to reduce the density of forwarders such that the number of forwarded messages is reduced. The protocol uses Trickle to distribute link-local information about the identity of the neighbours of the nodes that have MPL-enabled interfaces. In the end-state all nodes are connected to a minimum number, N_DUPLICATE, of forwarders, where N_DUPLICATE is application dependent, and there is a path between any two forwarders. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-mpl-forw-select/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-mpl-forw-select-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 7 23:51:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36484129B58; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 23:51:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148118349121.13686.5647307246045631566.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 23:51:31 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl-00.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 07:51:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) Authors : Satish Anamalamudi Mingui Zhang Abdur Rashid Sangi Charles E. Perkins S.V.R Anand Filename : draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2016-12-07 Abstract: Route discovery for symmetric and asymmetric Point-to-Point (P2P) traffic flows is a desirable feature in Low power and Lossy Networks (LLNs). For that purpose, this document specifies a reactive P2P route discovery mechanism for hop-by-hop routing (storing mode) based on Ad Hoc On-demand Distance Vector Routing (AODV) based RPL protocol. Two separate Instances are used to construct directional paths in case some of the links between source and target node are asymmetric. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Dec 12 20:05:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F28129E75; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:05:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148160195028.22404.3387069866004154527.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:05:50 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 04:05:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : When to use RFC 6553, 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 Authors : Maria Ines Robles Michael C. Richardson Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2016-12-12 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC 6553, RFC 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please review and comment, Thank you, The authors. 2016-12-13 13:05 GMT+09:00 : > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > of the IETF. > > Title : When to use RFC 6553, 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 > Authors : Maria Ines Robles > Michael C. Richardson > Pascal Thubert > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10.txt > Pages : 35 > Date : 2016-12-12 > > Abstract: > This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power > and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power > and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document > enumerates the cases where RFC 6553, RFC 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 > encapsulation is required. This analysis provides the basis on which > to design efficient compression of these headers. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --001a113d1b98dc44c10543829c2b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie= tf-roll-useofrplinfo-10

