From nobody Thu Apr 2 11:07:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EC13A0BFA; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 11:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSUvYf1jGygq; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 11:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C38693A0A3C; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 11:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809783897D; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8082B609; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Russ Housley , Tools Team Discussion , IETF Tools Development In-Reply-To: References: <3729CE09-D13F-436D-A917-0DEF91348E31@vigilsec.com> <258C4639-AD13-4524-9680-DFD7EC5A4C0F@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 25.1.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [Tools-discuss] Server Transition Briefing X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 18:07:28 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Russ Housley wrote: > Here is a summary of the discussion on the call that took place on > March 11th. Thank you. > Q4. What are the next steps toward separation of services to reduce > fragility and increase flexibility? > It was suggested that the IETF leverage things that are available in = the > market wherever possible. That is, avoid building custom software wh= ere > possible. > It was suggested that public cloud services should be used instead of > private cloud services. I think that your notes do not adequately capture this tussle. I think that Richard Barnes feels quite strongly about this. I think that many others, while enthusiastic about not duplicating effort, are concerned about loss of control, in particular, inability to deploy our specifications early, and to do it properly, rather than "popularily" > It was suggested that microservices be explored. An OpenID Connect or > OAuth 2.0 identity provider could be used to enable microservices. S= ome > things that might be migrated to microservices are the Internet-Draft > repository and the Datatracker database. The submission system... got this today, not for the first time: obiwan-[ietf/anima/bootstrap](2.6.5) mcr 10066 %make submit curl -S -F "user=3Dmcr+ietf@sandelman.ca" -F "xml=3D@ALL-dtbootstrap-anima-= keyinfra.xml" https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/submit 504 Gateway Timeout

Gateway Timeout

The gateway did not receive a timely response from the upstream server or application.

