From nobody Wed Oct 5 12:05:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1B212941C for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 12:05:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.996] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QP3P5aRaWfQl for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 12:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAE8A129408 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 11:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.57.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u95IwbTZ040931 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 13:58:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.57.161.14] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <00972819-ac8d-8842-879f-d5c4b7ba863d@nostrum.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <8c2a4f7d-0b13-c888-6a69-15b8f051c316@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 13:58:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------588D493593C9623BF7EBF74D" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 13 Sept. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 19:05:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------588D493593C9623BF7EBF74D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Ryan - I just noticed that we are not adding the Archived-At header for messages that go through these lists. How hard would it be to do that? RjS On 9/15/16 4:17 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: > Per direction on the Tools Call, the rfc-interest and rfc-dist mailing > lists have been added to the IETF Mail Archive here: > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=rfc-interest > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=rfc-dist > > This includes historic messages and all new messages. > > Ryan Cross > AMS > > >> On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Heather Flanagan > > wrote: >> >> Adding my own comments >> >> On September 9, 2016 at 9:35:15 AM, Robert Sparks >> (rjsparks@nostrum.com ) wrote: >> >>> - Addingrfc-editor.org mail lists to the archive -- Robert >>> >>> I think what we're primarily looking for on the call is a high-level >>> "do this" or not. >>> A design decision to be made is whether to add these to the instance >>> we have at mailarchive so that one search will search all the lists, >>> or spin up another copy that is rfc-editor list specific. I lean >>> strongly towards the first. But that brings up a technical issue >>> with how to get the bits to the ingestor as new messages arrive, >>> since those lists are hosted on different machines. >> >> >> I think making the rfc-interest list more easily searchable by the >> community most likely to do so is a Very Good Idea. I say we do this, >> and have the mailarchive search all the lists. >> >> >>>> - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe >>>> >>>> 3. RFC Services Projects >>>> - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather >>>> -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics >>>> >>> >> >> This is done. >> >>>> >>>> - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather >>>> - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert >>>> >>> >>> I don't think there's anything new to report about these SoWs >>> per-se. They were updated since we last met. >>> Should this bullet be replaced with something talking about the >>> progress of the RFP? >> >> >> I am Very Anxious that the RFP has not been posted. We’re six weeks >> behind where I thought we’d be, and I don’t understand why. I thought >> we’d agreed that the RFPs would go to the IAOC and out as soon as >> possible after the docs were approved for publication? >> >> >>> - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather >>> >>> >> >> I have heard rumor that we have a potential bidder on this. I need >> others to look at this (if it’s true) since there may something that >> looks like a conflict of interest for me with it. >> >> >> -- >> Heather Flanagan >> RFC Series Editor >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------588D493593C9623BF7EBF74D Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Ryan -

I just noticed that we are not adding the Archived-At header for messages that go through these lists. How hard would it be to do that?

RjS


On 9/15/16 4:17 PM, Ryan Cross wrote:
Per direction on the Tools Call, the rfc-interest and rfc-dist mailing lists have been added to the IETF Mail Archive here:


This includes historic messages and all new messages.

Ryan Cross
AMS


On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Heather Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

Adding my own comments

On September 9, 2016 at 9:35:15 AM, Robert Sparks (rjsparks@nostrum.com) wrote:

   - Adding rfc-editor.org mail lists to the archive -- Robert
I think what we're primarily looking for on the call is a high-level "do this" or not.
A design decision to be made is whether to add these to the instance we have at mailarchive so that one search will search all the lists, or spin up another copy that is rfc-editor list specific. I lean strongly towards the first. But that brings up a technical issue with how to get the bits to the ingestor as new messages arrive, since those lists are hosted on different machines.


I think making the rfc-interest list more easily searchable by the community most likely to do so is a Very Good Idea. I say we do this, and have the mailarchive search all the lists. 


   - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe

3. RFC Services Projects
   - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather
     -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics



This is done.


   - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather
   - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert

I don't think there's anything new to report about these SoWs per-se. They were updated since we last met.
Should this bullet be replaced with something talking about the progress of the RFP?


I am Very Anxious that the RFP has not been posted. We’re six weeks behind where I thought we’d be, and I don’t understand why. I thought we’d agreed that the RFPs would go to the IAOC and out as soon as possible after the docs were approved for publication?


   - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather


I have heard rumor that we have a potential bidder on this. I need others to look at this (if it’s true) since there may something that looks like a conflict of interest for me with it.