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-10


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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--001a113d1b98dc44c10543829c2b-- From nobody Tue Dec 13 06:03:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E11C129428; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 06:02:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Mirja Kuehlewind" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148163777941.29438.4609853481208312502.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 06:02:59 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_charter?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-roll-04-06=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:02:59 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-roll-04-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-roll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- One more or less editorial comment on the milestones: Saying something like "Initial submission of draft-name-xy-..." seems wrong given these drafts have not been adopted as wg items yet. From nobody Tue Dec 13 06:34:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821591299A8 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 06:34:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vGgp2flDVPhR for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net [194.109.24.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D725129A7C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 06:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.209]) by smtp-cloud3.xs4all.net with ESMTP id KSaC1u00Y4WfiVN01SaCpW; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:34:12 +0100 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:846d:ddab:c0a5:d141 by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:34:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:34:12 +0100 From: peter van der Stok To: Mirja Kuehlewind Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <148163777941.29438.4609853481208312502.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <148163777941.29438.4609853481208312502.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <0324f85ad4935c43b160940057828ffc@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (qX6/r726F3qRhI1kdqqBPyUCh4ATPf8v) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: Re: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_charter?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-roll-04-06=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:34:51 -0000 > One more or less editorial comment on the milestones: > Saying something like "Initial submission of draft-name-xy-..." seems > wrong given these drafts have not been adopted as wg items yet. Hi Mirja, The drafts mentioned in the milestones were discussed before and during the rechartering process. Although there was definite interest in these drafts in the WG, we could not make them wg documents, because the charter did not provide room for those drafts. We are currently going through the adoption process. Hope this clarifies this point. Greetings, peter From nobody Tue Dec 13 07:00:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED15129B6B for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 07:00:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QMlXMSbFS_Kx for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 07:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from kuehlewind.net (kuehlewind.net [83.169.45.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77BCE129B60 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 07:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21884 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2016 16:00:44 +0100 Received: from p5dec2f56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.178.33?) (93.236.47.86) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 13 Dec 2016 16:00:44 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <0324f85ad4935c43b160940057828ffc@xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:00:43 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7304F57C-FD0B-4CE1-9659-C7CC81926CF9@kuehlewind.net> References: <148163777941.29438.4609853481208312502.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0324f85ad4935c43b160940057828ffc@xs4all.nl> To: consultancy@vanderstok.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: Re: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_charter?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-roll-04-06=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:00:50 -0000 Yes, I was assuming this process, therefore this was meant as an = editorial comment because it still looks weird from the outside=E2=80=A6 Mirja > Am 13.12.2016 um 15:34 schrieb peter van der Stok = : >=20 >=20 >> One more or less editorial comment on the milestones: >> Saying something like "Initial submission of draft-name-xy-..." seems >> wrong given these drafts have not been adopted as wg items yet. >=20 > Hi Mirja, >=20 > The drafts mentioned in the milestones were discussed before and = during the rechartering process. > Although there was definite interest in these drafts in the WG, we = could not make them wg documents, because the charter did not provide = room for those drafts. > We are currently going through the adoption process. >=20 > Hope this clarifies this point. >=20 > Greetings, >=20 > peter >=20 From nobody Tue Dec 13 19:06:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BD212896F; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:06:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148168476058.10753.14596151426652360789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:06:00 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on charter-ietf-roll-04-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:06:00 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-roll-04-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-roll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This charter looks fine to me, modulo a few nits I wondered about. Perhaps "self routing configuration" might be clearer as "routing self-configuration"? I was expecting "It will also need to consider the transport characteristic the routing protocol messages will experience" to refer to characteristics, plural. But I wonder if the sentence would be clearer as "The workng group will consider the transport characteristics routing protocol messages will experience". I'm sure "Additional protocol elements to reduce packet size" is correct, but it seems counter-intuitive. Is there a better way to say what you mean? Is "the draft about when to use RFC6553, RFC6554, and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation Draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo" an Applicability Statement, or did this mean something else? But I see that Mirja had a question about the use of draft names that haven't been adopted. Perhaps it's worth a pass substituting clearer descriptions for draft names? From nobody Tue Dec 13 20:03:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3621293F8; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:03:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Suresh Krishnan" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148168821101.10900.13719086299380987125.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:03:31 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on charter-ietf-roll-04-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 04:03:31 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-roll-04-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-roll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: ROLL will coordinate closely with the working groups in other areas that focus on constrained networks and/or constrained nodes. It might be worthwhile adding the following INT working groups to the list for co-ordination. 6tisch: very closely related because of the extensive use of RPL as well as the OFs ipwave: as we discussed during chartering of ipwave, there might be use cases that require either co-ordination and/or routing expertise in the future. roll might be an appropriate contact point From nobody Tue Dec 13 21:40:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08EC1297F3; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7T8iKjvU6jQY; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 817D31294DF; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id x186so13171916vkd.1; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:40:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fRd5QMLMtibKofjvQXCzoJzY18kqBb7tvFWMe+3eMEQ=; b=iLlcD+w26pzkeKA2nuX7UKWSrfH8YmH3GNmY4u7iCxcRj/lERLqpe2WTQjynnRZ5ST oC0wU/a1X6FIDjwwF4WjvvXU/KJjeBYBluaqQjuqcp8r3Z9wjPv4RM8YEWYIHjhRaCHO 6ljhknlWXP1fCptyrz9POpymxHjePotyUfxenwZJ/R+moi4uRml7K5NDzxbT8dPliSwD 9E8KIYakwV28Y/FbBUN/YTQ6Io8IMjnB+3pMatKVJ/g3g2t31Zzh/DGBbC79gZw4N/zz zyTNduWcFQnDP4/kHsbta+OLTOd8XsNHiv9s2YAGZ/WjyNqm0I9qDgMyKU6dF1R91Zh3 8Jqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fRd5QMLMtibKofjvQXCzoJzY18kqBb7tvFWMe+3eMEQ=; b=nkE0KNZsHy3nRsNsgoQgYdtv3ZDZQ1RT/I2ekAscEbpRdrSsoiUiGu+oLb+32L6kmm P8Tdyzwbr0qKRk/4BtWfiMF0SM7W0aLujEZZZGmKUeWpfYjrBb4IuY4f1Keu1aLJi9v9 2nsww6VzRROhwO6xA79dpfur1/hxdt23vdGKBkuMkiBunPCLsUKzVJISnuy/V44sfj7u b0MhQR9I/zi/shh7e/s+r8bSxGPx51I2JVSBQS2g/2zj/RHCw/Q9QBx5kNnwu3VjMCqG 4V/3qhNwy0tye9jZODhlbwONX0MxN7b9rdASbxXS/w50EOkvjYvOlGPKrgYsNKTiVaHt kN/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01w9P8zP7A/ZSa/7VB3sOfeRYmokJDyIwgHw2mXYBCHPLkex7jPSSHLZShBZQH4ZAu3hJgTX/7eoAU8/Q== X-Received: by 10.159.37.248 with SMTP id 111mr85776269uaf.22.1481694029354; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:40:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.0.176 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:40:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <148168476058.10753.14596151426652360789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <148168476058.10753.14596151426652360789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Ines Robles Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:40:28 +0900 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d1b98491e04054397c6c5 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: Re: [Roll] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on charter-ietf-roll-04-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 05:40:33 -0000 --001a113d1b98491e04054397c6c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Thanks for the feedback, please see in-line. 2016-12-14 12:06 GMT+09:00 Spencer Dawkins : > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This charter looks fine to me, modulo a few nits I wondered about. > > Perhaps "self routing configuration" might be clearer as "routing > self-configuration"? > Ok, thanks, > > I was expecting "It will also need to consider the transport > characteristic the routing protocol messages will experience" to refer to > characteristics, plural. But I wonder if the sentence would be clearer as > "The workng group will consider the transport characteristics routing > protocol > messages will experience". > we could add "that", would it be ok?: ""The working group will consider the transport characteristics that the routing protocol messages will experience"." > > I'm sure "Additional protocol elements to reduce packet size" is correct, > but it seems counter-intuitive. Is there a better way to say what you > mean? > What about this one: "Additional protocol mechanisms to reduce packet size" > > Is "the draft about when to use RFC6553, RFC6554, and IPv6-in-IPv6 > encapsulation Draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo" an Applicability Statement, > or did this mean something else? Yes, it is a guide with the uses cases that describe the uses of "RPL option" (RPI), "RPL Source Route Header" (RH3), and an IPv6 Extension Header. > But I see that Mirja had a question > about the use of draft names that haven't been adopted. Perhaps it's > worth a pass substituting clearer descriptions for draft names? > Ok, we will do that. Thanks, Ines > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --001a113d1b98491e04054397c6c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Thanks for the feedback, please see= in-line.

