From rpelletier@isoc.org Mon Oct 15 11:47:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2833F21F88A5 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:47:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.904 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.904 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.298, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CGsidwmX5VNS for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3000B21F889E for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp50.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id ACA643708D9 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:46:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp50.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 878AC3709B0 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:46:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Pelletier Ray Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-218-504948243 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:46:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 References: <1613492164.22307.1350326717434.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc106.webex.com> To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-Id: <21994A18-342D-41B3-B1BF-2D7745A011BE@isoc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Wednesday 11; 00 AM ET was Fwd: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:47:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-218-504948243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Begin forwarded message: > From: Ray Pelletier > Date: October 15, 2012 2:45:17 PM EDT > To: rpelletier@isoc.org > Subject: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte > Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org >=20 >=20 > **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****=20 >=20 > Hello ,=20 >=20 > Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting.=20 >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte=20 > Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012=20 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 > Meeting Number: 961 922 662=20 > Meeting Password: Tools=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D199210992&UID=3D0&PW=3DNZ= DkyYmFiMmE4&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Tools=20 > 4. Click "Join".=20 >=20 > To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D199210992&UID=3D0&PW=3DNZ= DkyYmFiMmE4&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the audio conference only=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490=20 > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 > Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D199210992&tollFree=3D1=20 > Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 >=20 > Access code:961 922 662=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > For assistance=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 > 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 >=20 > You can contact me at:=20 > rpelletier@isoc.org=20 > 1-703-652-9534=20 >=20 > To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D199210992&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= I&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DboQ-K2GgFdPxo8H9d9uHv/6ZULpkt3bQebJI0Q4ZS2U=3D= &RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 > The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.=20 >=20 > Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 > http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 >=20 > http://www.webex.com=20 >=20 > CCP:+14087926300x961922662#=20 >=20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20 --Apple-Mail-218-504948243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
From: Ray Pelletier = <messenger@webex.com>
=
Date: October 15, 2012 = 2:45:17 PM EDT
To: rpelletier@isoc.org
Subject: (Forward to = attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte
Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org


**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees = ****

Hello ,

Ray Pelletier invites you to attend = this online meeting.

Topic: Tools Cmte
Date: Wednesday, = October 17, 2012
Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, = GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 961 922 662
Meeting Password: Tools =


------------------------------------------------------- =
To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
= -------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1992109= 92&UID=3D0&PW=3DNZDkyYmFiMmE4&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
2. = If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password = is required, enter the meeting password: Tools
4. Click "Join". =

To view in other time zones or languages, please click the = link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1992109= 92&UID=3D0&PW=3DNZDkyYmFiMmE4&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
=
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To receive = a call back, provide your phone number when you join the meeting, or = call the number below and enter the access code.
Call-in toll-free = number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): = 1-408-792-6300
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Access code:961 922 662

= -------------------------------------------------------
For = assistance
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1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc
2. = On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

You can contact = me at:
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= 1-703-652-9534

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= --Apple-Mail-218-504948243-- From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Oct 15 12:04:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355F221F8808 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10sycg5GdXzC for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9A121F880F for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([4.30.77.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q9FJ4Meo019839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:04:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <507C5E36.7060500@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:04:22 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <1613492164.22307.1350326717434.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc106.webex.com> <21994A18-342D-41B3-B1BF-2D7745A011BE@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <21994A18-342D-41B3-B1BF-2D7745A011BE@isoc.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010205040107020509050007" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 4.30.77.1 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Wednesday 11; 00 AM ET was Fwd: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:04:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010205040107020509050007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regrets (will be in the air). RjS On 10/15/12 1:46 PM, Pelletier Ray wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From: *Ray Pelletier > >> *Date: *October 15, 2012 2:45:17 PM EDT >> *To: *rpelletier@isoc.org >> *Subject: **(Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte* >> *Reply-To: *rpelletier@isoc.org >> >> >> **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees **** >> >> Hello , >> >> Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting. >> >> Topic: Tools Cmte >> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 >> Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) >> Meeting Number: 961 922 662 >> Meeting Password: Tools >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> 1. Go to >> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=199210992&UID=0&PW=NZDkyYmFiMmE4&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D >> >> 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. >> 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Tools >> 4. Click "Join". >> >> To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: >> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=199210992&UID=0&PW=NZDkyYmFiMmE4&ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> To join the audio conference only >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the >> meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code. >> Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490 >> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300 >> Global call-in numbers: >> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=MC&ED=199210992&tollFree=1 >> >> Toll-free dialing restrictions: >> http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf >> >> Access code:961 922 662 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> For assistance >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc >> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". >> >> You can contact me at: >> rpelletier@isoc.org >> 1-703-652-9534 >> >> To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft >> Outlook), click this link: >> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=199210992&UID=0&ICS=MI&LD=1&RD=2&ST=1&SHA2=boQ-K2GgFdPxo8H9d9uHv/6ZULpkt3bQebJI0Q4ZS2U=&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D >> >> >> The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media >> files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media >> files in the meeting, please check whether you have the players >> installed on your computer by going to >> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php. >> >> Sign up for a free trial of WebEx >> http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial >> >> http://www.webex.com >> >> CCP:+14087926300x961922662# >> >> IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows >> audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed >> during the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you >> automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to >> the recording, discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to >> the start of the recording or do not join the session. Please note >> that any such recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of >> litigation. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------010205040107020509050007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Regrets (will be in the air).

