From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Wed Feb 5 12:57:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982C81A0211; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:57:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSRsBun_UO5b; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE3A1A01CC; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:57:29 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.0.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20140205205728.2118.4988.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 12:57:28 -0800 Cc: storm@ietf.org Subject: [storm] Last Call: (RDMA Protocol Extensions) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: storm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Storage Maintenance WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 20:57:30 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the STORage Maintenance WG (storm) to consider the following document: - 'RDMA Protocol Extensions' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2014-02-19. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies extensions to the IETF Remote Direct Memory Access Protocol (RDMAP [RFC5040]). RDMAP provides read and write services directly to applications and enables data to be transferred directly into Upper Layer Protocol (ULP) Buffers without intermediate data copies. The extensions specified in this document provide the following capabilities and/or improvements: Atomic Operations and Immediate Data. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-storm-rdmap-ext/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-storm-rdmap-ext/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From hemal@broadcom.com Wed Feb 5 14:40:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6BC1A0274 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:40:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e9DQJOULewIo for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E521A021F for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:40:50 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,789,1384329600"; d="scan'208,217";a="12946444" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 05 Feb 2014 14:49:36 -0800 Received: from IRVEXCHMB11.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::9cdd:3a57:8694:f610]) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:40:49 -0800 From: Hemal Shah To: "storm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RDMA protocol extensions v2 draft Section 1.1 implementation requirements Thread-Index: Ac8iw1AljbJ1OwHpSMe2BE+Y0cTszQ== Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:40:49 +0000 Message-ID: <2D98DD3F898B6B4DA287BF3BA07DAE932D428FDA@IRVEXCHMB11.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.9.208.64] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2D98DD3F898B6B4DA287BF3BA07DAE932D428FDAIRVEXCHMB11corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [storm] RDMA protocol extensions v2 draft Section 1.1 implementation requirements X-BeenThere: storm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Storage Maintenance WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:40:53 -0000 --_000_2D98DD3F898B6B4DA287BF3BA07DAE932D428FDAIRVEXCHMB11corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Section 1.1 in draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2-00.txt lists implementation re= quirements that state that an implementation needs to support all extension= s to be complaint with v2. We should have optional support for each feature separately and not build i= t in layers. That will allow an implementation to support a subset of featu= res applicable to an implementation. For example, RDMA read v2 without supp= orting atomic operations makes sense on a server that does not have PCIe at= omics support. Hemal --_000_2D98DD3F898B6B4DA287BF3BA07DAE932D428FDAIRVEXCHMB11corp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Section 1.1 in draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2-00.txt = lists implementation requirements that state that an implementation needs t= o support all extensions to be complaint with v2.

 

We should have optional support for each feature sep= arately and not build it in layers. That will allow an implementation to su= pport a subset of features applicable to an implementation. For example, RD= MA read v2 without supporting atomic operations makes sense on a server that does not have PCIe atomics support= .

 