20= 16-12-14 12:06 GMT+09:00 Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@= gmail.com>:

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COMMENT:
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This charter looks fine to me, modulo a few nits I wondered about.

Perhaps "self routing configuration" might be clearer as "ro= uting
self-configuration"?

Ok, thanks,= =C2=A0

I was expecting "It will also need to consider the transport
characteristic the routing protocol messages will experience" to refer= to
characteristics, plural. But I wonder if the sentence would be clearer as "The workng group will consider the transport characteristics routing<= br> protocol
messages will experience".

we coul= d add "that", would it be ok?: ""The working group will= consider the transport characteristics =C2=A0that the routing protocol mes= sages will experience"."=C2=A0

I'm sure "Additional protocol elements to reduce packet size"= is correct,
but it seems counter-intuitive. Is there a better way to say what you
mean?

What about this one: "Additi= onal protocol mechanisms to reduce packet size"
=C2=A0
=

Is "the draft about when to use RFC6553, RFC6554, and IPv6-in-IPv6
encapsulation Draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo" an Applicability Statement= ,
or did this mean something else?

Yes, it i= s a guide with the uses cases that describe the uses of "RPL option&qu= ot; (RPI), "RPL Source Route Header" (RH3), and an IPv6 Extension= Header.
=C2=A0
But I see that Mirja had a question
about the use of draft names that haven't been adopted. Perhaps it'= s
worth a pass substituting clearer descriptions for draft names?

