From rpelletier@isoc.org Sun Dec 11 17:44:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927F521F8513 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:44:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.384 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.384 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.214, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNKf5o++zReH for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.194]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D72121F8531 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp59.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 11FB83F0329 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:44:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp59.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id C4E853F0325 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Pelletier Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--397771417 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:44:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 References: <194203752.1323654222547.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2wl013.webex.com> To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Wednesday 14 Dec - WebEx Details X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 01:44:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-16--397771417 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Begin forwarded message: > From: Ray Pelletier > Date: December 11, 2011 8:43:42 PM EST > To: rpelletier@isoc.org > Subject: (Forward to attendees) Tools Cmte > Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org >=20 >=20 > **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****=20 >=20 > Hello ,=20 >=20 > Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online meeting.=20 >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte=20 > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011=20 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)=20 > Meeting Number: 969 402 420=20 > Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D=20 > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: (This = meeting does not require a password.)=20 > 4. Click "Join".=20 >=20 > To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&ORT=3DM= iMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the audio conference only=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490=20 > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 > Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D188957722&tollFree=3D1=20 > Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 >=20 > Access code:969 402 420=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > For assistance=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 > 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 >=20 > You can contact me at:=20 > rpelletier@isoc.org=20 > 1-703-652-9534=20 >=20 > To update this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= RS1&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DpW6b4oUn7WZS5RS2/0EGtzYNQNM/mj72zX6tRA3gkg= 0=3D&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 >=20 > WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for Windows the first = time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup prior to the = meeting by clicking this link:=20 > https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/meetingcenter/mcsetup.php=20 >=20 >=20 > The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.=20 >=20 > Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 > http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 >=20 > http://www.webex.com=20 >=20 > CCP:+14087926300x969402420#=20 >=20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20 --Apple-Mail-16--397771417 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
From: Ray Pelletier = <messenger@webex.com>
=
Date: December 11, 2011 = 8:43:42 PM EST
To: rpelletier@isoc.org
Subject: (Forward to = attendees) Tools Cmte
Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org


**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees = ****

Hello ,

Ray Pelletier changed the date and time = for this online meeting.

Topic: Tools Cmte
Date: = Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time = (New York, GMT-05:00)
Meeting Number: 969 402 420
Meeting = Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)


= -------------------------------------------------------
To join the = online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
= -------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1889577= 22&UID=3D0&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
2. If requested, enter = your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter = the meeting password: (This meeting does not require a password.)
= 4. Click "Join".

To view in other time zones or languages, = please click the link:
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= -------------------------------------------------------
To join the = audio conference only
= -------------------------------------------------------
To receive = a call back, provide your phone number when you join the meeting, or = call the number below and enter the access code.
Call-in toll-free = number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): = 1-408-792-6300
Global call-in numbers: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?s= erviceType=3DMC&ED=3D188957722&tollFree=3D1
Toll-free = dialing restrictions: http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf =

Access code:969 402 420

= -------------------------------------------------------
For = assistance
------------------------------------------------------- =
1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc
2. = On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

You can contact = me at:
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= 1-703-652-9534

To update this meeting to your calendar program = (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link:
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WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for = Windows the first time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup = prior to the meeting by clicking this link:
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The playback of UCF (Universal Communications = Format) rich media files requires appropriate players. To view this type = of rich media files in the meeting, please check whether you have the = players installed on your computer by going to https:/= /workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.