so I repeat: obiwan-[ietf/anima/bootstrap](2.6.5) mcr 10067 %make submit curl -S -F "user=3Dmcr+ietf@sandelman.ca" -F "xml=3D@ALL-dtbootstrap-anima-= keyinfra.xml" https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/submit Validation Error: {'__all__': ['A submission with same name and revision is= currently being processed. Check the st= atus here.']}% I don't know if status.io can help us with this :-( > Wrap Up: Was this discussion useful? If so, how often should we hold= a > similar discussion? > People felt the discussion was useful, and it was suggested that they > be held quarterly. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl6GKcYACgkQgItw+93Q 3WX4EAf8CvpVL/nDZ3DaBk4kET+7mSEEpO6LHo8In0FM0yti8gfnxEVr9M/1jMNi H2MVULx+eRfeJQ3vQZWLBLIAbLPijmCyx+efapRtLAubVsQi6hzTb8vbWoYP1saW aDMf05FHpgSLKrVVqZS2TEwo7rOTJp7tp4Fk6q/UYscAyK2iSLA9l4HK21UoXAeA /OkGKE1P4mooJ9mq3PYqKocEZYOA14WLo711kzbaEgD641HG4fWuv+N+O2Q7itCN az1O1DUY0SM2NUXNGU59DavMR1mjaMn+3Idzc2eKTjjZ6KY2pygKLj+78z/9efEe Lp4fBFBcxrW4gI/Vv240rYE1bQuMYg== =Zj29 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Apr 2 18:54:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5668A3A0BAC for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 18:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=a46TrJ/W; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=qYEAA17r Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0f9_WCN38vlE for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C419D3A07F6 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 18:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 75394 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2020 01:54:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=1267f.5e86976a.k2004; bh=xT7DdoLCdw2KRKpxgoKgKRSzGhfoAuoqPVk8JA/m0C4=; b=a46TrJ/WBuSV8hfQ6DOSm7DhqfXQOUdSTsRdWyccUcFSl78U+lRbPmLmQ7RcFKU3rtLlxX0UeM6mYwtcRWPprek+iNOjn0FACyEracJl2/G/g7C5Lgww2nSvyONAleayQf5rBOgxn3UvH4lmVrXi4fm8dfpIGfKBxE3hsqVoYlY9KbKAL6F480aEddjJK0g4l+tFCV169wy94URzRMHJCwogzBmjSauLA+fPQjnk7xeGmNGvU4dGq4PmPwZ1lX9O DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=1267f.5e86976a.k2004; bh=xT7DdoLCdw2KRKpxgoKgKRSzGhfoAuoqPVk8JA/m0C4=; b=qYEAA17riroUwXtJFPIgyX5FTnAsBw3WimPKtCTFj20bcQ4mwKAJ3ldUAaNbDrr/kQriEgo7gf12+fA9LGve6KQ7Q25gEKDXWf0xsPydZ6ucBc1kY49DtjIvF5iD6cyg3V3tIPGam3ntb4qlwXQcqRjlms1KIZN7VEQCP9QrH88+r+SKT5uvhGL6Kv65afblnRxtV1W3x8gSJxbED6T9isGb0wA7uoxslbhin4BlWPwLFXefxNv5kxU1P5mzS7+7 Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 03 Apr 2020 01:54:50 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4591416F220A; Thu, 2 Apr 2020 21:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: 2 Apr 2020 21:54:49 -0400 Message-Id: <20200403015450.4591416F220A@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: tools-development@ietf.org Cc: mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca In-Reply-To: <9645.1585850822@localhost> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [Tools-discuss] Server Transition Briefing X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 01:54:53 -0000 In article <9645.1585850822@localhost> you write: >I think that many others, while enthusiastic about not duplicating effort, >are concerned about loss of control, in particular, inability to deploy our >specifications early, and to do it properly, rather than "popularily" It's more than that, it's also tradeoffs of time and technical risk. As I recall, we were talking about a commercial monitor service we could deploy now vs one we might get someone to write later, perhaps much later. While I agree that to the extent it makes sense we should eat our own dogfood, we have limited programming resources and no reason to believe we can get a lot more people interested in working on our unusual tools in our unusual environment. (I have some xml2rfc files here I'd like to diff.) When we depend on software where the number of people who know it well enough to maintain it can be counted on one's thumbs, that's a risk, and one that I think we need to balance against the risk of using someone else's less dogfoody commercial package. R's, John From nobody Tue Apr 7 16:54:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2633A043A for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 16:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0AGOu55uVTKD for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B14093A0433 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FBC3897A; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 19:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB115F5; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 19:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "John Levine" cc: tools-development@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20200403015450.4591416F220A@ary.qy> References: <20200403015450.4591416F220A@ary.qy> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 25.1.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [Tools-discuss] Server Transition Briefing X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 23:54:39 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain John Levine wrote: > In article <9645.1585850822@localhost> you write: >> I think that many others, while enthusiastic about not duplicating effort, >> are concerned about loss of control, in particular, inability to deploy our >> specifications early, and to do it properly, rather than "popularily" > It's more than that, it's also tradeoffs of time and technical risk. > As I recall, we were talking about a commercial monitor service we > could deploy now vs one we might get someone to write later, perhaps > much later. I don't think that there was much opposition to the proposed monitoring service. (status.io won't solve all monitoring problems, but it is a good step) It was more about how monolithic our datatracker is, and why we aren't leveraging a more distributed architecture that incorporates other systems. Why we aren't container and kubernetes and cloud-bursting... > When we depend on software where the number of people who know it well > enough to maintain it can be counted on one's thumbs, that's a risk, > and one that I think we need to balance against the risk of using > someone else's less dogfoody commercial package. I don't know if we have the financial leverage to actually get much. **We can't even get Webex to dogfood IPv6** but I think that we should explore what we can get. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl6NErYACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVTNwf/dmf8Q5pHdCvfP816dfCctBqoMr1bokUWDkERkPDPmmq2vhnxZaf5C/Ba jJOKpft0iOO+AhbRXguUAQHc2BX7TDv6BCOfqVF94OuGj4uJT+kGH/Bja2p4GnuY iqJgjUbzgrUypzaIfDQks6iBDGramIpsKIvnQnTsmLrjBXhUQORfquH0OD/nTIy9 /b0c9GEi4fOEvvaANmHl6/OEoFrR5y77ls70BLVuz9P9Y4UkX6ARLPzNM2Zv7zH6 h9mHxbHsepzy2CGlkyikhXVp9y4HGiQxbVyuCC7rzs3A/Z7+8GLQPZe8LxludJlU fOfCllJhn4XdP+G9vfEtRZi66GuYeg== =Ytph -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Apr 7 17:24:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BE63A0DFA for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=pf7vHAna; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=FpcJTrvK Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7zWoTG5ErHl for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 17:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E2703A0DF2 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 17:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 77582 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2020 00:24:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=12f0c.5e8d19bd.k2004; i=johnl-iecc.com@submit.iecc.com; bh=lX+dsWkH5qC0d5pyqziPwkqz3efocVLQooBstyt7x9o=; b=pf7vHAnam6IHvA0V2gv4bd1Nm8swDi8iwm28bsYXVtRdcaJuRy/F/OMp1CzcfHFklKL98rU+5HW5RG6jknrxb2/e532ynrihWLHBH20X/kenSw9Qx25AjjcoFq+KIWnv9uSis5SocwhSsVLGYDpIiu0WwiRH7JXLMbkHErSNHSwyaTsSsUNAAppTWyTG7qlvnbl7cPSYc85+SAUwOFfA/e6XS8EasbItPQE/PgKEIE2zbFa9GvRXpSW4LN/3Nebg DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=12f0c.5e8d19bd.k2004; olt=johnl-iecc.com@submit.iecc.com; bh=lX+dsWkH5qC0d5pyqziPwkqz3efocVLQooBstyt7x9o=; b=FpcJTrvKIwps3OWTcCIzrvZfnB1TK/FwDCsHI54oRonx8QJ2L9TyTNQ86oaLSTwmYVhnW18N3ZJh02hvhvw3DIp0mLPMaAEe2MA8teoIvcp14Sv1tQEg5bqbyytxAvdcN/JOenwVKZmbBx9UCT7TOURmHDDi1NWkh1oxxWRVeDAiSWmi/t9/PtwA2Xuer0TYpgYskGCNMgBB1LIyDNQKLpsnDMkwxxxZ81Ab/bOBRAh5Pmaxk2DnvAWsCD9ff0Y2 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPSA (TLS1.3 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD, johnl@iecc.com) via TCP6; 08 Apr 2020 00:24:29 -0000 Date: 7 Apr 2020 20:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Michael Richardson" Cc: tools-development@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <2260.1586303671@localhost> References: <20200403015450.4591416F220A@ary.qy> <2260.1586303671@localhost> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (OSX 407 2020-02-09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [Tools-discuss] Server Transition Briefing X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 00:24:36 -0000 > It was more about how monolithic our datatracker is, and why we aren't > leveraging a more distributed architecture that incorporates other systems. > Why we aren't container and kubernetes and cloud-bursting... Right. Some of those are rather trendy, but it's impressive how quickly one can spin up docker containers and replicate them to get more performance and move them from one place to another and (sometimes) swap in new versions of stuff. > > When we depend on software where the number of people who know it well > > enough to maintain it can be counted on one's thumbs, that's a risk, > > and one that I think we need to balance against the risk of using > > someone else's less dogfoody commercial package. > > I don't know if we have the financial leverage to actually get much. > **We can't even get Webex to dogfood IPv6** but I think that we should > explore what we can get. Much though I love the IETF, we are not a big enough customer to make vendors do something different. We might have some effect via moral persuasion ("standards! auditability! open source!") but that's different. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Wed Apr 8 06:39:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C3B3A0BFE for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cfkB_GdGjyjR for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 06:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 011933A0BFB for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 06:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A5A300B4F for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:39:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9oToEZUY0wXh for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 398A2300A2E for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:39:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:39:16 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 13:39:21 -0000 ** TRYING A NEW OUTLINE FOR THE AGENDA ** Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools 1. 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Is the new agenda outline an improvement? - Open discussion From nobody Wed Apr 8 14:01:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D73A3A10B9; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:01:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pC6-4bvkPhW3; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2885D3A10B7; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3263897F; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 16:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B21E1B; Wed, 8 Apr 2020 17:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Russ Housley , Tools Team Discussion , IETF Tools Development In-Reply-To: <9645.1585850822@localhost> References: <3729CE09-D13F-436D-A917-0DEF91348E31@vigilsec.com> <258C4639-AD13-4524-9680-DFD7EC5A4C0F@vigilsec.com> <9645.1585850822@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 25.1.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [Tools-discuss] Server Transition Briefing X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 21:01:10 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> Michael Richardson wrote: >> It was suggested that public cloud services should be used instead of >> private cloud services. > I think that your notes do not adequately capture this tussle. > I think that Richard Barnes feels quite strongly about this. To connect my incomplete dots better... > The submission system... got this today, not for the first time: ... >

The gateway did not receive a timely response > from the upstream server or application.