Ok, we will do that.=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ines

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--001a113d1b98491e04054397c6c5-- From nobody Tue Dec 13 21:41:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5785E12943C; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:41:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cmSKAHwKdV3e; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x236.google.com (mail-vk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D2CB1294B2; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:41:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id x186so13191951vkd.1; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:41:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wBWUd9Z2I8h4jY9NTsfmlui+nOcdrtBu+zJqcXHqC2Y=; b=IjSc1AooR1vjYK1yVCXfttnrvPlaiWvv18890DaH1PR+yfM85qMFkA6xO0pSFzRRS+ jMbw1wVNRnaBG64cSal1H8482uIa1UIc2dGVljLejXP7GXnokamRWKoZ/WKumSgWoO3z EqPzEQFTj28yxsVRviguB5Mq5b3l33W52q8DoUXcMTkLWLMPvS8zRLkUOxXdRe37ZcX9 DF4zs/ysVczVRYpe3lCrUZoTlLaAJUiSCn0bZiXzNgW1X/ySx6Q2Vl70JxcYL6asBKGs PFVL2dF+SIs7i9zdImj60kypuPoauD4k5ia7D5jnvMiZeiKJyDIezXYKYVr50hllFU6j kxEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wBWUd9Z2I8h4jY9NTsfmlui+nOcdrtBu+zJqcXHqC2Y=; b=AwMMvhd+aZ7yW/AKTKfMmHskm7I37/lNG3Ni05whbmmGuh6Vyc2VcSUYgfBhKOsxvw cDvulBEnI1IXJr/5vE5g3IFkUNMkJR0Am9SEk0DRAX8ng56kcQvRPzPewskn34YhxrUC 8aUa1RAv+5Bjs+obnpI0Z/5MLNKKfYKixXxZ841a2c0aTDnwx5Pcu7s/yrgUt2OKbGIJ 7TVLlw8Prn0rRQyuuvNfAnWyZKeJWpWmPTekBDFgGQX0taNu2ktDD1bhNVzv8+pRCYcp Kp39wHFpLbvaDB4t3aEl+RJTLUi2tTyr1QTVuSqHlvDHiA3+vEf+8Iy9jEpRlmBX/1Iw iA+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC032yKYIQpWNT5NPNEREeOTTY7QIGw8A+OIZQ3nAzAoudmalALclJGyPdtE3b+yBLWJnQfA+ADHcPQOdRg== X-Received: by 10.31.3.78 with SMTP id 75mr43993541vkd.121.1481694080092; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:41:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.0.176 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:41:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <148168821101.10900.13719086299380987125.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <148168821101.10900.13719086299380987125.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Ines Robles Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:41:19 +0900 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142850e4f51aa054397c99c Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: Re: [Roll] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on charter-ietf-roll-04-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 05:41:23 -0000 --001a1142850e4f51aa054397c99c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Thank you for the review. Ok, we will add the suggested WGs. Cheers, Ines and Peter 2016-12-14 13:03 GMT+09:00 Suresh Krishnan : > Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-roll-04-06: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-roll/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Re: ROLL will coordinate closely with the working groups in other areas > that focus > on constrained networks and/or constrained nodes. > > It might be worthwhile adding the following INT working groups to the > list for co-ordination. > > 6tisch: very closely related because of the extensive use of RPL as well > as the OFs > ipwave: as we discussed during chartering of ipwave, there might be use > cases that require either co-ordination and/or routing expertise in the > future. roll might be an appropriate contact point > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --001a1142850e4f51aa054397c99c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Thank you for the review.

Ok, we will add the suggested WGs.

Cheers,

Ines and Peter

2016-12-14 13:03 GMT+09:00 Sures= h Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>:
Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballo= t position for
charter-ietf-roll-04-06: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-iet= f-roll/



-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
COMMENT:
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Re: ROLL will coordinate closely with the working groups in other areas
that focus
on constrained networks and/or constrained nodes.

It might be worthwhile adding the following INT=C2=A0 working groups to the=
list for co-ordination.