RjS

On 10/15/12 1:46 PM, Pelletier Ray wrote:


Begin forwarded message:

From: Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com>
Date: October 15, 2012 2:45:17 PM EDT
Subject: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte


**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****

Hello ,

Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting.

Topic: Tools Cmte
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 961 922 662
Meeting Password: Tools


-------------------------------------------------------
To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=199210992&UID=0&PW=NZDkyYmFiMmE4&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D
2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Tools
4. Click "Join".

To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=199210992&UID=0&PW=NZDkyYmFiMmE4&ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D

-------------------------------------------------------
To join the audio conference only
-------------------------------------------------------
To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.
Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300
Global call-in numbers: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=MC&ED=199210992&tollFree=1
Toll-free dialing restrictions: http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf

Access code:961 922 662

-------------------------------------------------------
For assistance
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc
2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

You can contact me at:
rpelletier@isoc.org
1-703-652-9534

To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=199210992&UID=0&ICS=MI&LD=1&RD=2&ST=1&SHA2=boQ-K2GgFdPxo8H9d9uHv/6ZULpkt3bQebJI0Q4ZS2U=&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D

The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your computer by going to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.

Sign up for a free trial of WebEx
http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial

http://www.webex.com

CCP:+14087926300x961922662#

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.



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--------------010205040107020509050007-- From housley@vigilsec.com Wed Oct 24 07:03:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679CD21F8B7E for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UhJdvm2FCwXu for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D064121F8B71 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9E39A4004 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:03:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y3WXUQWrgxJK for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-96-255-37-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.255.37.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1649A4001 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:03:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <021c01cdb1eb$71282660$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Change in I-D announcement format X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:03:39 -0000 What change was deployed? Was this intentional? Russ Begin forwarded message: > From: t.p. > Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT > To: Russ Housley > Cc: IETF discussion list > Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format > > And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in > addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, or > may not be, the appearance seems random, of > > Subject: New Version Notification - > > e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long > it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then like > my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. > > Tom Petch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Housley" > To: "Brian E Carpenter" > Cc: "IETF discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format > > > Brian: > > There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; > however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with a > request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text > version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the > Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff with > just one more click. > > Russ > > > On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >> I-D announcement messages? >> >> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >> automatically. >> >> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. >> >> -- >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >> >> > > > From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Oct 24 11:36:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D436221F859D for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.604 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.604 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mNw0lhFHXH19 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369F621F8593 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h25n7-s-oev-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com ([81.229.146.25]:54803 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TR5ml-0002rp-JX; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:35:36 +0200 Message-ID: <508834B2.2050201@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:34:26 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.9) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/10.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <021c01cdb1eb$71282660$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.229.146.25 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Change in I-D announcement format X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:36:20 -0000 Hi Russ, On 2012-10-24 16:03 Russ Housley said the following: > What change was deployed? Was this intentional? I'm not aware of having deployed any change related to these 'new' notification emails for a long time. The 'New Version Notification' emails came in when we fixed some missing features in the submission tool. The relevant release was v3.53, released 4 May 2011 (18 months ago). I'm also not aware of having removed any notification emails that Tom is used to seeing, but it would be easier to check that given information of which emails he considers to be the usual announcements. Maybe I should add ietf-announce@ietf.org to the recipients of the standard release emails for the datatracker? Best regards, Henrik > Russ > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: t.p. >> Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT >> To: Russ Housley >> Cc: IETF discussion list >> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >> >> And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in >> addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, or >> may not be, the appearance seems random, of >> >> Subject: New Version Notification - >> >> e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long >> it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then like >> my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. >> >> Tom Petch >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Russ Housley" >> To: "Brian E Carpenter" >> Cc: "IETF discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM >> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >> >> >> Brian: >> >> There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; >> however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with a >> request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text >> version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the >> Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff with >> just one more click. >> >> Russ >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >>> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >>> I-D announcement messages? >>> >>> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >>> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >>> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >>> automatically. >>> >>> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Brian Carpenter >>> >>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From housley@vigilsec.com Thu Oct 25 08:22:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2C521F9172 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z+yZRDgFDaH1 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F3421F916C for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFBA9A4004; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:22:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gse1Zf+LluJo; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-96-255-37-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.255.37.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6E49A4008; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <508834B2.2050201@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:22:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6DDC92A2-A653-49DE-BC92-A0EAD021C45C@vigilsec.com> References: <021c01cdb1eb$71282660$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <508834B2.2050201@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Change in I-D announcement format X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:22:23 -0000 I do not think the standard datatracker release messages are formatted = as announcements. But, I think you are on to something. Let's = brainstorm the right way to handle this without creating any additional = work for ourselves. Russ On Oct 24, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Russ, >=20 > On 2012-10-24 16:03 Russ Housley said the following: >> What change was deployed? Was this intentional? >=20 > I'm not aware of having deployed any change related to these 'new' = notification > emails for a long time. The 'New Version Notification' emails came in = when we > fixed some missing features in the submission tool. The relevant = release was > v3.53, released 4 May 2011 (18 months ago). >=20 > I'm also not aware of having removed any notification emails that Tom = is used > to seeing, but it would be easier to check that given information of = which > emails he considers to be the usual announcements. >=20 > Maybe I should add ietf-announce@ietf.org to the recipients of the = standard > release emails for the datatracker? >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >>> From: t.p. >>> Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT >>> To: Russ Housley >>> Cc: IETF discussion list >>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>>=20 >>> And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in >>> addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also = be, or >>> may not be, the appearance seems random, of >>>=20 >>> Subject: New Version Notification - >>>=20 >>> e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how = long >>> it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then = like >>> my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still = available. >>>=20 >>> Tom Petch >>>=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Russ Housley" >>> To: "Brian E Carpenter" >>> Cc: "IETF discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Brian: >>>=20 >>> There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; >>> however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with = a >>> request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text >>> version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the >>> Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff = with >>> just one more click. >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >>>> I-D announcement messages? >>>>=20 >>>> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >>>> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >>>> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >>>> automatically. >>>>=20 >>>> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> Brian Carpenter >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>=20 From housley@vigilsec.com Thu Oct 25 11:54:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAEC21F85AC for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.056, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0zAFvoSbo0V for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85CD21F8589 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47459A4001; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:54:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id izRdN7Wlvoj7; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-96-255-37-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.255.37.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8ED9A4006; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:54:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <021c01cdb1eb$71282660$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: t.p. X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Change in I-D announcement format X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:54:09 -0000 Tom: We do not see any changes that were made to the datatracker in over a = year that would cause different formatting. Please provide more details = so that we can figure out what might be going on. Russ Begin forwarded message: > From: t.p. > Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT > To: Russ Housley > Cc: IETF discussion list > Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >=20 > And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in > addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, = or > may not be, the appearance seems random, of >=20 > Subject: New Version Notification - >=20 > e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long > it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then = like > my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Housley" > To: "Brian E Carpenter" > Cc: "IETF discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >=20 >=20 > Brian: >=20 > There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; > however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with a > request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text > version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the > Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff = with > just one more click. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 > On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >=20 >> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >> I-D announcement messages? >>=20 >> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >> automatically. >>=20 >> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. >>=20 >> -- >> Regards >> Brian Carpenter >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Oct 25 15:14:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6BD21F8640 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:14:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P6VPdvbJIFsq for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6D621F86E1 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h25n7-s-oev-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com ([81.229.146.25]:51643 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TRVh9-0002HI-PG; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:14:35 +0200 Message-ID: <5089B9C1.7050909@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:14:25 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.9) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/10.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <021c01cdb1eb$71282660$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <508834B2.2050201@levkowetz.com> <6DDC92A2-A653-49DE-BC92-A0EAD021C45C@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <6DDC92A2-A653-49DE-BC92-A0EAD021C45C@vigilsec.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.229.146.25 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Change in I-D announcement format X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:14:51 -0000 On 2012-10-25 17:22 Russ Housley said the following: > I do not think the standard datatracker release messages are formatted as announcements. But, I think you are on to something. Let's brainstorm the right way to handle this without creating any additional work for ourselves. Ack. I have a suggestion in the works. Henrik > Russ > > > On Oct 24, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi Russ, >> >> On 2012-10-24 16:03 Russ Housley said the following: >>> What change was deployed? Was this intentional? >> >> I'm not aware of having deployed any change related to these 'new' notification >> emails for a long time. The 'New Version Notification' emails came in when we >> fixed some missing features in the submission tool. The relevant release was >> v3.53, released 4 May 2011 (18 months ago). >> >> I'm also not aware of having removed any notification emails that Tom is used >> to seeing, but it would be easier to check that given information of which >> emails he considers to be the usual announcements. >> >> Maybe I should add ietf-announce@ietf.org to the recipients of the standard >> release emails for the datatracker? >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> >>> Russ >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: t.p. >>>> Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT >>>> To: Russ Housley >>>> Cc: IETF discussion list >>>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>>> >>>> And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in >>>> addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, or >>>> may not be, the appearance seems random, of >>>> >>>> Subject: New Version Notification - >>>> >>>> e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long >>>> it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then like >>>> my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. >>>> >>>> Tom Petch >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Russ Housley" >>>> To: "Brian E Carpenter" >>>> Cc: "IETF discussion list" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>>> >>>> >>>> Brian: >>>> >>>> There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; >>>> however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with a >>>> request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text >>>> version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the >>>> Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff with >>>> just one more click. >>>> >>>> Russ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>>> >>>>> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >>>>> I-D announcement messages? >>>>> >>>>> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >>>>> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >>>>> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >>>>> automatically. >>>>> >>>>> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Regards >>>>> Brian Carpenter >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>> > > From housley@vigilsec.com Fri Oct 26 06:30:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498F221F845C for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.541 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.541 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mMsTQvoDugBN for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C7E21F845A for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBA79A4005; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:30:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dVqL6+4uBy5w; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-96-255-37-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.255.37.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4F09A4001; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <024601cdb37d$a2b0ebc0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:29:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <021c01cdb1eb$71282660$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <024601cdb37d$a2b0ebc0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: t.p. X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Change in I-D announcement format X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:30:00 -0000 Tom: These appear (and have for many years) when there is an IESG member = holding a DISCUSS position on a document and a new version is posted. = The notice goes to the IESG member and the authors and the WG chairs. Russ On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:08 AM, t.p. wrote: > Sorry, I am being sloppy in my wording. >=20 > I was referring to a separate e-mail, with a subject line of > Subject: New Version Notification - ........ > which is appearing in parallel to the usual announcement of a new I-D > with a subject of > Subject: I-D Action > and more or less duplicates it. >=20 > One of the posts on the main list suggested that it came to ADs, = authors > and WG chairs and the like but in the case of eg > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6man-udpzero-07.txt > I am a nobody so I am unclear why it should have been sent to me. >=20 > I append the e-mail header > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Received: from DBXPRD0710HT005.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com = (10.255.79.168) > by > DBXPRD0710HT004.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.79.167) with > Microsoft SMTP > Server (TLS) id 14.16.224.5; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:00:08 +0000 > Received: from mail119-ch1-R.bigfish.com (216.32.181.175) by > DBXPRD0710HT005.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.79.168) with > Microsoft SMTP > Server (TLS) id 14.16.224.5; 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charset=3D"us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: > Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > Return-Path: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SCL: 1 > X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AVStamp-Mailbox: MSFTFF;1;0;0 0 0 > X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: > DBXPRD0710HT005.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com > X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous > MIME-Version: 1.0 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ Housley" > To: "t.p." > Cc: "IETF Tools Development" > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >=20 >=20 > Tom: >=20 > We do not see any changes that were made to the datatracker in over a > year that would cause different formatting. Please provide more = details > so that we can figure out what might be going on. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: t.p. >> Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT >> To: Russ Housley >> Cc: IETF discussion list >> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>=20 >> And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in >> addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, > or >> may not be, the appearance seems random, of >>=20 >> Subject: New Version Notification - >>=20 >> e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how = long >> it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then > like >> my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. >>=20 >> Tom Petch >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Russ Housley" >> To: "Brian E Carpenter" >> Cc: "IETF discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM >> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>=20 >>=20 >> Brian: >>=20 >> There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; >> however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with = a >> request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text >> version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the >> Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff > with >> just one more click. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>=20 >>> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >>> I-D announcement messages? >>>=20 >>> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >>> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >>> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >>> automatically. >>>=20 >>> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Brian Carpenter >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 >=20 >=20 From rjsparks@nostrum.com Fri Oct 26 07:12:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B11E21F853B for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBkohcbJ8EwU for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B91321F8634 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-173-57-93-208.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.93.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q9QECEXY073159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:12:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <508A9A40.6020302@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:12:16 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <021c01cdb1eb$71282660$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <024601cdb37d$a2b0ebc0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070905070508010408040906" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.57.93.208 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: IETF Tools Development , "t.p." Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Change in I-D announcement format X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:12:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070905070508010408040906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom: The tracker allows additional addresses to added to the list Russ describes. Those addresses show on the datatracker's view of the document. In this particular document's case: the "Send Notices to" field contains 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-6man-udpzero@tools.ietf.org, ipv6@ietf.org You received it via the ipv6@ietf.org list (see the List-* headers in the header you copied below). The history tab captured who put it there: 2012-10-04 06 Brian Haberman Notification list changed to : 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org , draft-ietf-6man-udpzero@tools.ietf.org , ipv6@ietf.org Hope that helps, RjS On 10/26/12 8:29 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tom: > > These appear (and have for many years) when there is an IESG member holding a DISCUSS position on a document and a new version is posted. The notice goes to the IESG member and the authors and the WG chairs. > > Russ > > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:08 AM, t.p. wrote: > >> Sorry, I am being sloppy in my wording. >> >> I was referring to a separate e-mail, with a subject line of >> Subject: New Version Notification - ........ >> which is appearing in parallel to the usual announcement of a new I-D >> with a subject of >> Subject: I-D Action >> and more or less duplicates it. >> >> One of the posts on the main list suggested that it came to ADs, authors >> and WG chairs and the like but in the case of eg >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6man-udpzero-07.txt >> I am a nobody so I am unclear why it should have been sent to me. >> >> I append the e-mail header >> ========================================== >> Received: from DBXPRD0710HT005.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.79.168) >> by >> DBXPRD0710HT004.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.79.167) with >> Microsoft SMTP >> Server (TLS) id 14.16.224.5; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:00:08 +0000 >> Received: from mail119-ch1-R.bigfish.com (216.32.181.175) by >> DBXPRD0710HT005.