> I think that a place where we could benefit from public scalable cloud is the submission and API (sub-)system(s). There are a bunch of different ways that this could be done. I wonder if, with the stretch out of the virtual meetings if the average DT usage is higher in general, and if the number of IDs submitted per day is also higher. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Signature -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Apr 9 10:14:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BED3A0D63 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4EmZhYOpOY_w for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D9F13A0D3B for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D762021B6 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z7LDZF9ZQi3n for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [76.103.45.80]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 553332021B4 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:12:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Flynn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_01484B42-F8E2-4629-A269-7E9D181AAA5E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <2F7AA513-6AF9-492A-BD89-55F1464B7700@amsl.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:14:48 -0700 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Notes - 17 March 2020 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 17:14:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_01484B42-F8E2-4629-A269-7E9D181AAA5E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone, Apologies for these notes being so delayed; they=E2=80=99d gotten stuck = kicking around in my mail drafts. Talk to you all next week for the = meeting on 14 April. =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 Tools Call Notes -- 17 March 2020 at 1:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN See Robert's email from 3/16 for highlights. Day to day activity has = been focused on making sure we have an effective virtual meeting. Also = doing remediation from the first server attempt. One document got = tangled and Henrik has sorted out the issues with this document as of = today. After IETF 107 the two big things are removing Python 2 support = and moving to Django 2.=20 Transition to Django 2 has been on the plan for some time but it's = coming out of the parking lot.=20 - Meeting application improvements by IOLA -- Robert IOLA is finally underway and has been committing code. They have a = version that shows first improvements to graphical editor. I'll set that = up for the Secretariat to look at after IETF 107. I still don't have a = good sense of when they will complete but we're having conversations.=20 - Automated schedule builder by DashCare -- Robert Part 1 is essentially complete. Some improvements they made to the = existing graphical editor to see the new kinds of conflicts that can be = modeled and I'll set that up for Secretariat to look at after IETF 107 = as well. I'll talk with Jay about starting part 2. It will make things = easier on merge if IOLA's part is in before starting part 2 but they can = be decoupled if necessary.=20 - Minor Tools Enhancements by Painless Security -- Robert They have made enhancements to datatracker and website. Still working on = some tickets this month and almost ready to give them runway to work on = mail archive. Focusing on getting them familiar with code base; I don't = think we need to track them at this level on this call going forward.=20 2. Community & Other Projects - WWW search to provide additional pointers -- Greg This is now done. - Host third-party subresources on mailarchive -- Ryan This is also now done. 3. RFC Services Projects - Are tools issues blocking any documents? -- John and Henrik Alice: Nothing currently. We do have one document with a bug related to = non-ASCII characters showing up properly. Henrik is aware and move to = the top of the list.=20 - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Jay An award has been made and working on scheduling a kickoff call.=20 4. Server Infrastructure - Deployment of Python3 -- Robert Trac is the only remaining Python tool running containerized.=20 Henrik: There are other tools we haven't transitioned yet but they are = standalone. This item can be removed from future agendas. - Expected Website Releases -- Robert There was a major release that removed original Torchbox attempt at = datatracker integration. That will be fixed after IETF 107 week. After = that, moving Wagtail up to a more modern version which will be a big = job. Glen asked me about taking Wagtail out of the container but I still = think we need to keep these isolated.=20 - DMARC support for email aliases -- Henrik and Alexey This had been on hold until the server transition and should be getting = started soon. Henrik is talking with Glen about the best time to do it. = Glen suggests putting it in the virtual file. The post confirm fix has = worked very well. John, Henrik and Glen will start design discussions = and figure out what to do after IETF 107.=20 - Backup for IETF-related portions of GitHub -- Robert An SOW is in development. Some questions about credentials=20 5. YANG Catalog - Posting YANG modules by other SDOs -- Eric and Robert Highest order bit was any work that was preventing another SDO from = entering their modules. When any new SDO comes in there's a manual = process; only happens once every few months.=20 For future calls, question will be: Are there any issues blocking = another SDO from entering a yang model?=20 - Putting yangcatalog.org in a Docker container -- Robert Trying to set a target date. A development server already works this = way.=20 6. Parking Lot - Transition Datatracker to Django2 and then Django3 Transition from 2 to 3 is different; 2 to 3 moves from an asynchronous = approach. I won't say we know there will be more and different issues = but it's a substantially bigger transition conceptually than 1 to 2.=20 - Transition Mailarchive to Django2 and then Django3 - Transition Wagtail for IETF website to Django2 and then Django3 - Search over www, datatracker, and mailarchive 7. AOB Robert: Carsten has asked us to look at CodiMD. I did a trial setup and = deployed it easily. Getting it configured to the level we have etherpad = would be pretty simple. Do we want to put effort into making that = available? I think it's too late to do it for next week but do we want = to take this on in the future, as replacement or parallel to etherpad? Russ: What don't we get with etherpad? Robert: It's built to run in a modern web ecosystem a little more = effectively and it does have quite a few interesting additional features = for interactive note taking.=20 Glen: We should pick one and run it rather than running two in parallel. Henrik: I agree and it makes sense to move over. Etherpad has been = overtaken by other tools that are similar but provide more current = features.=20 Alissa: In general it would be good to have more of a standardized = framework for how we make these kinds of decisions. This is pretty ad = hoc; someone suggested it, it looks better. I appreciate that it seems = like a better tool but should there be some other kind of gating = criteria for when we make a switch like this?=20 Glen: I agree; constantly having new things to spin up and old to shut = down is a hole with no bottom. Request we have a better procedure for = switching to new tools.=20 Alissa: For more controversial things like jabber it would be better to = have a better framework for making these decisions. Jay: I see a role here for the architecture team that's being set up and = setting a framework for how the user experience is understood. !e do = need a bigger picture look that we can then use here.=20 Let's find some interim meetings to test CodiMD after IETF 107. - Continue to have concerns about Datatracker performance and wondering = if this is still in the right place in priority list or if we should = move this up as opposed to adding new features.=20 First we need a way to measure performance. Need to know what kinds of = queries are lagging. Jay and Robert will discuss.=20 - Believe we should start fronting webservices with nginx and woudl like = to start making progress after 107.=20 Glen has a rough plan to move forward and arrangements are starting to = be made behind the scenes. --Apple-Mail=_01484B42-F8E2-4629-A269-7E9D181AAA5E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone,

Apologies for these notes being so delayed; they=E2=80=99d = gotten stuck kicking around in my mail drafts. Talk to you all next week = for the meeting on 14 April.



=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94

Tools = Call Notes -- 17 March 2020 at 1:00 Eastern


1. = Datatracker Projects
  - Expected Datatracker = Releases -- Robert and Henrik

See Robert's = email from 3/16 for highlights. Day to day activity has been focused on = making sure we have an effective virtual meeting. Also doing remediation = from the first server attempt. One document got tangled and Henrik has = sorted out the issues with this document as of today. After IETF 107 the = two big things are removing Python 2 support and moving to Django = 2. 

Transition to Django 2 has been on the plan for some time but = it's coming out of the parking lot. 

  - Meeting application = improvements by IOLA -- Robert

IOLA is finally underway and has been = committing code. They have a version that shows first improvements to = graphical editor. I'll set that up for the Secretariat to look at after = IETF 107. I still don't have a good sense of when they will complete but = we're having conversations. 

  - Automated schedule builder by = DashCare -- Robert

Part 1 is essentially complete. Some improvements they made = to the existing graphical editor to see the new kinds of conflicts that = can be modeled and I'll set that up for Secretariat to look at after = IETF 107 as well. I'll talk with Jay about starting part 2. It will make = things easier on merge if IOLA's part is in before starting part 2 but = they can be decoupled if necessary. 


  - Minor Tools Enhancements by Painless Security -- = Robert

They = have made enhancements to datatracker and website. Still working on some = tickets this month and almost ready to give them runway to work on mail = archive. Focusing on getting them familiar with code base; I don't think = we need to track them at this level on this call going = forward. 



2. Community & Other Projects
  = - WWW search to provide additional pointers -- Greg

This is now = done.

  - = Host third-party subresources on mailarchive -- Ryan

This is also now = done.



3. = RFC Services Projects
  - Are tools issues = blocking any documents? -- John and Henrik

Alice: Nothing currently. We do have = one document with a bug related to non-ASCII characters showing up = properly. Henrik is aware and move to the top of the = list. 

  - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and = Jay

An award = has been made and working on scheduling a kickoff call. 



4. Server = Infrastructure
  - Deployment of Python3 -- = Robert

Trac is = the only remaining Python tool running containerized. 

Henrik: There are other = tools we haven't transitioned yet but they are standalone. This item can = be removed from future agendas.

  - Expected Website Releases -- = Robert

There = was a major release that removed original Torchbox attempt at = datatracker integration. That will be fixed after IETF 107 week. After = that, moving Wagtail up to a more modern version which will be a big = job. Glen asked me about taking Wagtail out of the container but I still = think we need to keep these isolated. 