6tisch: very closely related because of the extensive use of RPL as well as the OFs
ipwave: as we discussed during chartering of ipwave, there might be use
cases that require either co-ordination and/or routing expertise in the
future. roll might be an appropriate contact point


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All of your responses look fine to me - and thank you. Spencer 2016-12-14 12:06 GMT+09:00 Spencer Dawkins : > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This charter looks fine to me, modulo a few nits I wondered about. > > Perhaps "self routing configuration" might be clearer as "routing > self-configuration"? > Ok, thanks, > > I was expecting "It will also need to consider the transport > characteristic the routing protocol messages will experience" to refer to > characteristics, plural. But I wonder if the sentence would be clearer as > "The workng group will consider the transport characteristics routing > protocol > messages will experience". > we could add "that", would it be ok?: ""The working group will consider the transport characteristics that the routing protocol messages will experience"." > > I'm sure "Additional protocol elements to reduce packet size" is correct, > but it seems counter-intuitive. Is there a better way to say what you > mean? > What about this one: "Additional protocol mechanisms to reduce packet size" > > Is "the draft about when to use RFC6553, RFC6554, and IPv6-in-IPv6 > encapsulation Draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo" an Applicability Statement, > or did this mean something else? Yes, it is a guide with the uses cases that describe the uses of "RPL option" (RPI), "RPL Source Route Header" (RH3), and an IPv6 Extension Header. > But I see that Mirja had a question > about the use of draft names that haven't been adopted. Perhaps it's > worth a pass substituting clearer descriptions for draft names? > Ok, we will do that. Thanks, Ines > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --001a11492dfae79f220543aa1686 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Inez,

On Dec 14, 2016 1:40 PM, "Ines Robles" <mariainesrobles@googlemail.= com> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for the feedback, please see in-lin= e.

All of your responses look fine to me - and thank you.