-- 
Heather Flanagan
RFC Series Editor
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--------------588D493593C9623BF7EBF74D-- From nobody Thu Oct 6 08:04:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C071296C4 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XnfiCdLUwmti for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04A30129695 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A134300A20 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id f6KwuqQCpGMU for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F5073002AD for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7297EB34-5902-4849-926F-72A777BDF148@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:02:31 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 15:04:19 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Review Tracking - Meeting Materials Management and Proceedings -- Robert - Author Statistics -- Russ - Libraries for HTML of I-Ds -- Henrik 2. Community & Other Projects - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe 3. RFC Services Projects - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik 5. Server Infrastructure - Migrate toward Django 1.8, 1.9, and 1.10 -- Henrik - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub - Mailman support for internationalized email addresses 8. AOB From nobody Fri Oct 7 08:20:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61365129641 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:20:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjkt0Tdmqd18 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73EC1129426 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([47.186.56.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u97FKtx2019071 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 10:20:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.56.40] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <7297EB34-5902-4849-926F-72A777BDF148@vigilsec.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 10:20:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7297EB34-5902-4849-926F-72A777BDF148@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:20:58 -0000 On 10/6/16 10:02 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan We've had a lot of priority bugfix interrupts these last few weeks. Those have centered primarily around supporting the nomcom and draft submissions. Despite that, we have made significant progress on planned items - the new proceedings and meeting materials pages are live, and there is now a customized api for the iphone meeting app. Please skim the release notes for 6.33.1, 6.34.0, 6.34.1, and 6.34.2. The MergePlan has been updated to reflect what we expect to do in the next few weeks. > - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert > -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests Deployed. > -- Review Tracking Still very close to completion - commits have been high velocity the last week. I still expect to have this in production before Seoul. > - Meeting Materials Management and Proceedings -- Robert Deployed. You can get a feel for what the new proceedings will look like by looking at the most recent meetings. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/proceedings https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/proceedings Neither of those have been "finalized" so they still highlight missing materials and the Introduction elements haven't been filled in. The right thing will happen with those for 97. You can get a feel for the new material management by looking at pages like https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/session/lamps (Russ is ahead on getting materials loaded). Go to the sandbox and login as the chair of a group and look at a similar page for that group at ietf96 and ietf97 to see how uploading materials will work. > - Author Statistics -- Russ > - Libraries for HTML of I-Ds -- Henrik > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan > - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather > -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics > - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert We should be tracking the RFP rather than the SOWs now? > - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - Migrate toward Django 1.8, 1.9, and 1.10 -- Henrik > - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik > - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert > - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert > - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert > - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? > - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik > - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert > - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub > - Mailman support for internationalized email addresses > > 8. 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RFC Services Projects > - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather > -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics This one is done and should come off the list. > - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert > - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather The RFC Format-related RFPs went out on 20 September. I haven't seen any questions come in since. The Q&A period ended October 3rd. Proposals are due by October 17. The CSS RFP was awarded to Spherical Cow Group. I have a call with Arlen next week to talk about the next steps. -Heather From nobody Fri Oct 7 08:46:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EBD12952C for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:46:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MiQBksdvAJ7b for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36FCA129529 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 08:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:57966 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1bsXLr-0007TJ-2d; Fri, 07 Oct 2016 08:46:23 -0700 Message-ID: <57F7C347.5090004@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 17:46:15 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks , tools-development@ietf.org References: <7297EB34-5902-4849-926F-72A777BDF148@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bWRUXrkewf5m22dIdAKoFSXLbD4oJBL64" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:46:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --bWRUXrkewf5m22dIdAKoFSXLbD4oJBL64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-10-07 17:20, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 > On 10/6/16 10:02 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern >> >> 1. Datatracker Projects >> - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik >> -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan > We've had a lot of priority bugfix interrupts these last few weeks. > Those have centered primarily around supporting the nomcom and draft=20 > submissions. > Despite that, we have made significant progress on planned items - the = > new proceedings and meeting materials pages are live, and there is now = a=20 > customized api for the iphone meeting app. > Please skim the release notes for 6.33.1, 6.34.0, 6.34.1, and 6.34.2. >=20 > The MergePlan has been updated to reflect what we expect to do in the=20 > next few weeks. > >> - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert >> -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests > > Deployed. > >> -- Review Tracking > > Still very close to completion - commits have been high velocity the=20 > last week. I still expect to have this in production before Seoul. > >> - Meeting Materials Management and Proceedings -- Robert > > Deployed. >=20 > You can get a feel for what the new proceedings will look like by=20 > looking at the most recent meetings. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/proceedings > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/proceedings > Neither of those have been "finalized" so they still highlight missing = > materials and the Introduction elements haven't been filled in. > The right thing will happen with those for 97. >=20 > You can get a feel for the new material management by looking at pages = like > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/session/lamps (Russ is ahead on= =20 > getting materials loaded). > Go to the sandbox and login as the chair of a group and look at a=20 > similar page for that group at ietf96 and ietf97 to see how uploading=20 > materials will work. >=20 >> - Author Statistics -- Russ >> - Libraries for HTML of I-Ds -- Henrik Comes after Django upgrades and EAI work, as #14 in the PLAN file. >> 2. Community & Other Projects >> - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan >> - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe >> >> 3. RFC Services Projects >> - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather >> -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics >> - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert > We should be tracking the RFP rather than the SOWs now? >> - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather >> >> 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools >> - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henr= ik Imminent. Is #2 in the PLAN file, after merging proceedings code, which is already done to a large extent. The datatracker management command needed to create wikis and keep permissions, components, etc. up-to-date is pretty much done; might even be released before the call. Next up aft= er that release is to agree on the actual move with Glen and Matt. >> 5. Server Infrastructure >> - Migrate toward Django 1.8, 1.9, and 1.10 -- Henrik Currently #7 in the PLAN file, after Wiki glue, some database cleanup, review tracking merge, minor schema changes, and some new WG states. I'm thinking of moving it up to #5. I'd expect to start on this during October. >> - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik #13 in the PLAN file. After some thinking and reading this week on sql optimization this feels less urgent than before -- I believe it still will help us analyse where we can improve performance, but there are a number of effective actions we can take without this transition. Can be pushed back. >> - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik #14 and #15 in the PLAN file. Quite some way away. >> 6. IDIQ Contractors >> - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray >> >> 7. Parking Lot >> - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert >> - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Rob= ert >> - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Rober= t >> - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? >> - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik >> - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert >> - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub >> - Mailman support for internationalized email addresses >> >> 8. 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How will these be finalized for IETF 95 and 96? Russ From nobody Fri Oct 7 12:53:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C90512943D for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.996] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vs2begQ58mNH for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D83B129432 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([47.186.56.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u97JrqSt064276 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Oct 2016 14:53:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.56.40] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: Russ Housley References: <7297EB34-5902-4849-926F-72A777BDF148@vigilsec.com> <7973FF47-1E1A-4CF6-A4CA-AF7A7F458B34@vigilsec.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <685cd888-2fc6-8089-f694-d4e3381a1b12@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 14:53:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7973FF47-1E1A-4CF6-A4CA-AF7A7F458B34@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 19:53:56 -0000 On 10/7/16 2:31 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > Robert: > >> You can get a feel for what the new proceedings will look like by looking at the most recent meetings. >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/proceedings >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/proceedings >> Neither of those have been "finalized" so they still highlight missing materials and the Introduction elements haven't been filled in. >> The right thing will happen with those for 97. > How will these be finalized for IETF 95 and 96? I don't currently plan to finalize them. They are there to look at as examples (and they clearly say so on the page). To be complete: "finalizing" is a step the secretariat takes at with the new proceedings page to say "these are done and we don't expect them to change anymore". If you're logged in as the secretariat, a big "Finalize" button appears at the top of the page. Before finalization, the page shows as "Draft proceedings" and highlights missing materials. After finalization the page shows as "Proceedings". The ability to change anything that might appear on the page gets closed down to just the secretariat, and they get warnings if they try to change anything. Some of the pages in the Introduction section will get populated during that finalization process. > > Russ > From nobody Fri Oct 7 16:38:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D138129486 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jcdBwFd2IkWq for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E036129487 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A94F1E55B9 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0_KUeMTdUxO0 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.128.230] (50-248-196-145-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.248.196.145]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C24861E4BC5 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C54F626E-E2EE-4BF9-B7AC-230ECDB0210E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 16:37:58 -0700 References: <00972819-ac8d-8842-879f-d5c4b7ba863d@nostrum.com> <8c2a4f7d-0b13-c888-6a69-15b8f051c316@nostrum.com> To: IETF Tools Development In-Reply-To: <8c2a4f7d-0b13-c888-6a69-15b8f051c316@nostrum.com> Message-Id: <9657AF9B-DA1F-40D8-BDF4-9190BD603091@amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 13 Sept. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 23:38:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C54F626E-E2EE-4BF9-B7AC-230ECDB0210E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I believe Henrik implemented this feature for the ietf.org = lists so I can=E2=80=99t say. I am happy to assist = with deploying it on the RFC server if that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s required. - Ryan > On Oct 5, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ryan - >=20 > I just noticed that we are not adding the Archived-At header for = messages that go through these lists. How hard would it be to do that? >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 9/15/16 4:17 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: >> Per direction on the Tools Call, the rfc-interest and rfc-dist = mailing lists have been added to the IETF Mail Archive here: >>=20 >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=3Drfc-interest = >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=3Drfc-dist = >>=20 >> This includes historic messages and all new messages. >>=20 >> Ryan Cross >> AMS >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Heather Flanagan > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Adding my own comments >>>=20 >>> On September 9, 2016 at 9:35:15 AM, Robert Sparks = (rjsparks@nostrum.com ) wrote: >>>=20 >>>> - Adding rfc-editor.org mail lists to = the archive -- Robert >>>> I think what we're primarily looking for on the call is a = high-level "do this" or not. >>>> A design decision to be made is whether to add these to the = instance we have at mailarchive so that one search will search all the = lists, or spin up another copy that is rfc-editor list specific. I lean = strongly towards the first. But that brings up a technical issue with = how to get the bits to the ingestor as new messages arrive, since those = lists are hosted on different machines. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I think making the rfc-interest list more easily searchable by the = community most likely to do so is a Very Good Idea. I say we do this, = and have the mailarchive search all the lists.=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>> - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe >>>>>=20 >>>>> 3. RFC Services Projects >>>>> - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather >>>>> -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> This is done. >>>=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather >>>>> - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert >>>>=20 >>>> I don't think there's anything new to report about these SoWs = per-se. They were updated since we last met. >>>> Should this bullet be replaced with something talking about the = progress of the RFP? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I am Very Anxious that the RFP has not been posted. We=E2=80=99re = six weeks behind where I thought we=E2=80=99d be, and I don=E2=80=99t = understand why. I thought we=E2=80=99d agreed that the RFPs would go to = the IAOC and out as soon as possible after the docs were approved for = publication? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I have heard rumor that we have a potential bidder on this. I need = others to look at this (if it=E2=80=99s true) since there may something = that looks like a conflict of interest for me with it. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Heather Flanagan >>> RFC Series Editor >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development = >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_C54F626E-E2EE-4BF9-B7AC-230ECDB0210E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I believe Henrik implemented this feature for the ietf.org lists so I can=E2=80= =99t say.  I am happy to assist with deploying it on the RFC = server
if that=E2=80=99s what=E2=80=99s = required.