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http://www.webex.com =

CCP:+14087926300x969402420#

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This = WebEx service includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and = other materials exchanged or viewed during the session to be recorded. = By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. = If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the = meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join the = session. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to = discovery in the event of litigation.
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= --Apple-Mail-16--397771417-- From rpelletier@isoc.org Tue Dec 13 14:34:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE9521F8AF2 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.356 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.356 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.243, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSpndTPr1bKN for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.134]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CB421F8AF1 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8723C58A5A for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp53.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 62A3F589DF for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:34:39 -0500 To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] AGENDA: Tools Call Wed 12-14-11 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:34:43 -0000 All; Draft Agenda for call. WebEx Details below. Russ will host the call. 1. Projects In Work Update - Henrik a. Back End Development - IOLA b. Draft Tracking Tool - Yaco 2. AMS Projects in Work Update - AMS a. Secretariat Tools Conversion - Way Forward b. Agenda Scheduling Tool SOW 3. Taipei Code Sprint 4. Mission Critical Tools 5. NomCom Tools 6. Tracker Project Issues http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ProjectList=20= 7. AOB=09 Ray Competed to date: $259k In Work: $50k Forecast: $309k Topic: Tools Cmte=20 Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011=20 Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)=20 Meeting Number: 969 402 420=20 Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D=20 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: (This meeting = does not require a password.)=20 4. Click "Join".=20 To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&ORT=3DM= iMxMQ%3D%3D=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the audio conference only=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490=20 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D188957722&tollFree=3D1=20 Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 Access code:969 402 420=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 For assistance=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 You can contact me at:=20 rpelletier@isoc.org=20 1-703-652-9534=20 To update this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= RS1&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DpW6b4oUn7WZS5RS2/0EGtzYNQNM/mj72zX6tRA3gkg= 0=3D&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for Windows the first = time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup prior to the = meeting by clicking this link:=20 https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/meetingcenter/mcsetup.php=20 The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.=20 Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 http://www.webex.com=20 CCP:+14087926300x969402420#=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20= From bob.hinden@gmail.com Tue Dec 13 20:59:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B85311E8089 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:59:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.836 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.836 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_RECV_BEZEQINT_B=0.763, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IyuDZElKkdaL for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com (mail-ww0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548A311E808C for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13so718300wgb.13 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:59:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=/iWPGIF5AQ3uQ9EldGQQASG1mr3d1dsGS0MunZy/chs=; b=jNw+5wMWFJNiJcHCjbsXdgTgV92iao6rQKyIf4NSu0a3OJIpxgBkKiCFddzrVhOklz GWkKrHTogW8MpT8+e9MuikHXlVjyxneFABVlxkpW+vCXOsLkOsdgCqjBjPiw/uK4Y8Hw wQ2tI6hSCY3ry596km2J8SLZ3FVE123ktsNP0= Received: by 10.180.90.234 with SMTP id bz10mr1939224wib.46.1323838776239; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.4.104] (bzq-218-39-90.cablep.bezeqint.net. [81.218.39.90]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj9sm1754401wib.6.2011.12.13.20.59.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:59:34 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden X-Priority: 1 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:59:31 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0E7201A9-5497-49C2-820E-4A8B82752181@gmail.com> References: To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] AGENDA: Tools Call Wed 12-14-11 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:59:38 -0000 I may not join the call, don't wait to start if I am not there. Bob On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; >=20 > Draft Agenda for call. WebEx Details below. Russ will host the call. >=20 > 1. Projects In Work Update - Henrik > a. Back End Development - IOLA > b. Draft Tracking Tool - Yaco >=20 > 2. AMS Projects in Work Update - AMS > a. Secretariat Tools Conversion - Way Forward > b. Agenda Scheduling Tool SOW >=20 > 3. Taipei Code Sprint >=20 > 4. Mission Critical Tools >=20 > 5. NomCom Tools >=20 > 6. Tracker Project Issues > http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ProjectList=20= >=20 > 7. AOB=09 >=20 > Ray >=20 > Competed to date: $259k > In Work: $50k > Forecast: $309k >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte=20 > Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011=20 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)=20 > Meeting Number: 969 402 420=20 > Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D=20 > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: (This = meeting does not require a password.)=20 > 4. Click "Join".