Spencer




--001a11492dfae79f220543aa1686-- From nobody Thu Dec 15 01:27:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CED7129C5A; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 01:27:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Stephen Farrell" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148179406008.27562.6173114911411840518.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 01:27:40 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on charter-ietf-roll-04-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 09:27:40 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-roll-04-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-roll/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I have one non-blocking question for the IESG and WG chairs... The charter continues to say "The Working Group will pay particular attention to routing security..." How do we think that's going? I'm not sure that it's going that well - we seem to have a history where ROLL documents arrive at the IESG lacking security analysis. I don't think that's because folks are bad or lazy, but it's maybe more down to people assuming that security is someone else's problem (e.g. will be handled by layer 2, or will be part of some applicability statement, or will be handled by some RPL security document etc...) Anyway, now that we're re-chartering, maybe it's a good time to review how we've been doing on this, given the history and see if there's anything we could do to avoid problems arising for future ROLL documents. (I don't have any specific suggestion for what to do, I just wanted to see if a discussion of this might be useful.) From nobody Thu Dec 15 02:02:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908EA1297EE for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 02:02:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HILD9po0g5sz for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 02:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD835129561 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 02:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([IPv6:2001:888:0:22:194:109:20:216]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id LA2B1u00A25pRQy01A2Bms; Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:02:11 +0100 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:466:a346:51ef:6889 by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:02:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:02:11 +0100 From: peter van der Stok To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <148179406008.27562.6173114911411840518.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <148179406008.27562.6173114911411840518.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <4e50b80843eaef06922d45fe48af766d@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (C2Um/KFrl3Cfuy8WOMUaHQaFb+JPO7VT) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on charter-ietf-roll-04-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:02:15 -0000 Hi Stephen, Indeed, formulating security attacks, analysing their consequences, and findig adequate remedies for a routing protocol is a challenging task. It starts with formulating the attacks, which in my understanding evolve over time. In the 6lo WG a draft has been written to handle privacy issues in a coherent way; which proves extremely useful during the IP-over-foo draft discussions. In Roll Michael has written a template for the applicabiity statements, including security issues. In my opinion a draft which helps identifying the threats and their (existing) remedies could be a proper way forward. For Roll such a draft together with Manet, which faces similar wireless issues, might be a good starting point. Any other suggestions, or showing this one to be inadequate, are welcome. peter, > > The charter continues to say "The Working Group will pay > particular attention to routing security..." > > How do we think that's going? I'm not sure that it's going > that well - we seem to have a history where ROLL documents > arrive at the IESG lacking security analysis. I don't think > that's because folks are bad or lazy, but it's maybe more > down to people assuming that security is someone else's > problem (e.g. will be handled by layer 2, or will be part > of some applicability statement, or will be handled by > some RPL security document etc...) > > Anyway, now that we're re-chartering, maybe it's a good > time to review how we've been doing on this, given the > history and see if there's anything we could do to avoid > problems arising for future ROLL documents. 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<148168821101.10900.13719086299380987125.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <096FFE6F-F9FB-487E-B81D-CA73DC52AC4B@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrDLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoK7YlKAIg6l3jSz+/tzKaDHjz0Rm i48t11gtmi4LOLB4TPm9kdVjyZKfTAFMUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZP39OYC9YylTx+OJytgbG F4xdjBwcEgImEtN2mnYxcnEICaxnlNh8ZjU7hLOcUWLa8VagIk4ONqCiDTs/M4HYIgLeEoff fWMHsZkFQiRmTG5iAbGFBSIkJt+7DVUTKXF9+XNGCFtPYtnl56wgy1gEVCVmNLuAhHkFfCX2 7vjBBLGrkVHiyI6pYPWMAmIS30+tYYKYLy5x68l8MFtCQEBiyZ7zzBC2qMTLx/9YIWwliY+/ 50PdoyOxYPcnNghbW2LZwtfMEMsEJU7OfMIygVFkFpKxs5C0zELSMgtJywJGllWMHKXFBTm5 6UaGmxiBcXBMgs1xB+PeXs9DjAIcjEo8vBvKgyKEWBPLiitzDzFKcDArifBaPQcK8aYkVlal FuXHF5XmpBYfYpTmYFES570ecj9cSCA9sSQ1OzW1ILUIJsvEwSnVwDgj+tzM0qnL3wSvU8i0 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Looks good.=0A= =0A= Regards=0A= Suresh=0A= =0A= From nobody Fri Dec 16 09:31:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C611296CD; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 09:31:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148190949174.14756.11474681792472353310.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 09:31:31 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: [Roll] WG Action: Rechartered Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 17:31:32 -0000 The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG in the Routing Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Active WG Chairs: Peter Van der Stok Ines Robles Secretaries: Michael Richardson Assigned Area Director: Alvaro Retana Routing Area Directors: Alia Atlas Alvaro Retana Deborah Brungard Mailing list: Address: roll@ietf.org To subscribe: http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/roll/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-roll/ Low power and Lossy Networks (LLNs ) are made up of many embedded devices with limited power, memory, and processing resources. They are interconnected by a variety of links, such as IEEE 802.15.4, Bluetooth, Low Power WiFi, wired or other low power PLC (Powerline Communication) links. LLNs are transitioning to an end-to-end IP-based solution to avoid the problem of non-interoperable networks interconnected by protocol translation gateways and proxies. RFC7102 discusses ROLL specific aspects of LLNs, and RFC7228 provides additional terminology for constrained devices. RFC 5548, 5673, 5826, and 5876 describe the requirements for LLNs from several application perspectives. The Working Group has focused on routing solutions for the areas: connected home, building, and urban sensor networks. It has developed a Framework that takes into consideration various aspects including high reliability in the presence of time varying loss characteristics and connectivity while permitting low-power