- = Ryan

On Oct 5, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Robert Sparks = <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

=20 =20

Hi = Ryan -

I just noticed that we are not adding the = Archived-At header for messages that go through these lists. How hard would it be to do that?

RjS


On 9/15/16 4:17 PM, Ryan Cross = wrote:
Per direction on the Tools Call, the rfc-interest and rfc-dist mailing lists have been added to the IETF Mail Archive here:


This includes historic messages and all new messages.

Ryan Cross
AMS


On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Heather = Flanagan <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

Adding my own comments

On September 9, 2016 at 9:35:15 AM, Robert Sparks (rjsparks@nostrum.com) wrote:

   - Adding rfc-editor.org mail lists to the archive -- Robert
I think what we're primarily looking for on the call is a high-level "do this" or not.
A design decision to be made is whether to add these to the instance we have at mailarchive so that one search will search all the lists, or spin up another copy that is rfc-editor list specific. I lean strongly towards the first. But that brings up a technical issue with how to get the bits to the ingestor as new messages arrive, since those lists are hosted on different machines.


I think making the rfc-interest list more easily searchable by the community most likely to do so is a Very Good Idea. I say we do this, and have the mailarchive search all the lists. 


   - IETF =
Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe

3. RFC Services Projects
   - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather
     -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics



This is done.

   - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather
   - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert

I don't think there's anything new to report about these SoWs per-se. They were updated since we last met.
Should this bullet be replaced with something talking about the progress of the RFP?


I am Very Anxious that the RFP has not = been posted. We=E2=80=99re six weeks behind where I thought = we=E2=80=99d be, and I don=E2=80=99t understand why. I thought = we=E2=80=99d agreed that the RFPs would go to the IAOC and out as soon as possible after the docs were approved for = publication?


   - CSS for the =
RFCs -- Heather


I have heard rumor that we have a potential bidder on this. I need others to look at this (if it=E2=80=99s true) since there may something = that looks like a conflict of interest for me with = it.


-- 
Heather Flanagan
RFC Series Editor
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= --Apple-Mail=_C54F626E-E2EE-4BF9-B7AC-230ECDB0210E-- From nobody Sat Oct 8 08:20:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4578A1295C4 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 08:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jtrCPhQM3jH9 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 446C31294FD for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B141300A45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:20:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id pJ7jSS2unH4x for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4057B3002BA; Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <685cd888-2fc6-8089-f694-d4e3381a1b12@nostrum.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:20:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <94DA8F8D-3EAC-41C3-8CE0-B735F5EABE1A@vigilsec.com> References: <7297EB34-5902-4849-926F-72A777BDF148@vigilsec.com> <7973FF47-1E1A-4CF6-A4CA-AF7A7F458B34@vigilsec.com> <685cd888-2fc6-8089-f694-d4e3381a1b12@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 11 Oct. 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 15:20:51 -0000 On Oct 7, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 10/7/16 2:31 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Robert: >>=20 >>> You can get a feel for what the new proceedings will look like by = looking at the most recent meetings. >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/proceedings >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/95/proceedings >>> Neither of those have been "finalized" so they still highlight = missing materials and the Introduction elements haven't been filled in. >>> The right thing will happen with those for 97. >> How will these be finalized for IETF 95 and 96? > I don't currently plan to finalize them. They are there to look at as = examples (and they clearly say so on the page). >=20 > To be complete: "finalizing" is a step the secretariat takes at with = the new proceedings page to say "these are done and we don't expect them = to change anymore". If you're logged in as the secretariat, a big = "Finalize" button appears at the top of the page. Before finalization, = the page shows as "Draft proceedings" and highlights missing materials. = After finalization the page shows as "Proceedings". The ability to = change anything that might appear on the page gets closed down to just = the secretariat, and they get warnings if they try to change anything. >=20 > Some of the pages in the Introduction section will get populated = during that finalization process. Got it. I guess I misunderstood your original comment. I thought that = at some point these would be =93finalized=94 and replace the previous = version of proceedings. 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charset="us-ascii" > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Ray Pelletier > Subject: (Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: Tools Cmte > Date: October 9, 2016 at 12:34:10 PM EDT > To: > Reply-To: >=20 > You can forward this invitation to others. > Hello, > Ray Pelletier invites you to join this WebEx meeting. > =20 > Tools Cmte > Tuesday, October 11, 2016 > 1:00 pm | Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) | 1 hr > Meeting number (access code): 829 213 727 > =20 > Add to Calendar = =09 > When it's time, join the meeting = . > =20 > Join by phone > 1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) > 1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Global call-in numbers = | Toll-free calling restrictions = > =20 > Can't join the meeting? > =20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and = other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be = discoverable in a legal matter. 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From: = Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com>
Subject: = (Forward to = others) WebEx meeting invitation: Tools Cmte
Date: = October 9, 2016 at 12:34:10 PM = EDT
Reply-To: = <rpelletier@isoc.org>

You can forward this invitation to = others.
Hello,
Ray Pelletier invites you to join this WebEx = meeting.
 
Tools = Cmte
Tuesday, October 11, 2016
1:00 pm  |  Eastern Daylight Time (New = York, GMT-04:00)  |  1 = hr
Meeting number (access code): 829 213 = 727
 
Add = to Calendar
When it's time, join = the meeting.
 
Join by phone
1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free = number (US/Canada)
1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll = number (US/Canada)
Global call-in = numbers  |  Toll-free calling = restrictions
 
Can't join the = meeting?
 