=20 >=20 > To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&ORT=3DM= iMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the audio conference only=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490=20 > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 > Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D188957722&tollFree=3D1=20 > Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 >=20 > Access code:969 402 420=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > For assistance=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 > 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 >=20 > You can contact me at:=20 > rpelletier@isoc.org=20 > 1-703-652-9534=20 >=20 > To update this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D188957722&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= RS1&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DpW6b4oUn7WZS5RS2/0EGtzYNQNM/mj72zX6tRA3gkg= 0=3D&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 >=20 > WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for Windows the first = time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup prior to the = meeting by clicking this link:=20 > https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/meetingcenter/mcsetup.php=20 >=20 >=20 > The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.=20 >=20 > Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 > http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 >=20 > http://www.webex.com=20 >=20 > CCP:+14087926300x969402420#=20 >=20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From conte@isoc.org Wed Dec 14 08:57:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF9021F8BD3 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:57:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XgnuW2W9ahOo for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.154]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D137D21F8BBF for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp55.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CCE342E07AB for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:57:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp55.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: conte-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id D003F2E09C1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:56:54 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Conte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:56:53 -0800 Message-Id: <6F0B7F39-9C34-4211-8558-97D0EB095DFB@isoc.org> To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call - 14 Dec 2011 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:57:21 -0000 Tools Call - 14 Dec 2011 Attendees: Russ Housley Robert Sparks Steve Conte Bob Hinden Alice Hagens Peter Saint Andre Glen Barney Alexa Morris Tony Hansen Karen Moreland Ryan Cross Ray Pelletier 1. Projects In Work Update - Henrik a. Back End Development - IOLA b. Draft Tracking Tool - Yaco 2. AMS Projects in Work Update - AMS RC: in Denmark, looked at 8 top tools to see what it would take to = convert it and started working on each of the tools. Have a good idea of what it'll take (no = suprises). Telechat tool to be finished before holiday break, then move to testing sessions tool is complete RH: When would testing be completed for all 8 of them? RC: broke up those tools that HAVE to be ready at conversion. 10 days = to complete very minimum set of tools. RH: End of January? RC: it should be a. Secretariat Tools Conversion - Way Forward KM: plan was rolled out by HL about how conversion process would take = place. KM suggest that this be flushed out a bit more for better understanding. RH: Pls set up call to discuss this. Right after the holidays b. Agenda Scheduling Tool SOW AM: still working on incorporating the comments. Can have it finished = by end of week/beginning of next week if needed. RH: Next step would be to bundle into RFP and discuss w/ community = before release of RFP RP: SoW going to IAOC on Jan 9. No RFP to be put out before Jan=20 3. Taipei Code Sprint RP: HL had passport issue and was delayed in arrival.. missed part of = the sprint. How can we structure things to be more robust and alleviate single point = of failure RjS: Will require additional pre-work with HL to ensure that we have = redunancy (for set up) or=20 enough setup done and tested prior. Sprints put stress on infrastructure that at other times wouldn't = receive that stress RjS to discuss with HL about how to diminish the risk of single point of = dependancies Thing that slowed it down the most was database replication issues that = were deep inside areas that HL is maintaining GB: had success with Antony (working with HL) and may be a good person = to be the redundant point=20 RH: Antony should have the proper access.. RjS to determine if he has = enough knowledge of the=20 infrastructure RjS: Regardless, much was accomplished. Just different than intended=20 RjS: Sprint related, but not necessarily Taipei. Would like to explore = ways to encourage people who have been productive at past sprints to make it to future sprints. = Brainstorming. Some ideas are to give financial support (plane ride). PSA: Always prizes or other incentives. May be a way to get new people = involved. 4. Mission Critical Tools rfcdiff RH: Issue is rfcdiff isn't very useful unless you have old ver of IDs = onhand. GB: Will provide single directory on ietf servers which will contain = symlinks to all IDs that=20 are available. 2 primary sources for drafts (FTP and Draft Archive). = Decicion to make Draft Archive public has been made. Some drafts from past are missing. HL had a copy = of those and efforts to=20 recover missing drafts is under way. =20 archive at ~/archive/id/ not sure of current status but HL has said that script is finished and = will be implmenting once done, tweak rfcdiff tool to point to new site and done RH: please send a note to HL to find out status of implementation=20 5. NomCom Tools TH: HL was last to touch them for NomCom11. Has proposals that are still = in work. =20 RH: tools are fairly fragile? TH: there are a certain number of things that are not designed well to = transport from one year to another. They don't separate the data repository from the tools = themselves and any given years data needs to be cleaned out prior to setting up tool for next year's = NomCom. TH: I'm probably the last person to make functional changes to the tool RH: looking for somehting more stable and something that secretariat can = do? Spend money to make=20 it happen? TH: during changes last year, had to make changes directly in the = structure. no place to make=20 changes that can be built and distributed where it's being actively = used. Confidentially is well protected (use PKI) and all data is encrypted. =20 RH: What's best way forward? TH: separate code from data. Could be done by either volunteer or by = contractor. =20 RH: Is there a specification on how tool should work? This could make = it easier to be less dependant on those who have gone through the NomCom process to understand the = code/flow TH: all specs to date have all dealt with new features RjS: Suggestion: if we have the time to do it, can we schedule the call = in Jan with TH and HL and other volunteers to try to get some knowledge transfer. Can get someone to = come in and capture conversation to find out what really does need to happen. Maybe have an empty = instance during the call so it=20 can be reviewed. TH: clone in non-production place would have to be done first to respect = confidentiality. RH: Who is able to clone? TH: Henrik GB: Believes that some of the tools are on the secretariat server, but = not fully sure. HL indicated=20 that the process of cloning was difficult but maybe it can be cloned = (with assist from HL) to clone on secretariat servers. RH: Would like this done before the NomCom after next. RH: TH, can you write a short SoW to work out how to get from current to = proposed? TH: Yes 6. Tracker Project Issues http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ProjectList=20= RH: (looking at Tracker Ext Project List) Status shows items that have been completed. =20 xml2rfc AH: main surprise was 5741 boiler plate wasn't working correctly, ticket = has been assigned RFC/IANA: backend issues. IANA response delayed as they respond to IANA = contract with DoC 7. AOB=09 RjS: Mail archive tool document has received the comments that will get. = Inside comments is=20 suggestion to change discussion about internationalized email. Person was asserting that EAI was done RjS: WG status is in the document. Suggest we take it out RH: Next step is to send out an RFC=20 ----- Steve Conte Internet Leadership Programmes The Internet Society conte@isoc.org From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Dec 14 13:46:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33ED11E80C1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:46:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAcZJ2cQo8hA for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A840A11E80B5 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:53235 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Rawea-0003im-VX; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:46:26 +0100 Message-ID: <4EE91926.9070908@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:46:14 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Hinden References: <0E7201A9-5497-49C2-820E-4A8B82752181@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0E7201A9-5497-49C2-820E-4A8B82752181@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: bob.hinden@gmail.com, rpelletier@isoc.org, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] AGENDA: Tools Call Wed 12-14-11 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:46:44 -0000 I'm sorry to have missed the call. The plan was to attend, but our (Netnod's) yearly Christmas lunch/dinner extended later than expected, and I missed the reminder during all the good cheer. My most sincere excuses to all. Henrik On 2011-12-14 05:59 Bob Hinden said the following: > I may not join the call, don't wait to start if I am not there. > > Bob > > On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > >> All; >> >> Draft Agenda for call. WebEx Details below. Russ will host the call. >> >> 1. Projects In Work Update - Henrik >> a. Back End Development - IOLA >> b. Draft Tracking Tool - Yaco >> >> 2. AMS Projects in Work Update - AMS >> a. Secretariat Tools Conversion - Way Forward >> b. Agenda Scheduling Tool SOW >> >> 3. Taipei Code Sprint >> >> 4. Mission Critical Tools >> >> 5. NomCom Tools >> >> 6. Tracker Project Issues >> http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ProjectList >> >> 7. 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Please note that any such recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation. >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From tony@att.com Wed Dec 14 19:41:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EAD21F84A2 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:41:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.545, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3weOtb3YSBG for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B023921F849C for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:41:31 -0800 (PST) X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1323920489!5883017!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.4.3; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 24531 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2011 03:41:30 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Dec 2011 03:41:30 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pBF3fwgx016175 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:41:58 -0500 Received: from sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (sflint01.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.228]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pBF3fpM2016137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:41:51 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:41:09 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pBF3f8fl020751 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:41:09 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pBF3f3Xl020485 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:41:05 -0500 Received: from [135.70.43.37] (vpn-135-70-43-37.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.43.37]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20111215033940gw100e4luhe> (Authid: tony); Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:39:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.43.37] Message-ID: <4EE96C4D.30904@att.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:41:01 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <6F0B7F39-9C34-4211-8558-97D0EB095DFB@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <6F0B7F39-9C34-4211-8558-97D0EB095DFB@isoc.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070409080507060502050701" X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call - 14 Dec 2011 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:41:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070409080507060502050701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/14/2011 11:56 AM, Steve Conte wrote: > ... > RH: Who is able to clone? > TH: Henrik > GB: Believes that some of the tools are on the secretariat server, but not fully sure. HL indicated > that the process of cloning was difficult but maybe it can be cloned (with assist from HL) to clone > on secretariat servers. > RH: Would like this done before the NomCom after next. > RH: TH, can you write a short SoW to work out how to get from current to proposed? > TH: Yes So, I had a quick exchange of email with Henrik about the nomcom tools. What follows is mostly my recollections with a few things thrown in by Henrik. Here is a quick overview of the nomcom tools. This should be a good starting point for generating a SOW. The nomcom tools can be split into two areas: the public view and the private view. Both the public and private view requires the user to log in to the tools.ietf.org domain. A private key is needed for access to individual comments. The public area is split into these sections: Home | Nominate | Requirements | Questionnaires | Provide Comments | Logout Info The private area has these additional sections: Help | Charter | Nominees | Enter Nomination | Feedback: Interview / 3rd-party | Templates | Send Email | CryptoKey | Wiki Where there are "duplicates" between the public and private areas, for example the public Nominate and the private Enter Nomination pages, the private versions typically do the same thing but allow you to enter additional information, such as entering a nomination on behalf of someone else. This allows for "anonymous" entries. The CryptoKey page is used to enter an individual's private key. It gets stored into a session cookie and is used to access individual comments. Without the private key, individual comments don't appear. (The 2010 CryptoKey page is broken now, so I can no longer enter my private key to look at pages needing it.) Some of information needs to be configured at the beginning of the year, such as the list of nomcom members, who the liaisons are, which positions are open, etc. The public home pages is filled in with similar information, but right now they're just written out and formatted however the (presumably) chair feels. A lot of those pages *could* be filled in automatically from the configuration files. Other information gets filled in as people are nominated and other people make comments. I did some poking around and found it interesting how much of the previous nomcom private sites are visible without being a member of those nomcoms. While I can't see what the individual comments are, I *can* tell who all was nominated for which positions, how many people made comments on each individual, who it was who made those comments, and when they made those comments. I tend to think that this is bad, and it appears to have been fixed for the 2011 pages. I can't log in to the server where the previous-years' tools are on at the moment (no response from the ssh server), so can't verify some things. So the following is from memory: The biggest thing I remember from the tools is that there is no separation whatsoever between the files that make up the web site, the files that are configuration (e.g., lists of members, positions, etc) or that get filled in once each year (e.g., the public intro page), and the data files that get created during the course of the nomcom season. Henrik has a script which will create an cleaned empty site for a new year's nomcom from the site of previous year's nomcom. In this way, you can't lose any of the changes/updates done during the previous year. I'm sure that the task could be simplified considerably by just introducing a couple subdirectories under the "private" root or in parallel trees -- one each for configurable files and the dynamic data files, and then moving the appropriate files into place. Such a separation shouldn't be too hard to do. The next step is to create a template for the configuration directory that contains unfilled-in versions of each of those files. The resulting code and configuration template could then be put into source control. At this point, deploying updates to an existing nomcom's site would be done from the source tree, instead of making changes directly to the live tree. Deploying an update would only change the web pages and not the configuration files or the associated data files. Similarly, creating a new version (say, for another year's nomcom) no longer requires copying a previous version and "cleaning it up" -- instead, you just deploy the new version into the new web area and configure it, just like all of our other tools. This also allows us to easily create a test version that can be used to work on a rewrite. The immediate enhancements to the nomcom site that I was envisioning were all oriented towards supporting the various votes that the nomcom takes while it does its work. Some of these are similar in many ways to the many survey sites that are out there, however would be managed specifically under our environment for privacy. But there are also some specific types of votes that it would be useful to support, such as supporting condorcet and weighted voting in addition to simpler votes like yes/no. The chair and co-chair will need to be able to look at the raw data, while individual voters should be able to look only at the results from the voting plus their own vote. The biggest code change needed to support this is that an additional private key will be needed for the chair and co-chair. Henrik does not think we should continue to carry the current code forward -- the site is ripe for a rewrite, and preferably a rewrite using Django. The old code was OK as an initial hack; it's now appropriate to do a new take on this. Tony --------------070409080507060502050701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/14/2011 11:56 AM, Steve Conte wrote:
...
RH: Who is able to clone?
TH: Henrik
GB: Believes that some of the tools are on the secretariat server, but not fully sure.  HL indicated 
that the process of cloning was difficult but maybe it can be cloned (with assist from HL) to clone
on secretariat servers.
RH: Would like this done before the NomCom after next.
RH: TH, can you write a short SoW to work out how to get from current to proposed?
TH: Yes