  - DMARC support for email = aliases -- Henrik and Alexey

This had been on hold until the server = transition and should be getting started soon. Henrik is talking with = Glen about the best time to do it. Glen suggests putting it in the = virtual file. The post confirm fix has worked very well. John, Henrik = and Glen will start design discussions and figure out what to do after = IETF 107. 

  - Backup for IETF-related portions of GitHub -- = Robert

An SOW = is in development. Some questions about credentials 



5. YANG = Catalog
  - Posting YANG modules by other SDOs = -- Eric and Robert

Highest order bit was any work that was preventing another = SDO from entering their modules. When any new SDO comes in there's a = manual process; only happens once every few months. 

For future calls, = question will be: Are there any issues blocking another SDO from = entering a yang model? 

  - Putting yangcatalog.org in a = Docker container -- Robert

Trying to set a target date. A development server already = works this way. 




6. Parking Lot
  - Transition Datatracker to Django2 and then = Django3

Transition from 2 to 3 is different; 2 to 3 moves from an = asynchronous approach. I won't say we know there will be more and = different issues but it's a substantially bigger transition conceptually = than 1 to 2. 



  - Transition Mailarchive to Django2 and then = Django3
  - Transition Wagtail for IETF = website to Django2 and then Django3
  - Search = over www, datatracker, and mailarchive

7. AOB


Robert: Carsten has asked us to look at CodiMD. I did a trial = setup and deployed it easily. Getting it configured to the level we have = etherpad would be pretty simple. Do we want to put effort into making = that available? I think it's too late to do it for next week but do we = want to take this on in the future, as replacement or parallel to = etherpad?

Russ: = What don't we get with etherpad?

Robert: It's built to run in a modern = web ecosystem a little more effectively and it does have quite a few = interesting additional features for interactive note = taking. 

Glen: We should pick one and run it rather than running two = in parallel.

Henrik: I agree and it makes sense to move over. Etherpad has = been overtaken by other tools that are similar but provide more current = features. 

Alissa: In general it would be good to have more of a = standardized framework for how we make these kinds of decisions. This is = pretty ad hoc; someone suggested it, it looks better. I appreciate that = it seems like a better tool but should there be some other kind of = gating criteria for when we make a switch like this? 

Glen: I agree; = constantly having new things to spin up and old to shut down is a hole = with no bottom. Request we have a better procedure for switching to new = tools. 

Alissa: For more controversial things like jabber it would be = better to have a better framework for making these decisions.

Jay: I see a role here = for the architecture team that's being set up and setting a framework = for how the user experience is understood. !e do need a bigger picture = look that we can then use here. 


Let's find some interim meetings to test CodiMD after IETF = 107.


- Continue to have concerns about = Datatracker performance and wondering if this is still in the right = place in priority list or if we should move this up as opposed to adding = new features. 

First we need a way to measure performance. Need to know what = kinds of queries are lagging. Jay and Robert will = discuss. 


- Believe we should = start fronting webservices with nginx and woudl like to start making = progress after 107. 

Glen has a rough plan to move forward and arrangements are = starting to be made behind the scenes.







= --Apple-Mail=_01484B42-F8E2-4629-A269-7E9D181AAA5E-- From nobody Thu Apr 9 11:33:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21B63A0B52 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 76TWe3MqyvwA for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19F073A0B50 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 039IX7ki039982 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 13:33:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1586457188; bh=4egXqLuYsIlRx2LR3vlT8RzLaRlsAYDi4Hlb29fOKOs=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KtkK/q0/BFiBScB8AigWFZB5lnsv5/cU0YhQcyDFQvk6N8mdOVERwt8laRCbnaGkb k4t6hgmxy6vg9Z1pmD0JCKdBfeV8NU0Q74H02ySrDM6n5+5JL/Xb9KfzfrLls5NfXI 0kMaLCReLSYwSWB99xic7/VlNV+o5MeAujjEuqtk= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 13:33:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 18:33:13 -0000 My notes for next week's meeting: On 4/8/20 8:39 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > ** TRYING A NEW OUTLINE FOR THE AGENDA ** > > > Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern > > > JOIN WEBEX MEETING > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools > > JOIN BY PHONE > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools > > > 1. Hot Topics >    - Are tools issues blocking any documents? >    - Are there any priority tool changes needed?     - We made many changes to the datatracker to support the virtualized IETF107       and the increased use of interims after it. The rate of requests for new       features and tweaks to the datatracker support the interims has begun to       slow.     - We are in discussions with Meetecho about integrating Meetecho with the       virtual meetings. > > > 2. Development Projects >    - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans >    - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans     - IOLA provided a first pass at a better meeting schedule editing       interface. I've asked for some changes before we begin testing with the       Secretariat. The implementation is such that the old and new interfaces       are available at the same time.     -  Dashcare has completed part 1 of the automated schedule builder. The        results are in 6.126.0. Jay and I will work with Dashcare to start        part 2.     -  We had a kickoff call with ZX Security, and have provided the        materials needed for the RPC Security code review. We currently        expect work to start on this project either the last week of April        or the first week of May.     -  Work is underway on dropping Python 2 support in the datatracker        codebase. The next steps will be moving to Django 2 and to PostgreSQL.     -  I have completed the repairs to the website needed for snippets to        display links correctly (see release 0.9.16). I have started work on        converting the website to Django 2.0, and subsequently moving to the        most recent version of wagtail. One item of note. We are removing a        transcoder that was used to downconvert the custom javascript torchbox        built for the site to something IE 11 (of the time) worked better with.     -  We are talking with Pantheon about increasing their level of support for        YangCatalog.org, including what it would take to deploy the containerized        version of the application on a cloud service such as Amazon. We have begun        working towards identifying the actions taken while operating yc.o (such as        granting a new sdo access to the API) that can be performed by the Secretariat        and building the right interfaces and training to transition those tasks.     -  Rich Salz and I worked at the codesprint towards replacing the DocumentURL        construct in the datatracker with a more generic ExternalResource, which        would make it easier for chairs to provide github repository references and        usernames to tooling that would be interested in such things. Work on this        slowed just after the 107 week, but I expect to return to it soon. > > 3. Operations Projects >    - Projects progress update and immediate plans > > 4. Planning for upcoming projects >    - SoW under development     - The Github Backup SoW is still pending. Martin put together something that       appears to back up everything needed for a group, but only if the group is       configured to use his continuous integration tooling. This needs more       investigation.     - Testing on fronting the websites with nginx is still planned, but no progress       was made this month. >    - RFP progress update >    - Planning for sizable volunteer projects > > 5. Are there any unmet needs? >    - Open discussion     - Do we need to provide tooling or data-research to support the conversations       around eligibility for future NomComs?     - Last month, we mentioned trialing CodiMD with some upcoming interims, but       action has not started on this idea. > > 6. Is the new agenda outline an improvement? >    - Open discussion > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Apr 9 13:47:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E963A0E1B for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 13:47:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9pqbJ1XrrIuN for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 13:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D3793A0E19 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 13:46:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Daley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A38028F2-845A-42DC-A59C-47E0608D4FAF" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 08:46:56 +1200 References: To: IETF Tools Development In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <65236B6D-97BF-44F3-BF45-FFE7FE76B376@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 20:47:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A38028F2-845A-42DC-A59C-47E0608D4FAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All One of my top level goals is=20 > 3. IETF Tools: Modernise information technology systems and platforms = on which the IETF depends to meet existing and future requirements and = provide a solid foundation for future development, improved reliability, = performance and accessibility. and for that I will be engaging quite heavily with the tools team over = the next year or so both in the tools team meetings and individually. = I=E2=80=99m already very active behind the scenes but the tools team = meetings are important to ensure that the work I=E2=80=99m directing is = transparent and connected to the community. However, I=E2=80=99m unable to make a regular meeting time of 1pm EDT as = that=E2=80=99s 5am for me (when the clocks move back to EST it=E2=80=99s = 7am, which us fine). =20 Given that problem, I wanted to ask if anyone objects to us moving the = time for this call to 3pm or 2:30pm for the next six months or so, so = that I can fully participate? thanks Jay > On 9/04/2020, at 1:39 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 > ** TRYING A NEW OUTLINE FOR THE AGENDA ** >=20 >=20 > Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern >=20 >=20 > JOIN WEBEX MEETING > = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac= > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools >=20 > JOIN BY PHONE > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)=20 > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools >=20 >=20 > 1. Hot Topics > - Are tools issues blocking any documents? > - Are there any priority tool changes needed? >=20 > 2. Development Projects > - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans > - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans >=20 > 3. Operations Projects > - Projects progress update and immediate plans >=20 > 4. Planning for upcoming projects > - SoW under development > - RFP progress update > - Planning for sizable volunteer projects >=20 > 5. Are there any unmet needs? > - Open discussion >=20 > 6. Is the new agenda outline an improvement? > - Open discussion >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_A38028F2-845A-42DC-A59C-47E0608D4FAF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 All