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx = service allows audio and other information sent during the session to be = recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this = session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not = consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not = join the = session.
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--Apple-Mail=_11569FE3-C067-42B8-B72E-92E239B13964-- --Apple-Mail=_E6CDE14E-4DBC-4715-B254-FD75C09E81F2-- From nobody Thu Oct 20 12:29:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9315D1296B3 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wIDlnovijrB8 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A75CF1295B0 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw2 (cmgw3 [10.0.90.83]) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C148D1763C3 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id xvV01t02J2SSUrH01vV3a1; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:29:04 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=PIacp5aC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=CH0kA5CcgfcA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=BqEg4_3jAAAA:8 a=YzagG6u7TZn99UzD1doA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=vtlLDZR39KEA:10 a=oTVx5TUZ2FwA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=0mFWnFbQd5xWBqmg7tTt:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=JRhV2QW93Emu9K4TvaoFS/7qewCh6ggjY3uIOdkSRqo=; b=k8tYA+JqbPdJ/APsyUXnb0Y/1J dIHo62zmNzzWUqs44FdV6v8VWpEBYPm1DUO9LsJFyKWXsPzqtTakI+BSn9XFXNF1213Hcj7C5FYZi CkOmYO/i/taZTe8Uaaan+AWf9; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:34183 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bxJ1S-0004pS-8X; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:29:02 -0600 To: Ryan Cross , IETF Tools Development References: <4F87CE69-1C7B-47A2-8CE1-B15FF49A5341@amsl.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <1f13b049-0985-6fab-b70b-b56dee4932a7@labn.net> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 15:28:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F87CE69-1C7B-47A2-8CE1-B15FF49A5341@amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1bxJ1S-0004pS-8X X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.85.191]:34183 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New IETF Email Archive Release X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 19:29:21 -0000 Hi, One thing I just ran across is that the old archive would automatically recognize links in text and provide them as clickable urls. This doesn't seem to be happening on the new tool. e.g., OLD https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00801.html NEW https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dlnex/5ZQM0AmEW4rkIxCp3-lfaljXV2g Lou On 10/5/2016 7:27 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: > A new release of the Mail Archive tool was deployed, v1.4.3. > https://mailarchive.ietf.org > > This release is the first of a number of incremental releases aimed at > supporting > RFC 7842. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7842.txt > > This release is primarily focused on section 2.5 Improve Support for > Mobile Devices. > More releases will follow. > > Regards, > Ryan From nobody Thu Oct 20 13:33:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425E91295DE for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:33:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h1Uw0GFfBPJ8 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 935E4129576 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F93300A04 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:33:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id uEZQd9mXb8NC for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.59.5.49] (unknown [195.77.81.228]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB0453004CB; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <1f13b049-0985-6fab-b70b-b56dee4932a7@labn.net> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:33:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F87CE69-1C7B-47A2-8CE1-B15FF49A5341@amsl.com> <1f13b049-0985-6fab-b70b-b56dee4932a7@labn.net> To: Ryan Cross X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New IETF Email Archive Release X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:33:49 -0000 This was not part of the SoW. Ryan, is it simple or hard? Russ On Oct 20, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, >=20 > One thing I just ran across is that the old archive would > automatically recognize links in text and provide them as clickable > urls. This doesn't seem to be happening on the new tool. >=20 > e.g., OLD = https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00801.html >=20 > NEW = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dlnex/5ZQM0AmEW4rkIxCp3-lfaljXV2g >=20 > Lou >=20 >=20 > On 10/5/2016 7:27 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: >> A new release of the Mail Archive tool was deployed, v1.4.3. >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org >>=20 >> This release is the first of a number of incremental releases aimed = at >> supporting=20 >> RFC 7842. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7842.txt >>=20 >> This release is primarily focused on section 2.5 Improve Support for >> Mobile Devices. >> More releases will follow. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Ryan >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Oct 20 13:41:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93F0129678 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:41:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wmUiRGmf-T6J for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8780A1294FE for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw2 (cmgw3 [10.0.90.83]) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A566E176860 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 14:40:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id xwgg1t00b2SSUrH01wgjWa; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 14:40:44 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=PIacp5aC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=CH0kA5CcgfcA:10 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=BqEg4_3jAAAA:8 a=q3_KkVITZmjFe5YBllsA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=vtlLDZR39KEA:10 a=oTVx5TUZ2FwA:10 a=Yz9wTY_ffGCQnEDHKrcv:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=0mFWnFbQd5xWBqmg7tTt:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=375SrGpB4i8Yx0Dc9LwJaPAHJv9Y1ZAUWz98QtmsGfU=; b=sj5CqR9HAsM19WjjySbt0oElv3 wBJM+uLJo0OfTxGFDHCEEw8ykRj9qW1/4HrYbTiJrUJed+ry8NnweZbgAj+E3Lf8UWTuaUUSwPOec O4FFh3ck6QGCkRkY3MbWW/cD6; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:54099 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bxK8n-0007Nv-S4; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 