So, I had a quick exchange of email with Henrik about the nomcom tools. What follows is mostly my recollections with a few things thrown in by Henrik.

Here is a quick overview of the nomcom tools. This should be a good starting point for generating a SOW.

The nomcom tools can be split into two areas: the public view and the private view. Both the public and private view requires the user to log in to the tools.ietf.org domain. A private key is needed for access to individual comments.

The public area is split into these sections:
    Home | Nominate | Requirements | Questionnaires | Provide Comments | Logout Info

The private area has these additional sections:
    Help | Charter | Nominees | Enter Nomination | Feedback: Interview / 3rd-party | Templates | Send Email | CryptoKey | Wiki

Where there are "duplicates" between the public and private areas, for example the public Nominate and the private Enter Nomination pages, the private versions typically do the same thing but allow you to enter additional information, such as entering a nomination on behalf of someone else. This allows for "anonymous" entries.

The CryptoKey page is used to enter an individual's private key. It gets stored into a session cookie and is used to access individual comments. Without the private key, individual comments don't appear. (The 2010 CryptoKey page is broken now, so I can no longer enter my private key to look at pages needing it.)

Some of information needs to be configured at the beginning of the year, such as the list of nomcom members, who the liaisons are, which positions are open, etc.

The public home pages is filled in with similar information, but right now they're just written out and formatted however the (presumably) chair feels. A lot of those pages *could* be filled in automatically from the configuration files.

Other information gets filled in as people are nominated and other people make comments.


I did some poking around and found it interesting how much of the previous nomcom private sites are visible without being a member of those nomcoms. While I can't see what the individual comments are, I *can* tell who all was nominated for which positions, how many people made comments on each individual, who it was who made those comments, and when they made those comments. I tend to think that this is bad, and it appears to have been fixed for the 2011 pages.


I can't log in to the server where the previous-years' tools are on at the moment (no response from the ssh server), so can't verify some things. So the following is from memory:


The biggest thing I remember from the tools is that there is no separation whatsoever between the files that make up the web site, the files that are configuration (e.g., lists of members, positions, etc) or that get filled in once each year (e.g., the public intro page), and the data files that get created during the course of the nomcom season.

Henrik has a script which will create an cleaned empty site for a new year's nomcom from the site of previous year's nomcom. In this way, you can't lose any of the changes/updates done during the previous year.


I'm sure that the task could be simplified considerably by just introducing a couple subdirectories under the "private" root or in parallel trees -- one each for configurable files and the dynamic data files, and then moving the appropriate files into place. Such a separation shouldn't be too hard to do. The next step is to create a template for the configuration directory that contains unfilled-in versions of each of those files. The resulting code and configuration template could then be put into source control.

At this point, deploying updates to an existing nomcom's site would be done from the source tree, instead of making changes directly to the live tree. Deploying an update would only change the web pages and not the configuration files or the associated data files.

Similarly, creating a new version (say, for another year's nomcom) no longer requires copying a previous version and "cleaning it up" -- instead, you just deploy the new version into the new web area and configure it, just like all of our other tools.

This also allows us to easily create a test version that can be used to work on a rewrite.


The immediate enhancements to the nomcom site that I was envisioning were all oriented towards supporting the various votes that the nomcom takes while it does its work. Some of these are similar in many ways to the many survey sites that are out there, however would be managed specifically under our environment for privacy. But there are also some specific types of votes that it would be useful to support, such as supporting condorcet and weighted voting in addition to simpler votes like yes/no. The chair and co-chair will need to be able to look at the raw data, while individual voters should be able to look only at the results from the voting plus their own vote. The biggest code change needed to support this is that an additional private key will be needed for the chair and co-chair.


Henrik does not think we should continue to carry the current code forward -- the site is ripe for a rewrite, and preferably a rewrite using Django. The old code was OK as an initial hack; it's now appropriate to do a new take on this.

    Tony
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