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.255.79.168) with >> Microsoft SMTP >> Server (TLS) id 14.16.224.5; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:00:07 +0000 >> Received: from mail119-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by >> mail119-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB08FA01B6 for >> ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:00:06 +0000 (UTC) >> X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: >> CIP:64.170.98.30;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:mail.ietf.org;RD:mail.i >> etf.org;EFVD:NLI >> X-SpamScore: -22 >> X-BigFish: >> ps-22(zzzz1202h1d1ah1d2ahzz1033IL17326ah8275dhz2fhfI11Ieh5fh668h839h944h >> d24h107ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h137ah13b6h13eah1441h14ddh1504h1155h) >> Received-SPF: pass (mail119-ch1: domain of ietf.org designates >> 64.170.98.30 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.170.98.30; >> envelope-from=ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; helo=mail.ietf.org ;ail.ietf.org ; >> Received: from mail119-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by >> mail119-ch1 >> (MessageSwitch) id 1350896405126256_8943; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:00:05 >> +0000 >> (UTC) >> Received: from CH1EHSMHS043.bigfish.com >> (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com >> [10.43.68.241]) by mail119-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id >> 1308F34005B for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:00:05 +0000 >> (UTC) >> Received: from mail.ietf.org (64.170.98.30) by CH1EHSMHS043.bigfish.com >> (10.43.69.252) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Mon, 22 Oct >> 2012 >> 09:00:04 +0000 >> Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com >> (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF9221F88AF; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 01:58:52 -0700 >> (PDT) >> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; >> s=ietf1; >> t=1350896333; bh=iOBc7kxvfTyQxl6Jy57tu9E6L5EYOZQwECLc2p462eo=; >> h=MIME-Version:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:List-Id: >> List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: >> Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; >> b=C9ZaBpqLHLyosiZrGye9K92fRS/+/pv6aaA1EqH3Nt3hWm42arKOCKCQt8bsOWaeb >> jCs+AOyLqSscQvu1db0D8Uv9jWqw9c7NbpSYNWKpvwRtQ5RSB5/T5IEk47rXuoY1UW >> 4KZUy5W2JG+7CKcrbmq69ezT0GL0N28kREpoyAzY= >> X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com >> Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com >> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com >> (Postfix) >> with ESMTP id C094121F86EB for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 >> 01:58:44 -0700 (PDT) >> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com >> X-Spam-Flag: NO >> X-Spam-Score: -102.401 >> X-Spam-Level: >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 >> tests=[AWL=-0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Z=0.259, >> USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] >> Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost >> (ietfa.amsl.com >> [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XVpsDZZccbRh; Mon, >> 22 >> Oct 2012 01:58:44 -0700 (PDT) >> Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com >> (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60D221F8623; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 01:58:43 -0700 >> (PDT) >> From: >> To: <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, >> , >> , , , >> >> Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-6man-udpzero-07.txt >> X-Test-IDTracker: no >> X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 >> Message-ID: <20121022085843.27941.90525.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> >> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 01:58:43 -0700 >> X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org >> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 >> Precedence: list >> List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" >> List-Unsubscribe: , >> >> List-Archive: >> List-Post: >> List-Help: >> List-Subscribe: , >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Sender: >> Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org >> Return-Path: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org >> X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SCL: 1 >> X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AVStamp-Mailbox: MSFTFF;1;0;0 0 0 >> X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: >> DBXPRD0710HT005.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com >> X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> ============================================== >> >> Tom Petch >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Russ Housley" >> To: "t.p." >> Cc: "IETF Tools Development" >> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >> >> >> Tom: >> >> We do not see any changes that were made to the datatracker in over a >> year that would cause different formatting. Please provide more details >> so that we can figure out what might be going on. >> >> Russ >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: t.p. >>> Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT >>> To: Russ Housley >>> Cc: IETF discussion list >>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>> >>> And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in >>> addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, >> or >>> may not be, the appearance seems random, of >>> >>> Subject: New Version Notification - >>> >>> e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long >>> it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then >> like >>> my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still available. >>> >>> Tom Petch >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Russ Housley" >>> To: "Brian E Carpenter" >>> Cc: "IETF discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>> >>> >>> Brian: >>> >>> There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed; >>> however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started with a >>> request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text >>> version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the >>> Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff >> with >>> just one more click. >>> >>> Russ >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> >>>> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >>>> I-D announcement messages? >>>> >>>> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >>>> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >>>> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >>>> automatically. >>>> >>>> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> Brian Carpenter >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------070905070508010408040906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Tom:

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You received it via the ipv6@ietf.org list (see the List-* headers in the header you copied below).

The history tab captured who put it there:
2012-10-04 06 Brian Haberman Notification list changed to : 6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-6man-udpzero@tools.ietf.org, ipv6@ietf.org

Hope that helps,

RjS

On 10/26/12 8:29 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
Tom:

These appear (and have for many years) when there is an IESG member holding a DISCUSS position on a document and a new version is posted.  The notice goes to the IESG member and the authors and the WG chairs.

Russ


On Oct 26, 2012, at 7:08 AM, t.p. wrote:

Sorry, I am being sloppy in my wording.

I was referring to a separate e-mail, with a subject line of
Subject: New Version Notification - ........
which is appearing in parallel to the usual announcement of a new I-D
with a subject of
Subject: I-D Action
and more or less duplicates it.

One of the posts on the main list suggested that it came to ADs, authors
and WG chairs and the like but in the case of eg
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6man-udpzero-07.txt
I am a nobody so I am unclear why it should have been sent to me.

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Tom Petch


----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Housley" <housley@vigilsec.com>
To: "t.p." <daedulus@btconnect.com>
Cc: "IETF Tools Development" <tools-development@ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format


Tom:

We do not see any changes that were made to the datatracker in over a
year that would cause different formatting.  Please provide more details
so that we can figure out what might be going on.

Russ


Begin forwarded message:

From: t.p. <daedulus@btconnect.com>
Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Cc: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format

And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in
addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be,
or
may not be, the appearance seems random, of

Subject: New Version Notification -

e-mails.  This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long
it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I then
like
my conclusion.  And whether or not what I rely on is still available.

Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Housley" <housley@vigilsec.com>
To: "Brian E Carpenter" <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: "IETF discussion list" <ietf@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format


Brian:

There was no announcement that this change was about to be deployed;
however, there was a long discussion of the change.  It started with a
request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text
version.  At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the
Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff
with
just one more click.

Russ


On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of
I-D announcement messages?

There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's
mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks)
and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages
automatically.

At least, I would have expected a warning message about the change.

--
Regards
Brian Carpenter




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Send it if you like, or we can = talk at the codesprint. Russ On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 > On 2012-10-25 17:22 Russ Housley said the following: >> I do not think the standard datatracker release messages are = formatted as announcements. But, I think you are on to something. = Let's brainstorm the right way to handle this without creating any = additional work for ourselves. >=20 > Ack. I have a suggestion in the works. >=20 > Henrik >=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >> On Oct 24, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi Russ, >>>=20 >>> On 2012-10-24 16:03 Russ Housley said the following: >>>> What change was deployed? Was this intentional? >>>=20 >>> I'm not aware of having deployed any change related to these 'new' = notification >>> emails for a long time. The 'New Version Notification' emails came = in when we >>> fixed some missing features in the submission tool. The relevant = release was >>> v3.53, released 4 May 2011 (18 months ago). >>>=20 >>> I'm also not aware of having removed any notification emails that = Tom is used >>> to seeing, but it would be easier to check that given information of = which >>> emails he considers to be the usual announcements. >>>=20 >>> Maybe I should add ietf-announce@ietf.org to the recipients of the = standard >>> release emails for the datatracker? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Best regards, >>>=20 >>> Henrik >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>=20 >>>>> From: t.p. >>>>> Date: October 24, 2012 9:28:16 AM EDT >>>>> To: Russ Housley >>>>> Cc: IETF discussion list >>>>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>>>>=20 >>>>> And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in >>>>> addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also = be, or >>>>> may not be, the appearance seems random, of >>>>>=20 >>>>> Subject: New Version Notification - >>>>>=20 >>>>> e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how = long >>>>> it takes me to work out what is happening and whether or not I = then like >>>>> my conclusion. And whether or not what I rely on is still = available. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Tom Petch >>>>>=20 >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Russ Housley" >>>>> To: "Brian E Carpenter" >>>>> Cc: "IETF discussion list" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Change in I-D announcement format >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Brian: >>>>>=20 >>>>> There was no announcement that this change was about to be = deployed; >>>>> however, there was a long discussion of the change. It started = with a >>>>> request for the HTML version of the I-D instead of the plain text >>>>> version. At the end of the discussion the decision was to use the >>>>> Datatracker URL as it allows anyone to get the plaintext or a diff = with >>>>> just one more click. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Russ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Did I miss an announcement of the change in format of >>>>>> I-D announcement messages? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> There's no longer a URL for the standard .txt format. That's >>>>>> mildly annoying for me (extra time and extra mouse clicks) >>>>>> and must be a nuisance for anyone who processes these messages >>>>>> automatically. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> At least, I would have expected a warning message about the = change. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Brian Carpenter >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>=20 >>=20 >>=20