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--_000_2D98DD3F898B6B4DA287BF3BA07DAE932D428FDAIRVEXCHMB11corp_-- From nobody Mon Feb 17 06:40:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1391A0211 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:40:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rjI4TiwpWej3 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FC61A04D4 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:40:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: storm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.0.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140217144003.26793.47281.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:40:03 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/storm/Mvy81Tfz_tnAY7OtbrUIzfO6Rzg Subject: [storm] Milestones changed for storm WG X-BeenThere: storm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Storage Maintenance WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:40:06 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit RDMA Protocol Extensions draft to IESG for consideration as a Standards Track document", resolved as "Done", added draft-ietf-storm-rdmap-ext to milestone. URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/storm/charter/ From nobody Tue Feb 18 02:12:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49491A0629 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:12:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.548, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x-I-GaYOvAgn for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailuogwdur.emc.com (mailuogwdur.emc.com [128.221.224.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365CA1A0625 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 02:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from maildlpprd51.lss.emc.com (maildlpprd51.lss.emc.com [10.106.48.155]) by mailuogwprd52.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id s1IACE08019067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:12:14 -0500 X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd52.lss.emc.com s1IACE08019067 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=emc.com; s=jan2013; t=1392718335; bh=t4nPHjKrVD598tuoiYusDb6cx3A=; h=From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=XM8F0njnKrp5St27v4q7XjDnWmAUpd2bMDBnc7Z/WGYEBVh47IMGrJC+e6uPhonqK nHwv1AZYAmkuVHhpEwCz6/C5HGZrM+ZrMIgu+a2iJP7TXzlg9ux7EUfpC+eDQZS5Ow Sjb84n4y/ex/dX3/uEXeYlJoas7rP9/MVRpSH6Do= X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 mailuogwprd52.lss.emc.com s1IACE08019067 Received: from mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com (mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com [10.106.48.25]) by maildlpprd51.lss.emc.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:12:08 -0500 Received: from mxhub25.corp.emc.com (mxhub25.corp.emc.com [10.254.110.181]) by mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id s1IAC8JN007447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:12:08 -0500 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.167]) by mxhub25.corp.emc.com ([10.254.110.181]) with mapi; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:12:07 -0500 From: "Black, David" To: "storm@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 05:12:06 -0500 Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac8sXqb21f7ty/lvTdOyiZ/xtzV+wA== Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE712027281E5B8@MX15A.corp.emc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/storm/wpS2W0qH6w8TBdYbUJEpyMmz9gQ Subject: Re: [storm] I-D Action: draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2-00.txt X-BeenThere: storm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Storage Maintenance WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:12:21 -0000 I've taken an initial look at this draft. I apologize for the delay, but I've been focused on moving the iSCSI drafts forward - the RFC Editor is almost done editing them, and their expected RF= C publication date is mid-March after the T10 dependency in the iscsi-sam draft is cleared (expected at the T10 March meetings). In any case, here are some initial comments on 3 topics in the rdmap-ext-v2 draft. [1] Negotiation Hmm, this combination looks like a serious problem: Section 1.1: The discovery and negotiation of the RDMA Extensions and the RDMAP Extensions is covered in MPA Extensions [RFCZZZZ]. Normative References: [RFCZZZZ] "MPA Extensions" (not yet written) Given that this draft intends to change the protocol version, that negotiat= ion mechanism is crucial, but at the moment, it's unspecified - a proverbial "pig in a poke". I don't think it's appropriate for the WG to adopt this draft until there's at least an initial specification of the negotiation mechanism, and Hemal's comment about whether individual features should be negotiated will need discussion (although that can happen after draft adoption). When both drafts are available, my inclination would be to propose WG adopt= ion of both as a package (and we'd need to add a goal/milestone to the WG chart= er at that time). [2] IANA Considerations Also, the IANA considerations will need to be reworked, as RFC 6580 says: Namespace details: RDMAP Operation Codes are 4-bit values [RFC5040]. and hence 5-bit opcodes cannot be added to that registry. I think a separate registry for the v2 opcodes is probably what's called fo= r, with an entry that references the existing registry for 0x00 - 0x0F. [3] Reference to RDMA Protocol Extensions Finally, something small, but important: [RFCYYYY] Shah, H. et al., "RDMA Protocol Extensions", RFC YYYY, October 2013. That's not the right way to reference that document; refer to it as an Internet-Draft by its Internet-Draft name: draft-ietf-storm-rdmap-ext-08.tx= t . Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:13 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : RDMA Protocol Extensions V2 > Author(s) : Donald Wood > Robert Sharp > Kenneth Keels > Filename : draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2-00.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2013-11-26 >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies extensions to the IETF Remote Direct Memory > Access Protocol and RDMA Protocol Extensions. RDMAP provides read > and write services directly to applications and enables data to be > transferred directly into Upper Layer Protocol (ULP) Buffers without > intermediate data copies. The extensions specified in this document > provide the following capabilities and/or improvements to eliminate > application visible differences with other RDMA technologies: Send > with Immediate Data Operations and a new form of RDMA Read > Operation. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2 >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wood-storm-rdmap-ext-v2-00 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Thu Feb 27 14:24:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: storm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6851A04F6 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:24:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yDfXChIjNPcu for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mga09.intel.com (mga09.intel.com [134.134.136.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1E11A02A7 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from fmsmga001.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.23]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2014 14:20:14 -0800 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,557,1389772800"; d="scan'208,217";a="483175252" Received: from fmsmsx106.amr.corp.intel.com ([10.19.9.37]) by fmsmga001.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2014 14:24:37 -0800 Received: from fmsmsx154.amr.corp.intel.com (10.18.116.70) by FMSMSX106.amr.corp.intel.com (10.19.9.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:24:37 -0800 Received: from fmsmsx105.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.5.111]) by FMSMSX154.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.6.112]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:24:37 -0800 From: "Wood, Donald E" To: "storm@ietf.org" , "Ilango, Arun" Thread-Topic: BPS - epoll Thread-Index: Ac80CqEQcr5b+Sh/ShqueGRjutBrBwAABCRg Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:24:36 +0000 Message-ID: <51C8F64AEA6A2E45A08166544F762D0B53DA7930@FMSMSX105.amr.corp.intel.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.200.108] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_51C8F64AEA6A2E45A08166544F762D0B53DA7930FMSMSX105amrcor_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/storm/T0XpV2T3GGoUeQDPZ1oro8nt3uE Subject: [storm] BPS - epoll X-BeenThere: storm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Storage Maintenance WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:24:43 -0000 --_000_51C8F64AEA6A2E45A08166544F762D0B53DA7930FMSMSX105amrcor_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...........................................................................= .............................................................. 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