One = of my top level goals is 

3. = IETF Tools: Modernise information technology systems and platforms on = which the IETF depends to meet existing and future requirements and = provide a solid foundation for future development, improved reliability, = performance and accessibility.

and for that I will be engaging quite heavily with = the tools team over the next year or so both in the tools team meetings = and individually.  I=E2=80=99m already very active behind the = scenes but the tools team meetings are important to ensure that the work = I=E2=80=99m directing is transparent and connected to the = community.

However, I=E2=80=99m = unable to make a regular meeting time of 1pm EDT as that=E2=80=99s 5am = for me (when the clocks move back to EST it=E2=80=99s 7am, which us = fine).  

Given that problem, I = wanted to ask if anyone objects to us moving the time for this call to = 3pm or 2:30pm for the next six months or so, so that I can fully = participate?

thanks
Jay

On = 9/04/2020, at 1:39 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

** = TRYING A NEW OUTLINE FOR THE AGENDA **


Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern


JOIN WEBEX MEETING
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1. Hot Topics
  - Are tools issues = blocking any documents?
  - Are there any = priority tool changes needed?

2. = Development Projects
  - Contracted projects = progress update and immediate plans
  - = Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans

3. Operations Projects
  - Projects = progress update and immediate plans

4. = Planning for upcoming projects
  - SoW under = development
  - RFP progress update
  - Planning for sizable volunteer projects

5. Are there any unmet needs?
=   - Open discussion

6. Is the new = agenda outline an improvement?
  - Open = discussion

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IETF = Executive Director
jay@ietf.org

= --Apple-Mail=_A38028F2-845A-42DC-A59C-47E0608D4FAF-- From nobody Thu Apr 9 17:02:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD273A1516 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.852 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.852 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=HoVt4XJY; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=Vp89+nXI Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AYNdU5_ML41u for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 347023A1515 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11362 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2020 00:02:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=2c5f.5e8fb77e.k2004; bh=tvZP5OvNEO+sr+egfVvf4KOy5LCSWGoCLOg8zGZnYvM=; b=HoVt4XJYFDKAYJlA6sKPThncwfgpHYT/r/ofP5JoubBxECx9azRUetnAoQFlYlGjGL6AJxfjbCN8/fnQ+Wq+djaY6KV6+stG0hl/d8uCSBcuxVFMsTX/UgeA1725L0xnN3eFVFunai8AaE1ZH71R2m3xFWUt2RUhMBlJbcVnFNw+2gZtmEHaBAjokszLl6npM8R68644KE0GGuKZck/74rWeSk+NiDKhst3qzQC8JNvAtjuUj5W5KiretwSdJp3u DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=2c5f.5e8fb77e.k2004; bh=tvZP5OvNEO+sr+egfVvf4KOy5LCSWGoCLOg8zGZnYvM=; b=Vp89+nXINV+9SbMMR5Bu4MOafAIIkVwuMuyR00XZ5nl7IN73mbvriIVgPPlUL328NIpzYJsRJ2HJ5pfqhsltiIg/gS+sdRXMOe+O3a2rH0bLGvW88S79enAN+0PPa4MNBacjdlut1R36Km4zVm+XlpWPEJKOCcJK5v1TgD0kFDEpa6bMFkGjIzxJJYIXXJd21BgE40diLtxSdCZPb7iEMq6sC6lS9WOGNNdcyH0g/wFPMP+QTQ3Mv7mKXjI7YbZC Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 10 Apr 2020 00:02:06 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6D6DE1764790; Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: 9 Apr 2020 20:02:06 -0400 Message-Id: <20200410000206.6D6DE1764790@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: tools-development@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <65236B6D-97BF-44F3-BF45-FFE7FE76B376@ietf.org> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:02:10 -0000 In article <65236B6D-97BF-44F3-BF45-FFE7FE76B376@ietf.org> you write: >Given that problem, I wanted to ask if anyone objects to us moving the time for this call to 3pm or >2:30pm for the next six months or so, so that I can fully participate? The RFC Editor meeting is 3-330 and it'd be nice to be able to go to both. Later at 4PM here would be fine. 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Alissa > On Apr 8, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 > ** TRYING A NEW OUTLINE FOR THE AGENDA ** >=20 >=20 > Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern >=20 >=20 > JOIN WEBEX MEETING > = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac= > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools >=20 > JOIN BY PHONE > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)=20 > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools >=20 >=20 > 1. Hot Topics > - Are tools issues blocking any documents? > - Are there any priority tool changes needed? >=20 > 2. Development Projects > - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans > - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans >=20 > 3. Operations Projects > - Projects progress update and immediate plans >=20 > 4. Planning for upcoming projects > - SoW under development > - RFP progress update > - Planning for sizable volunteer projects >=20 > 5. Are there any unmet needs? > - Open discussion >=20 > 6. Is the new agenda outline an improvement? > - Open discussion >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Mon Apr 13 07:32:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009173A16CD for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=VF38GW57; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=Ew3KLbw4 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ECF2AvY9-8Xh for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B6F83A16CC for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9052A2CE; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm2; bh=F x3pFPPxDiT6tG0hM9NKyUhlArZu/FY2d2ewBlq2pqg=; b=VF38GW57pIu95YHeZ yhZUpddwn1kvR8ndglMn1Hy6yN5xvEExWHimD5y257AG71hw9fCtwU7lT90hZmzH DPWzeEAL2UMnGIw8Tel34yp4yFNbydFfrXx1a8AsE1tzH9rwauzKSHCykNxSM0OA lRgJfh12WogqsbNtw7c4T6sFh8TpF7xAx/Ww5hydRkRHUxL1KjiIYYKhn0Ls9SJq fP2v6zpHVh5r/z8tiszCU08wxIlk07rCG4OtpjIvVghbVzpe1gCymfVzPmlm7Y8b QhhOk8PBCzolwBiT3kgKPlme4Z7ztSz1hU/dJ1R6fdVLjGeK1Su2HEs3A5FchB3A 6JGUg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=Fx3pFPPxDiT6tG0hM9NKyUhlArZu/FY2d2ewBlq2p qg=; b=Ew3KLbw4RJPjGur94qgb7KaXqgaSVrQGqM2Aa9Kyin7KpSttf0rdxiZvs 256/bmWsRZmFuQEsHYtctz01ReZlpHM1uPfxuvKMFinoQud5xihWE9iCYOtlYjFu O1znZPq0QIp8jxv2TbUmtVDp6LD8I8C/aHuX00rDhabjt2MgsJGYElO8do3qPKKY NI23oGv6HTCw4Y9kO0WrAon+5l8sdgI5Y1BAt6plXCV2/JkiB/Zs5o+OOngpryLu 0qqOF0OswCN+iqSqv9H16AbOACbwTpUAVGMOq5ZShVlkEbM7ahvL/7+9nH4LnTD9 +uIfWQY9i1kYIXEBkvpM5dwltG62A== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrvdelgdektdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhishhs rgcuvehoohhpvghruceorghlihhsshgrsegtohhophgvrhifrdhinheqnecuffhomhgrih hnpehivghtfhdrohhrghenucfkphepuddtkedrhedurddutddurdelkeenucevlhhushht vghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhishhsrgestghooh hpvghrfidrihhn X-ME-Proxy: Received: from alcoop-m-c46z.fios-router.home (pool-108-51-101-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.101.98]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8AC70306005C; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.5\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:18 -0400 Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46BF897D-28B6-48F5-9150-626138356BCB@cooperw.in> References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:32:23 -0000 Hi Robert, > On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: > > > > 5. Are there any unmet needs? > > - Open discussion >=20 > - Do we need to provide tooling or data-research to support the = conversations > around eligibility for future NomComs? Emphatic yes on data. =46rom Stephen=E2=80=99s last mail to eligibility-discuss, I assumed he = and Brian were already talking to you about this. If not, let=E2=80=99s = definitely sync up on the minimal data production that could be done to = inform the discussion. Thanks, Alissa >=20 > - Last month, we mentioned trialing CodiMD with some upcoming = interims, but > action has not started on this idea. > > > > 6. Is the new agenda outline an improvement? > > - Open discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Tue Apr 14 02:56:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB703A0957; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 02:56:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, 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port 10026) with ESMTP id kdMYer2UF5Hh for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DC0730009A; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Message-Id: <4F462AF0-D2AC-439F-91BD-797FC8FEE860@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:04:13 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development To: IETF Chair , IESG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Team Report -- 14 April 2020 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:04:21 -0000 Tools Team Report -- 14 April 2020 1. Datatracker Projects - See https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN -- Raised the priority for the transition to Django 2.0. -- Raised the priority for the transition to PostgreSQL. - IOLA has completed the work on Meeting Application Improvements, and testings by the Secretariat will begin this week. Of course, issues raised in testing will be resolved promptly. - Dashcare completed the first part of the automated meeting schedule builder, and now the IETF LLC is negotiating for the work to begin on the second part, which is the pat that will actually generate a draft IETF meeting schedule for the Secretariat. - Contracts for Tools Maintenance and Minor Tools Enhancements were awarded to Elf Tools and Painless Security, respectively. In both cases work is going well. - Heads up: There is an on going discussion about NomCom eligibility in light of an all virtual IETF 107. Discussions have begun regarding the changes that might be needed to support the Secretariat in seating the next NomCom. 2. Community & Other Projects - Investigating the use of CodiMD instead of Etherpad was delayed by the work in the Datatracker to support an all virtual IETF meeting. Current plan is to deploy CodiMD in a cloud service and let any groups that have a desire experiment with CodiMD. This experiment should show whether CodiMD is a better fit for IETF needs than Etherpad. - Discussions have begun about how Meetecho can be used to support virtual interim meetings. 3. RFC Services Projects - Some documents were blocked by a bug in xml2rfc; the fix was released earlier today. - ZX Security will conduct a security review of the tools used by the RFC Production Center in April and early May. Once any security problems that are found are fixed, these tools will be released to a open source repository. 4. Server Infrastructure - Exploring the use of nginx in front of some web sites. 5. YANG Catalog - A development copy of YANGcatalog.org is running in a container. We are exploring the deployment of that container in the cloud service. - PANTHEON.tech handles YANG Catalog maintenance and many administrative actions under contract. We are exploring which of the administrative actions could be performed by the Secretariat, and how the web interface would need to change for them to do so. From nobody Tue Apr 14 12:59:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6593A0E06 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O3RrH_78PGck for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7107D3A0E04 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46AD300B56 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:59:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Vf6EbdSJ1eXn for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09E0A3001A7; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4F462AF0-D2AC-439F-91BD-797FC8FEE860@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:59:26 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <035B6252-9D8C-4DF6-A8DB-610E4D580980@vigilsec.com> References: <4F462AF0-D2AC-439F-91BD-797FC8FEE860@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Chair , IESG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Team Report -- 14 April 2020 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:59:34 -0000 Robert pointed out that I misunderstood one thing that he said on the = Tools Team call earlier today. Here is an update to the report to = correct my misunderstanding. Russ > On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Tools Team Report -- 14 April 2020 >=20 > 1. Datatracker Projects > - See https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN > -- Raised the priority for the transition to Django 2.0. > -- Raised the priority for the transition to PostgreSQL. > - IOLA has completed the work on Meeting Application Improvements, > and testings by the Secretariat will begin this week. Of course, > issues raised in testing will be resolved promptly. - IOLA has delivered part of the work on Meeting Application Improvements, and testing by the Secretariat on the meeting schedule editing capability will begin this week. Of course, issues raised in testing will be resolved promptly. IOLA is continuing to work on the rest of their contract deliverables. > - Dashcare completed the first part of the automated meeting = schedule > builder, and now the IETF LLC is negotiating for the work to begin > on the second part, which is the pat that will actually generate a > draft IETF meeting schedule for the Secretariat. > - Contracts for Tools Maintenance and Minor Tools Enhancements were > awarded to Elf Tools and Painless Security, respectively. In both > cases work is going well. > - Heads up: There is an on going discussion about NomCom eligibility > in light of an all virtual IETF 107. Discussions have begun > regarding the changes that might be needed to support the > Secretariat in seating the next NomCom. >=20 > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Investigating the use of CodiMD instead of Etherpad was delayed by > the work in the Datatracker to support an all virtual IETF = meeting. > Current plan is to deploy CodiMD in a cloud service and let any > groups that have a desire experiment with CodiMD. This experiment > should show whether CodiMD is a better fit for IETF needs than > Etherpad. > - Discussions have begun about how Meetecho can be used to support > virtual interim meetings. >=20 > 3. RFC Services Projects > - Some documents were blocked by a bug in xml2rfc; the fix was=20 > released earlier today. > - ZX Security will conduct a security review of the tools used by = the > RFC Production Center in April and early May. Once any security > problems that are found are fixed, these tools will be released to > a open source repository. >=20 > 4. Server Infrastructure > - Exploring the use of nginx in front of some web sites. >=20 > 5. YANG Catalog > - A development copy of YANGcatalog.org is running in a container. > We are exploring the deployment of that container in the cloud > service. > - PANTHEON.tech handles YANG Catalog maintenance and many > administrative actions under contract. We are exploring which of > the administrative actions could be performed by the Secretariat, > and how the web interface would need to change for them to do so. From nobody Wed Apr 15 07:52:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802B13A09AE for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bq_dT3UT5YV0 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA1F43A09AB for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCDF2033A3 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qSg9nAPO4Gvn for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amy-vezzas-mbp.home (pool-108-49-35-76.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.49.35.76]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED7982033A0 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Vezza Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <6115E24E-C2C1-4F34-829D-5A20235188B8@amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:52:38 -0400 To: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IESG Formal Telechat on a Friday X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:52:43 -0000 Hi All, Due to the higher than normal number of virtual interim meetings = happening in the month of April, the IESG decided a few weeks ago to = move the regular Thursday April 23rd Formal Telechat to Friday, April = 24th. It will be at the regular time for the calls (07:00-09:00 US-PT = (14:00-16:00 UTC)).=20 Robert indicated this may change a date for your schedule of datatracker = deployments, and you could use a heads up that the datatracker will be = in heavy use by the IESG leading up to the Friday teleconference.=20 Best regards, Amy From nobody Wed Apr 15 08:52:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6215F3A0B30 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iATRVS2xhjer for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CAE73A0B27 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41215300B53 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Dt7XTG111k84 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8292300A02; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <6115E24E-C2C1-4F34-829D-5A20235188B8@amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:52:17 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <24232E19-7C43-41B0-94A0-8DE56060E573@vigilsec.com> References: <6115E24E-C2C1-4F34-829D-5A20235188B8@amsl.com> To: Amy Vezza X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IESG Formal Telechat on a Friday X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:52:21 -0000 Thanks for the heads up. Russ > On Apr 15, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Amy Vezza wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > Due to the higher than normal number of virtual interim meetings = happening in the month of April, the IESG decided a few weeks ago to = move the regular Thursday April 23rd Formal Telechat to Friday, April = 24th. It will be at the regular time for the calls (07:00-09:00 US-PT = (14:00-16:00 UTC)).=20 >=20 > Robert indicated this may change a date for your schedule of = datatracker deployments, and you could use a heads up that the = datatracker will be in heavy use by the IESG leading up to the Friday = teleconference.=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Amy >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Apr 15 12:56:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C4E3A08A2 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YsoCRDHUXDtL for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A4A13A08C9 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193F7300B59 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:56:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 60uEYlkGhfez for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF02A300AB0; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <65236B6D-97BF-44F3-BF45-FFE7FE76B376@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:56:04 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <65236B6D-97BF-44F3-BF45-FFE7FE76B376@ietf.org> To: Jay Daley , Liz Flynn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Time for future Tools Calls X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:56:09 -0000 Jay: > One of my top level goals is=20 >=20 >> 3. IETF Tools: Modernise information technology systems and platforms = on which the IETF depends to meet existing and future requirements and = provide a solid foundation for future development, improved reliability, = performance and accessibility. >=20 > and for that I will be engaging quite heavily with the tools team over = the next year or so both in the tools team meetings and individually. = I=E2=80=99m already very active behind the scenes but the tools team = meetings are important to ensure that the work I=E2=80=99m directing is = transparent and connected to the community. >=20 > However, I=E2=80=99m unable to make a regular meeting time of 1pm EDT = as that=E2=80=99s 5am for me (when the clocks move back to EST it=E2=80=99= s 7am, which us fine). =20 >=20 > Given that problem, I wanted to ask if anyone objects to us moving the = time for this call to 3pm or 2:30pm for the next six months or so, so = that I can fully participate? Based on this request and the discussion that followed, we will move the = Tools Calls on May12, June 9, July 14, September 8, and October 13 to = 2:00pm Eastern. Remember that we do not hold a Tools Call in August. = Then, on November 1, DST ends in the US, so we will see if a different = time is needed, otherwise we will go back to 1:00 Eastern. Liz, would you please adjust the iCal. Russ From nobody Wed Apr 15 14:51:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB7F3A08F3; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JFPCxSkKt48T; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80B4A3A090C; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C6A203300; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Er2UGq2X0ENr; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:643:8100:9ff0:49d0:1559:d386:c3bc] (unknown [IPv6:2601:643:8100:9ff0:49d0:1559:d386:c3bc]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F2BC20336B; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Flynn Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1320D754-C7F0-416B-8638-3CA48F3CD9FA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:51:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Jay Daley , IETF Tools Development To: Russ Housley References: <65236B6D-97BF-44F3-BF45-FFE7FE76B376@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Time for future Tools Calls X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:51:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1320D754-C7F0-416B-8638-3CA48F3CD9FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone, The calendar has been updated to reflect those changes!=20 Liz Flynn Project Manager / IETF lflynn@amsl.com > On Apr 15, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Jay: >=20 >> One of my top level goals is=20 >>=20 >>> 3. IETF Tools: Modernise information technology systems and = platforms on which the IETF depends to meet existing and future = requirements and provide a solid foundation for future development, = improved reliability, performance and accessibility. >>=20 >> and for that I will be engaging quite heavily with the tools team = over the next year or so both in the tools team meetings and = individually. I=E2=80=99m already very active behind the scenes but the = tools team meetings are important to ensure that the work I=E2=80=99m = directing is transparent and connected to the community. >>=20 >> However, I=E2=80=99m unable to make a regular meeting time of 1pm EDT = as that=E2=80=99s 5am for me (when the clocks move back to EST it=E2=80=99= s 7am, which us fine). =20 >>=20 >> Given that problem, I wanted to ask if anyone objects to us moving = the time for this call to 3pm or 2:30pm for the next six months or so, = so that I can fully participate? >=20 > Based on this request and the discussion that followed, we will move = the Tools Calls on May12, June 9, July 14, September 8, and October 13 = to 2:00pm Eastern. Remember that we do not hold a Tools Call in August. = Then, on November 1, DST ends in the US, so we will see if a different = time is needed, otherwise we will go back to 1:00 Eastern. >=20 > Liz, would you please adjust the iCal. >=20 > Russ >=20 --Apple-Mail=_1320D754-C7F0-416B-8638-3CA48F3CD9FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone,