14:40:41 -0600 To: Russ Housley , Ryan Cross References: <4F87CE69-1C7B-47A2-8CE1-B15FF49A5341@amsl.com> <1f13b049-0985-6fab-b70b-b56dee4932a7@labn.net> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:40:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1bxK8n-0007Nv-S4 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.85.191]:54099 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 6 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New IETF Email Archive Release X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:41:02 -0000 On 10/20/2016 4:33 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > This was not part of the SoW. oh. I assumed this was a new bug. Oh well... > Ryan, is it simple or hard? > > Russ > > > On Oct 20, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> One thing I just ran across is that the old archive would >> automatically recognize links in text and provide them as clickable >> urls. This doesn't seem to be happening on the new tool. >> >> e.g., OLD https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00801.html >> >> NEW https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dlnex/5ZQM0AmEW4rkIxCp3-lfaljXV2g >> >> Lou >> >> >> On 10/5/2016 7:27 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: >>> A new release of the Mail Archive tool was deployed, v1.4.3. >>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org >>> >>> This release is the first of a number of incremental releases aimed at >>> supporting >>> RFC 7842. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7842.txt >>> >>> This release is primarily focused on section 2.5 Improve Support for >>> Mobile Devices. >>> More releases will follow. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ryan >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From nobody Thu Oct 20 13:44:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8071296BC for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.032 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.032 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.431, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ykkHu-x32LN for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 089741296B9 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6231E5660; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:43:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SgxYsZ-hPFD9; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amss-mbp-2.lan (c-67-171-18-146.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.171.18.146]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 682781E565B; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) From: Ryan Cross In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:44:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F87CE69-1C7B-47A2-8CE1-B15FF49A5341@amsl.com> <1f13b049-0985-6fab-b70b-b56dee4932a7@labn.net> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New IETF Email Archive Release X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:44:04 -0000 This should not be too difficult. One question I have, do we want to = create links out of all URLs? This may be undesirable in spam messages (identified = as such or not). Ryan > On Oct 20, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > This was not part of the SoW. Ryan, is it simple or hard? >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 > On Oct 20, 2016, at 3:28 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> One thing I just ran across is that the old archive would >> automatically recognize links in text and provide them as clickable >> urls. This doesn't seem to be happening on the new tool. >>=20 >> e.g., OLD = https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00801.html >>=20 >> NEW = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dlnex/5ZQM0AmEW4rkIxCp3-lfaljXV2g >>=20 >> Lou >>=20 >>=20 >> On 10/5/2016 7:27 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: >>> A new release of the Mail Archive tool was deployed, v1.4.3. >>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org >>>=20 >>> This release is the first of a number of incremental releases aimed = at >>> supporting=20 >>> RFC 7842. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7842.txt >>>=20 >>> This release is primarily focused on section 2.5 Improve Support for >>> Mobile Devices. >>> More releases will follow. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Ryan >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 From nobody Thu Oct 27 05:08:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F1F129A87 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 05:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJxfN_TrlxSz for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 05:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6259C129A17 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 05:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7568 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2016 12:08:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2016 12:08:06 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id 0c5c1u02S2SSUrH01c5fAj; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:05:40 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=IecUBwaa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=CH0kA5CcgfcA:10 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=9SCq0mpQLouHf4nqRXwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=mOPW23UjQxkA:10 a=VlZU0XKO32wA:10 a=Bn2pgwyD2vrAyMmN8A2t:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=pETsG8zeBDduxbSccdDO6UtH8GbERDIcojRtjiJz2mA=; b=jwVsubDr1JNLtEWD5JvJEn2aMc4th3XArTMcnLh7dpoFgKRisCCVkCbLcMr82dwtSxdcsQvIIA VkNePwlM0s2aaGBtbz0DYpHBjIG8Yx2WovZVIlt+BsnO8YWWBRnll9; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:41865 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bzjRA-0001TB-OC for tools-development@ietf.