operation with very modest memory and CPU pressure in networks potentially comprising a very large number (several thousands) of nodes. The Working Group continues to focus on routing issues for LLN and to maintain, improve and streamline the protocols already developed, including RPL and MPL. The focus is on IPv6 work only. The Working Group will pay particular attention to routing security and manageability (e.g., self-configuration) issues. The working group will consider the transport characteristics that routing protocol messages will experience. ROLL will coordinate closely with the working groups in other areas that focus on constrained networks and/or constrained nodes, such as 6lo, 6tisch, ipwave, lwig and CoRE. Other working groups such as pim, bier and manet will be consulted as needed. The Working group will align with the 6man WG when needed. Work Items are: - Guidance in using RFC6553, RFC6554, and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation. - Additional protocol elements to reduce packet size and the amount of required routing states - Automatic selection of MPL forwarders to reduce message replication. - Data models for RPL and MPL management. - Multicast enhancements algorithms. Milestones: Jan 2017 - Initial Submission of a proposal with uses cases for RPI, RH3 and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation to the IESG Mar 2017 - Initial submission of a YANG model for MPL to the IESG Mar 2017 - Initial submission of a root initiated routing state in RPL to the IESG Jul 2017 - Initial submission of a proposal for Source-Route Multicast for RPL to the IESG Jul 2017 - Initial submission of a Forwarder Selection Protocol for MPL to the IESG Nov 2017 - Initial submission of a reactive P2P route discovery mechanism based on AODV-RPL protocol to the IESG Nov 2017 - Initial submission of a proposal to augment DIS flags and options to the IESG Jul 2018 - Initial submission of a solution to the problems due to the use of No-Path DAO Messages to the IESG Sep 2018 - Recharter WG or close From nobody Sat Dec 24 09:02:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323F21295BB for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 09:02:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dIen4mssoOKG for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4585B1293F0 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AC3E1EF for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A8C63770 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:02:23 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Roll In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] some comments / questions on dao-projection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 17:02:26 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I had intended to finish this as part of the adoption call, having previously read the document, but was late. These comments are probably more useful now anyway. I can open tickets as appropriate if chairs direct. Let me leave editorial comments to the end of this email. 1) Didn't we have an errata about default lifetime units when there was no configuration option? No, we didn't. I wonder if this plagues us everywhere, that 6550 should have specified a default Lifetime units in the absense of a Configuration option. 2) RFC6551 reference: > or the RPL routing extensions specified in Routing for Path > Calculation in LLNs [RFC6551]. Based on that information, the root huh? the title of 6551 is: Routing Metrics Used for Path Calculation in Low-Power and Lossy Networks so, what exactly did you mean here? 3) does dao-lifetime eclipse need for no path dao? 4) resource calculations "but how the root figures the amount of resources that are available is out of scope." I disagree. I would like some mechanism to be in scope. And you suggest NMS and 6551 later on... which seems to make it in scope. I'm not sure how 6551 can be used here. 5) section 4 needs subsections! Too many concepts in one heading. 6) On the use of a new MOP. Are we sure that we need a new MOP? Could we use Non-Storing MOP, with some indication of which nodes speak DAO-Projection? Could that work? Or do you really want to force a forklift upgrade here? Why does the entire network need to be aware of this new mode? 7) page 8 is too dense! 8) I just didn't understand the english here. I think that "last node" needs a better term. Maybe colour the nodes or otherwise mark them and use those terms? The last node in the segment may have another information to reach the target(s), such as a connected route or an already installed projected route. If it does not have such a route then the node 9) running out of resources: it seems that it ought to be said that the new node might not be one that the last node had previously talked to. There is the issue of both routing storage (from storing mode), but also neighbor cache resources. 10) more hard to understand statements... > For the targets that could be located, last node in the segment > generates a DAO to its loose predecessor in the segment as indicated > in the list of Via Information options. woe! What? 11) create new section on route cleanup > A NULL lifetime in the Via Information option along the segment is > used to clean up the state. needs new 4.x section on cleanup. 12) move / replicate diagrams into this section, and use numbered diagrams > In the example below, say that there is a lot of traffic to nodes 55 new section, move diagram here. make figure 5 and 6 more like figure 3, numbered, etc. 13) Q: retransmission timers, etc. appropriate for these projected DAO messages? How do we handle packet loss? 14) Security Considerations will need to be written. The security threats documents details very specific threats, and indicating if this protocol changes things is important. Also, some consideration SHOULD be given to when A=1. Are the affects of the new flow of control messages? So for instance Security Considerations should probably consider how projected DAO messages could be abused by a) rogue nodes b) via replay of messages c) if use of projected DAO messages could in fact deal with any threats? ======== START of EDITORIAL comments Change: Additionally, RPL storing mode is optimized or Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP), root to leaves and Multipoint-to-Point (MP2P) leaves to root operations, whereby routes are always installed along the RPL DODAG. To: Additionally, RPL storing mode is optimized for Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP), (..root to leaves and Multipoint-to-Point (MP2P) leaves to root operations), whereby routes are always installed along the RPL DODAG. the part () is worded too poorly for me to parse. Can you fix this? Transversal Peer to Peer (P2P) routes in a RPL network will generally suffer from some stretch since routing between 2 peers always happens What means "stretch" here? section 2: NSM -- I think this is a new term? (it's not in RFC6550 or 7102. I'm all for this term) section 3: I found the comments about factoring to be too soon. Some explanation of mechanism should preceed this part of the discussion. Just let section 3 be about the formats/contents. I suggest text like this: In NSM the TIO option is used in the DAO message to indicate the immediate parent of a given path. The TIO applies to the Target options that immedially preceed it, and multiple TIOs may be present to indicate multiple routes. 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