The calendar has been updated to reflect those = changes! 

Liz Flynn
Project Manager / IETF




On Apr 15, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Jay:

One of my top level goals is

3. IETF Tools: Modernise = information technology systems and platforms on which the IETF depends = to meet existing and future requirements and provide a solid foundation = for future development, improved reliability, performance and = accessibility.

and for that I = will be engaging quite heavily with the tools team over the next year or = so both in the tools team meetings and individually.  I=E2=80=99m = already very active behind the scenes but the tools team meetings are = important to ensure that the work I=E2=80=99m directing is transparent = and connected to the community.

However, = I=E2=80=99m unable to make a regular meeting time of 1pm EDT as that=E2=80= =99s 5am for me (when the clocks move back to EST it=E2=80=99s 7am, = which us fine).  

Given that problem, = I wanted to ask if anyone objects to us moving the time for this call to = 3pm or 2:30pm for the next six months or so, so that I can fully = participate?

Based on this = request and the discussion that followed, we will move the Tools Calls = on May12, June 9, July 14, September 8, and October 13 to 2:00pm = Eastern.  Remember that we do not hold a Tools Call in August. =  Then, on November 1, DST ends in the US, so we will see if a = different time is needed, otherwise we will go back to 1:00 Eastern.

Liz, would you please adjust the iCal.

Russ


= --Apple-Mail=_1320D754-C7F0-416B-8638-3CA48F3CD9FA-- From nobody Thu Apr 16 10:53:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0D13A0A00 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oSsMlPb44lNa for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52CCC3A09FC for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBA220332E for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C-C-R8_Qu0J0 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:643:8100:9ff0:f838:7458:b1bf:4de8] (unknown [IPv6:2601:643:8100:9ff0:f838:7458:b1bf:4de8]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3728B20332D for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Flynn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_28242DC5-B078-4687-B154-4FA57D085288" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <614BAAD6-2FF3-4970-8686-74107E30C107@amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:52:55 -0700 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Notes - 14 April 2020 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:53:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_28242DC5-B078-4687-B154-4FA57D085288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tools Call Notes -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 Eastern 1. Hot Topics Russ: I've noticed a lot of discussion about Etherpad. Is that sorted? Glen: Not necessarily sorted, but the people in the discussion are = happy. For now, it's stable, but it's still on my radar for future = upgrading.=20 - Are tools issues blocking any documents? Alice: The release that happened this morning should release the = documents that are awaiting publication.=20 John: We'll need to reconstruct some PDFs. Since they're not canonical = it's okay, but I wanted to give a heads up that we will be doing it.=20 - Are there any priority tool changes needed? Roman: We likely will need tools support if we do Nomcom differently. = Trying to get the document sorted out about what happened with 107 and = after we close consensus on that we'll have a better sense.=20 Robert: There has been quite a lot of activity on supporting virtual = meetings and increased use of interims. The Upcoming Meetings page now = looks more like a regular agenda page. The rate of requests to support = interims has gone down. We are talking with Meetecho about better = integration between datatracker, registration system, and Meetecho, to = better support Meetecho use in virtual interim meetings.=20 Roman: Phenomenal work on the upcoming meetings page, it's very helpful.=20= 2. Development Projects - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans - IOLA has given a first pass at a better version of meeting schedule = editing interface. We need to retest it and if it passes Robert will set = up an instance for the Secretariat to start exploring.=20 - Dashcare is done with part 1 of the automated schedule builder. = Waiting to kick off part 2; Jay will work with them on a contract for = part 2. Russ: Was Part 2 not awarded? Robert: Parts 1 and 2 were awarded but part 1 came from the 2019 = budget and part 2 will come from 2020.=20 - ZX Security has the tools they need to do code review. They will not = be testing against the production system; they are going to test against = their own instance they set up.=20 - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans Henrik is well underway to drop Python 2 support in the datatracker. = After finishing Python 2 Henrik's next step will be moving to Django = 2.0. After that we can do work to support Meetecho integration.=20 Website repairs have been completed. We are removing a transcoder that = was used to downconvert the custom javascript torchbox built for the = site to something IE 11 (of the time) worked better with. 3. Operations Projects - Projects progress update and immediate plans Glen: None right now. Nginx is something on my mind to work on. I'm not = aware of any reason to wait for anyone else before I try to stage a = generic instance of it. In an ordinary world, I think it would happen in = the next month, but don't want to make any promises. 4. Planning for upcoming projects - SoW under development - RFP progress update - Planning for sizable volunteer projects None at this time. 5. Are there any unmet needs? - Open discussion Robert: Re: CodiMD, I propose we set up some instances of this for = testing. I will spin up something and let groups use it if they want.=20 6. Is the new agenda outline an improvement? Seems to work well for everyone; we'll keep using this and refine as = needed. AOB Call time -- We will shift the call time later so that Jay can join. Liz Flynn Project Manager / IETF lflynn@amsl.com --Apple-Mail=_28242DC5-B078-4687-B154-4FA57D085288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Tools Call Notes -- 14 April 2020 at 1:00 = Eastern



1. = Hot Topics


Russ: I've noticed a lot of discussion = about Etherpad. Is that sorted?

Glen: Not necessarily sorted, but the = people in the discussion are happy. For now, it's stable, but it's still = on my radar for future upgrading. 


  - Are tools issues blocking any documents?

Alice: The release that = happened this morning should release the documents that are awaiting = publication. 

John: We'll need to reconstruct some PDFs. Since they're not = canonical it's okay, but I wanted to give a heads up that we will be = doing it. 


  - Are there any = priority tool changes needed?

Roman: We likely will need tools = support if we do Nomcom differently. Trying to get the document sorted = out about what happened with 107 and after we close consensus on that = we'll have a better sense. 


Robert: There has been quite a lot of activity on supporting = virtual meetings and increased use of interims. The Upcoming Meetings = page now looks more like a regular agenda page. The rate of requests to = support interims has gone down. We are talking with Meetecho about = better integration between datatracker, registration system, and = Meetecho, to better support Meetecho use in virtual interim = meetings. 

Roman: Phenomenal work on the upcoming meetings page, it's = very helpful. 




2. Development = Projects
  - Contracted projects progress = update and immediate plans

- IOLA has given a first pass at a better version of meeting = schedule editing interface. We need to retest it and if it passes Robert = will set up an instance for the Secretariat to start = exploring. 

- Dashcare is done with part 1 of the automated schedule = builder. Waiting to kick off part 2; Jay will work with them on a = contract for part 2.
  Russ: Was Part 2 not = awarded?
  Robert: Parts 1 and 2 were awarded = but part 1 came from the 2019 budget and part 2 will come from = 2020. 

- = ZX Security has the tools they need to do code review. They will not be = testing against the production system; they are going to test against = their own instance they set up. 


  - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate = plans

Henrik = is well underway to drop Python 2 support in the datatracker. =  After finishing Python 2 Henrik's next step will be moving to = Django 2.0. After that we can do work to support Meetecho = integration. 

Website repairs have been completed. We are removing a = transcoder that was used to downconvert the custom javascript torchbox = built for the site to something IE 11 (of the time) worked better = with.



3. = Operations Projects
  - Projects progress = update and immediate plans

Glen: None right now. Nginx is something on my mind to work = on. I'm not aware of any reason to wait for anyone else before I try to = stage a generic instance of it. In an ordinary world, I think it would = happen in the next month, but don't want to make any promises.



4. Planning for upcoming = projects

  = - SoW under development
  - RFP progress = update
  - Planning for sizable volunteer = projects

None = at this time.


5. Are there any unmet = needs?
  - Open discussion

Robert: Re: CodiMD, I = propose we set up some instances of this for testing. I will spin up = something and let groups use it if they want. 



6. Is the new agenda = outline an improvement?

Seems to work well for everyone; we'll keep using this and = refine as needed.



AOB

Call time -- We will shift the call time later so that Jay = can join.






Liz Flynn
Project Manager / IETF




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