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:05:36 -0600 To: IETF Tools Development From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 08:05:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1bzjRA-0001TB-OC X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.85.191]:41865 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] has anyone tried asciiart (ascii art to png/svg tool) X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:08:13 -0000 just wondering if anyone has found this useful? https://github.com/Juniper/libslax/tree/master/doc/oxtradoc Lou From nobody Mon Oct 31 04:06:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F54B1296BA for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WvqU_yJjESCA for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 767461296B9 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5761 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2016 11:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2016 11:05:54 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id 2B4u1u00r2SSUrH01B4xu0; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 05:04:57 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=beT4Do/B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CH0kA5CcgfcA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=qtsu_cURl_kkCrp7IIkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6kGIvZw6iX1k4Y-7sg4_:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject: References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:To:From; bh=gre3/PvQ9Ih3YfHdQLFgvhUKI5Bzz81SF+6oK/Z530E=; b=WCNFIwdigFovTEckNynHoYOO37 xOrZYBdkVe+HVAce6ByNdNWrpMrv4ntub66wJu3Y+7z1Q5UN1Xo0eM87gTGYinu5UW0XsVzExPwCp 81mfnlLyO5ROrYP449m1sRcjR; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:51250 helo=[11.4.0.238]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1c1AOd-0002zX-N1 for tools-development@ietf.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 05:04:55 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: IETF Tools Development Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1581a69d7f0.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: References: <545C1283-C68E-4EB3-A65D-DC3C35B99FE3@imc.org> <95C0F289-DA22-4243-84F8-4C5C9D80B349@vpnc.org> <8CFDAD62-CF56-4FB1-BA3B-46B61104D915@softarmor.com> <1725D3B2-5818-4397-BAB1-C766794A0E59@vpnc.org> <127a73ed-177f-f94b-d987-e83653984e59@joelhalpern.com> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.6.2.9 (build: 27000209) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1c1AOd-0002zX-N1 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([11.4.0.238]) [100.15.85.191]:51250 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: use of Git-hub X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:06:02 -0000 Fyi... --- Forwarded message --- From: Stewart Bryant Date: October 31, 2016 5:10:14 AM Subject: use of Git-hub To: wgchairs@ietf.org I suppose it was obvious that people would use git-hub for IETF work, I have certainly been using it as a way of managing the drafts that I write, but the thread that just started causes me to ask a couple of questions: Firstly whether the IETF should more formally adopt Git technology as its in-house draft management system once a document becomes a WG document? Secondly with the move to .md isn't it time that we allowed the markdown files to be uploaded with the draft in a similar way to .xml. I used to do the .xml upload just as a way to recover the source if I lost it locally, however for a number of us, .xml is no longer the source, but an intermediate file is on of no real use until the RFC Editor ask for it. Stewart From nobody Mon Oct 31 04:43:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDEE1293EC for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:43:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=cursive.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BB_5nEeXCpoD for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x229.google.com (mail-oi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17BC712944C for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id v84so64257090oie.3 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:43:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cursive.net; s=google; h=from:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ajkj3PgNbHR1zoOLXlz33JEIAa+7ct4bTAJdZuER/Uo=; b=RYPbgoT2sCDztyiOXOUcd16yOZCn6jPzSzKs9TmWH8U/A0AY0YuFzl7B9Zdntq5lsp aSgmvIFXr7MOhunS12EojAQmsLS7JAU5zvJ1QC9Nw3YGsFVM/IpBM10SodkYSm+IHjP8 frPAV26RAQmL8HYP0vnhiocLwzR1jhPX0k160= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ajkj3PgNbHR1zoOLXlz33JEIAa+7ct4bTAJdZuER/Uo=; b=PiCK41QsQe8Y/3yhhFeICw7bJacuhWx+66MXTCjZi6ouJyD2U6HD4/OG9I7dESG0RR +RlfDn8xg5RAezfMvkBal2SA0m018GSnSRHt/T+sZSVrIALmr/uRMR+yfHMrrzCTTwvh By5dctagYUxspDKTzY+P1KK9hGhoL4TjmjSfzTPXR8oUiSGGS5zOE9j2WA39W1DZpQJx +zBwPxkSce4FBsh/+8cDOK8/UvUK8xRQgDZ/gIMRHXJ0MDWTFMTrmfdMVAjTB4ONaBkl 6Q2BOu++8X3fL+vNmr+0H0nHLY0ajdrxzsYI6p7QulLHLz9CgqjPH5VmasFfoW2KBB81 7NfA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdBNfen7qosZpGPN3nAyD2OLhTLnPEUEs6xu9LENSl7qGMsCgjD0AJDnEAbMhR+Aw== X-Received: by 10.107.167.65 with SMTP id q62mr21343772ioe.110.1477914201225; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:282:280:b717:bc77:54e:137a:4dc8? ([2601:282:280:b717:bc77:54e:137a:4dc8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u190sm8368115itc.21.2016.10.31.04.43.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 31 Oct 2016 04:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Hildebrand X-Google-Original-From: Joe Hildebrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) In-Reply-To: <1581a69d7f0.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 05:43:19 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4446BC35-7EDF-4D08-AA2C-D60ACBB83D9D@cursive.net> References: <545C1283-C68E-4EB3-A65D-DC3C35B99FE3@imc.org> <95C0F289-DA22-4243-84F8-4C5C9D80B349@vpnc.org> <8CFDAD62-CF56-4FB1-BA3B-46B61104D915@softarmor.com> <1725D3B2-5818-4397-BAB1-C766794A0E59@vpnc.org> <127a73ed-177f-f94b-d987-e83653984e59@joelhalpern.com> <1581a69d7f0.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> To: Lou Berger , Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] use of Git-hub X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:43:23 -0000 Quickest and easiest fix would be for kramdown-rfc2629 to include the = markdown source as a comment at the end of the XML. Extra points for being able to recover it easily. Keep in mind that the = sequence "--" is not allowed in an XML comment, so it needs to be = escaped correctly. > On Oct 31, 2016, at 5:04 AM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 > Fyi... >=20 >=20 > --- Forwarded message --- > From: Stewart Bryant > Date: October 31, 2016 5:10:14 AM > Subject: use of Git-hub > To: wgchairs@ietf.org >=20 >=20 > I suppose it was obvious that people would use git-hub for IETF work, = I > have certainly been using it as a way of managing the drafts that I > write, but the thread that just started causes me to ask a couple of > questions: >=20 > Firstly whether the IETF should more formally adopt Git technology as > its in-house draft management system once a document becomes a WG = document? >=20 > Secondly with the move to .md isn't it time that we allowed the = markdown > files to be uploaded with the draft in a similar way to .xml. I used = to > do the .xml upload just as a way to recover the source if I lost it > locally, however for a number of us, .xml is no longer the source, but > an intermediate file is on of no real use until the RFC Editor ask for = it. >=20 > Stewart >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --=20 Joe Hildebrand From nobody Mon Oct 31 05:33:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3351296BE for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 05:33:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zTxJ0P5z67IT for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 05:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C19A91296B8 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 05:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.123] ([5.10.171.186]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LgNGi-1cdmAf42eS-00ndTj; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 13:32:42 +0100 To: Joe Hildebrand , Lou Berger , Carsten Bormann References: <545C1283-C68E-4EB3-A65D-DC3C35B99FE3@imc.org> <95C0F289-DA22-4243-84F8-4C5C9D80B349@vpnc.org> <8CFDAD62-CF56-4FB1-BA3B-46B61104D915@softarmor.com> <1725D3B2-5818-4397-BAB1-C766794A0E59@vpnc.org> <127a73ed-177f-f94b-d987-e83653984e59@joelhalpern.com> <1581a69d7f0.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> <4446BC35-7EDF-4D08-AA2C-D60ACBB83D9D@cursive.net> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <712a0a1f-9d00-2860-5279-db851894638c@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 13:32:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4446BC35-7EDF-4D08-AA2C-D60ACBB83D9D@cursive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:llWwSJbvPN2LfE/W1J/1t/XHnxAtU0CA2PcUFmX16B6PBwv70OY 1e7sw0RwNRHOpeHp+nSBUQVh5co5bhhG2rq5X6sq7MFGymLuFxcYogP51YR8bGRcO5jP9xv R/qp+h3wZNFVoEGrPm/u2AtiAqDD8mx2nVZNcISpkcAXmJk1AFIZ34ScRnArpdILxDQZwGd P5NHgyc78eDubKbvOXvAw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:y6esDCxooPA=:2VMlcVxxiEo9DHk4/sSRmE L+0+w6+cE7Xh/p5pz4rBCnKRYr378Dl0NhrDcvo4Rt+J8w7hbsW24RFS6+1F6IZF1t35KKV9d 3uU3jT6tFomtjm7isQppfuQzLmKZE5tQyBE8N7eLTY7zWeEwdWj32GjhWbY9x1scJPweDxkz1 pY9Vml7CRNw/YweQ31G01fZgL1QOngWGvwH6sx27UWpxyGN/VnSges5tWak/CsAV0J0dVa+nK PndhBnQW9B6G9bCVbU7h39rOKHJuCfDT+BdQ7Fl4sNYRldO2x9GoSg3YD4VNYlok8JUyCfQiQ gHkKxhe5iW9DuydZwZf6ag/d5lC4tAN+TWDg1yUqPpf/Dw7Ydqx0AG3anAuukfcLost3MoyY7 keuLFc6/Nv6WLK1yp61YGLVeTiZwYHJQdECz2P5jLU1Xf4/Cebs5fpdQsSVi7JcVfgqlS0/Os qDMFCtj20l8RnRhcOr9cC9ypKfbNBkYTiQbBsdureYv1Hsgdz/g2IIAwrhj/NPqtmRpPM8VrU 6NBn43Pj7kCcLn5ALaLfSrbX9bqqnenqBFRQewe9vA+qUhMkDayk4ShxoYVgCHScHJ/1h9N6I 1J/Tu3c5hmG3CSlra2IEr01crT7MoIhvtUwvzmr3AKGfn1+PxgUJndjauEHDmjp2Y81e8dP6R ve+MK1uz9JigCcSibhcjHjemg0aALb35oHx78AIU4lZh82WYY025hBTLm1CU1XBab/0CcwG15 bA/QBTUwzBy/LlAAxqOZSH3ooQUhJm9bA59hSBHOmJ2TkkAXE4ZlDQ7uAiN4dBc3e+nHeCTo4 qO2XrGk Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] use of Git-hub X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:33:08 -0000 On 2016-10-31 12:43, Joe Hildebrand wrote: > Quickest and easiest fix would be for kramdown-rfc2629 to include the markdown source as a comment at the end of the XML. > > Extra points for being able to recover it easily. Keep in mind that the sequence "--" is not allowed in an XML comment, so it needs to be escaped correctly. If that's the goal, it better be done by kramdown itself :-) From nobody Mon Oct 31 07:18:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E945129854 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:18:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aNrGKU1qRcBu for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A28621296B2 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u9VEIKg3008951; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:18:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from nar-4.local.mail (p5DC7E34C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.227.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3t6xKm0060z7yZy; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:18:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:18:18 +0100 From: Carsten Bormann To: Lou Berger , Joe Hildebrand Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4446BC35-7EDF-4D08-AA2C-D60ACBB83D9D@cursive.net> References: <545C1283-C68E-4EB3-A65D-DC3C35B99FE3@imc.org> <95C0F289-DA22-4243-84F8-4C5C9D80B349@vpnc.org> <8CFDAD62-CF56-4FB1-BA3B-46B61104D915@softarmor.com> <1725D3B2-5818-4397-BAB1-C766794A0E59@vpnc.org> <127a73ed-177f-f94b-d987-e83653984e59@joelhalpern.com> <1581a69d7f0.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> <4446BC35-7EDF-4D08-AA2C-D60ACBB83D9D@cursive.net> X-Mailer: Airmail (390) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="581752aa_7b52575_650d" Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] use of Git-hub X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:18:27 -0000 --581752aa_7b52575_650d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Good idea. However note that the =E2=80=9Csource=E2=80=9D of the document may be a d= irectory with data files, a makefile, and a markdown document with many i= nclude statements. =C2=A0Anyway, it would be easy to include the =E2=80=9C= compiled=E2=80=9D markdown source (all includes processed) in the XML. I=E2= =80=99d gzip and base64*) it for use by an extraction tool. =C2=A0I=E2=80= =99ll do that (and provide the extractor) in the next version. Should this be in a comment or is there an XML element we could hijack fo= r that=3F Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten *) old-style base64 if we need to make it compatible XML comments... On 31 October 2016 at 12:43:31, Joe Hildebrand (hildjj=40cursive.net) wro= te: Quickest and easiest fix would be for kramdown-rfc2629 to include the mar= kdown source as a comment at the end of the XML. =20 Extra points for being able to recover it easily. Keep in mind that the s= equence =22--=22 is not allowed in an XML comment, so it needs to be esca= ped correctly. =20 > On Oct 31, 2016, at 5:04 AM, Lou Berger wrote: =20 > =20 > =46yi... =20 > =20 > =20 > --- =46orwarded message --- =20 > =46rom: Stewart Bryant =20 > Date: October 31, 2016 5:10:14 AM =20 > Subject: use of Git-hub =20 > To: wgchairs=40ietf.org =20 > =20 > =20 > I suppose it was obvious that people would use git-hub for IET=46 work,= I =20 > have certainly been using it as a way of managing the drafts that I =20 > write, but the thread that just started causes me to ask a couple of =20 > questions: =20 > =20 > =46irstly whether the IET=46 should more formally adopt Git technology = as =20 > its in-house draft management system once a document becomes a WG docum= ent=3F =20 > =20 > Secondly with the move to .md isn't it time that we allowed the markdow= n =20 > files to be uploaded with the draft in a similar way to .xml. I used to= =20 > do the .xml upload just as a way to recover the source if I lost it =20 > locally, however for a number of us, .xml is no longer the source, but = =20 > an intermediate file is on of no real use until the R=46C Editor ask fo= r it. =20 > =20 > Stewart =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list =20 > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT=40ietf.org =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development =20 -- =20 Joe Hildebrand =20 --581752aa_7b52575_650d Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline