From nobody Sat Dec 9 11:32:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C06127866 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:32:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gz3AbDDba8Cb for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA838127843 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jude (192.168.0.11) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:31:28 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: 'RFC Editor' CC: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0532_01D370E1.6D346860" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdNxJE3+pwomYjW7R6qdFyl2O7LZKQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [192.168.0.11] Archived-At: Subject: [xml2rfc-dev] The &RFC.number; entity X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 19:32:52 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0532_01D370E1.6D346860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This entity has disappeared in the V3 vocabulary. I would like to have the RFC Editor tell us if this is a used item that needs to be added back to the vocabulary in some way. (Hopefully not as an entity.) Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0532_01D370E1.6D346860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This entity has disappeared in the V3 = vocabulary.  I would like to have the RFC Editor tell us if this is = a used item that needs to be added back to the vocabulary in some = way.  (Hopefully not as an entity.)

 

Jim

 

------=_NextPart_000_0532_01D370E1.6D346860-- From nobody Sat Dec 9 15:14:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ADA1270A0 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:14:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EDg6OQLySyjB for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9059C126E7A for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:14:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.68.121]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MHX0m-1eKUwC1U2W-003M29; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:14:38 +0100 To: Jim Schaad , 'RFC Editor' Cc: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <4f16759a-5bd8-faa0-e518-17a750f7c51f@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:14:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:P201ujawRCQl+B7UVAi45WkxSTEzH9EgdJ9FKH5C9py540obFLE z9oO7XOIHkKMsHdOcUo+ThZ1r0G8vbqUFCKQjHXBjV1LKBOu5aCFtjL2Gl/NMRz6I4U1R+m NC1hxJXXBNMWKlLt9fX9mtPt/9HAey/CMtHuO6VKNlnkm0d/XAQmXcJRMF6Btw3vq0e8DU5 fNAkom70WL93u2BZvUbyQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:+lEAZOAMOPE=:aPzd1JNUVtZd7sakkqQvYi 0fI8r0Rft3pPyD/6rLlZl1puPKTxCRT/AwVZQ6N38K7bEqXfPOi5aiiH9XM74GqplqcunhPLz ttQNVnaR6qUYYHFVwGyftTJ/hCTwKfsUU+IKY3doBlaC2o/mZ7c9xOkNHsF6VYA7qYujmNFCj 568LlMxUGMF2d+8kgrTyg3R+bDhUHQUWqu9jXe3fZR7yzLTVFh9cdobU6+x+z4SE/6YzcRyaO q6UxonIsIVP9LQRUIvC0q+P3hGYK7n/rxOYwGL9H2mQLu5/+24QIrHo76YPQjm+cSLsVnpYVH 6e1PdJ/ANOFNDNL2RVsv+KcGFIm/ml0gHIlTFcwpRE+7kPKS+yEEZyGsBfjbc/sC8r90bKASg nAhkAOjHX2AwIGy02Nd7qbmqT0NfFmGlqay3qAjhWeF/7cUHcxUxW8DOsunIFh+WLyHTucT4e TGYT9wqrH76IfXorJwtlib5GFHY/H2ziKkoZojuzo6wSbj+VkTKC8H+atz5y9nmiuHHQacM0w 93PLSldqVWP1RkrVavRE5oSyZKbRg/iETO+Xn/qi9PGinytSGSfVz69hXjswOODRCyPalKnhx kZR62pLPaMNEdddzNXCDgkokwpCkD0GyoO1WB+yhFulK5+BLfMdNpdq/P3quOGPVzrpHcsiy6 4T0KLBickz10bm4yIbbUMBy3evTXj80jnb2djbhrUip0/WZZK4FmipeyT3EwBIfHGcY88TJw5 vLkb9kKBFw6M5gCdj/xUCzx9c9m/5MvYVL10HmJnn9ZFhWFvDB1lXgTDYype0cmyhX/OHvH7a AZUh00RQXeUSmUsJWhlY4mcuf6uP6+MUWtkCq2zK5FNn5KRNBM= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] The &RFC.number; entity X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 23:14:51 -0000 On 2017-12-09 20:32, Jim Schaad wrote: > This entity has disappeared in the V3 vocabulary. I would like to have > the RFC Editor tell us if this is a used item that needs to be added > back to the vocabulary in some way. (Hopefully not as an entity.) > > Jim By definition an entity definition can not be part of the vocabulary. But you can always define it yourself, although I don't see how that's better than just putting in the RFC number verbatim. Best regards, Julian From nobody Sat Dec 9 16:43:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88A1127241 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:43:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JoZI3RdczMDw for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD294127005 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:42:14 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Julian Reschke' , 'RFC Editor' CC: References: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> <4f16759a-5bd8-faa0-e518-17a750f7c51f@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4f16759a-5bd8-faa0-e518-17a750f7c51f@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:43:25 -0800 Message-ID: <055701d3714f$e5330ec0$af992c40$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJ0Xtb5WWt2VeRp0T2BBA2cuneorQHsiIJtoep7H/A= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] The &RFC.number; entity X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:43:38 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de] > Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:15 PM > To: Jim Schaad ; 'RFC Editor' editor.org> > Cc: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] The &RFC.number; entity >=20 > On 2017-12-09 20:32, Jim Schaad wrote: > > This entity has disappeared in the V3 vocabulary.=A0 I would like to > > have the RFC Editor tell us if this is a used item that needs to be > > added back to the vocabulary in some way.=A0 (Hopefully not as an > > entity.) > > > > Jim >=20 > By definition an entity definition can not be part of the vocabulary. >=20 > But you can always define it yourself, although I don't see how that's better > than just putting in the RFC number verbatim. >=20 > Best regards, Julian It may not be part of the vocabulary, but applications can have = predefined entities that they recognized and process. My understanding is that = this is how HTML works with such items as  . I would far prefer to type = that into my documents than to type  . I am never going to remember = what the second one is but can easily understand the first. This is = something that you get implicitly with your XSLT transformation to HTML as you can just leave them in there and they will get interpreted correctly. This = is not true with some of the other tools that will need to be able to understand these items. I am more than happy in general for entities to go away, and would cheer = if the DOCTYPE element was tagged as being an error in a V3 document. I would propose that all of the standard HTML entities defined in it's = DTD be included by reference and be recognized as entities that all of the = RFC Editor tools should recognize.=20 Jim From nobody Sat Dec 9 18:47:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6E412762F for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:47:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=itaoyama.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKHfX0hawwww for ; 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entity X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 02:47:05 -0000 On 2017/12/10 08:14, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2017-12-09 20:32, Jim Schaad wrote: >> This entity has disappeared in the V3 vocabulary.  I would like to >> have the RFC Editor tell us if this is a used item that needs to be >> added back to the vocabulary in some way.  (Hopefully not as an entity.) >> >> Jim > > By definition an entity definition can not be part of the vocabulary. > > But you can always define it yourself, although I don't see how that's > better than just putting in the RFC number verbatim. Not if you don't know it yet. Which is the case as long as it's a draft. The typical example for this is some registration template, where you e.g. have something like: >>>> Security Considerations: See Security Considerations Section of RFC &RFC.number;. >>>> This is much easier than putting "RFC XXXX" there, and then have a "Note to the RFC Editor" saying to please replace the XXXX in RFC XXXX with the actual number. Regards, Martin. From nobody Sat Dec 9 21:51:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A8D120454 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:51:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5MH4RWKC_85 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97DB91267BB for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.96.62]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lugbo-1f5jip1znM-00zllF; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:50:47 +0100 To: Jim Schaad , 'RFC Editor' Cc: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> <4f16759a-5bd8-faa0-e518-17a750f7c51f@gmx.de> <055701d3714f$e5330ec0$af992c40$@augustcellars.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <0f943aa8-ff1c-38ec-11aa-0a9406122cae@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:50:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <055701d3714f$e5330ec0$af992c40$@augustcellars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:cHiQmrA23vhiMZuvlcRkFZMfldjEuFL34XAGr6IJv2d42Qw1s+5 a7e/+pntxm5sHjVbewujnz+t5R77pXEfhXma5zxycwn3iPQZLscXQFpG7jNUG16REbGSwE3 e0hMyKg6HQ+F0UZeecpPDWD4IlxuLVyvfe7Hz+rrjBrHAAd6iiVBmlCB7qFMSn5eNiIK4Dx HM45JX2JtS20JHJ4Efaug== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:s5M9tj4IpVE=:/hBQ87BsNdDSAlMJb6PmUY w5bxzsWXOE5LJ/G0sjsZiQUF/pu4VbE2+QRSbYGU06TN8Nj/PdMGJO3pRSYPfPhu/Lx3mslEY NBYxB1G8wsUidCibKhDod9YRL6OJPz64jpVWvpiYZWqtMzBxgic6eExZ8+3JctaR+rFEkWr0e 0Ta4KPhZKnJwu0yWo60/gxkwZyHLNgEzubHDd+vuavVqbvbHr0ssgaR1puc3moTG3I8153qve H2YjW/852vKEez7sD95cs3VO+ikZh3MXh8naOm8ZPobl81r8WEvFM1bEvK0N6PaY9QfQCo9yu +NLlF4yFw0Ove17IkuqdXyyq4tKB7dCkriSD7ysNmCCRSh1f9CmkGhuJngw9xfuvlIEfcgjOd nVivDKUX3ybOy4DwbkE0sHO7R/TW5BoDSRSFkYsu2V7rlIxccJH3O8A3ekRF/eMNPTYrMOKtZ WqL1dUCA0XgRCCC3155UJG8h1jztkCrIvBQe1q/2mxgInzVfwx2YtPs/TzPP02x0CNvZsaA2E mMrZOF31Lqlf+DPM/KsY7gfO7OqS/UjBwU1t/7SD7S3HaC2VtNuXxb+mJr3sKToQLWFKskYP+ z/+J2se1B4AqMrpQDddDVV+NwAvkyWL5/7+YvZYSJUvOC8N7pIzYt3yKZZoMNVy0SnfqzkEXa YRdWiikSNDxBy/hoiQBV4/4fecjHJGB0+T2Xjwur4hq9G4bMsx0MwQzhGPQvwhggkeuM78g9M wv8I6sevV07PAXL2iCcUxntMSfXLE6Mpj6Jsek3ZtNWzG2oK0+MHb9Bgnu7veYbzy7XvZbzdU EZBf03ZiLngx3Kbshci+kKvIBMNozXWHb8HipPOf45vOA+bOCg= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] The &RFC.number; entity X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:51:27 -0000 On 2017-12-10 01:43, Jim Schaad wrote: > It may not be part of the vocabulary, but applications can have predefined > entities that they recognized and process. My understanding is that this is > how HTML works with such items as  . I would far prefer to type that > into my documents than to type  . I am never going to remember what HTML is not XML. You can have any entity you want in XML, but you need to define it somewhere. Otherwise the document isn't well-formed XML. > the second one is but can easily understand the first. This is something > that you get implicitly with your XSLT transformation to HTML as you can > just leave them in there and they will get interpreted correctly. This is > not true with some of the other tools that will need to be able to > understand these items. > > I am more than happy in general for entities to go away, and would cheer if > the DOCTYPE element was tagged as being an error in a V3 document. Why? It's optional, and always was. You can use it to define your own entities. > I would propose that all of the standard HTML entities defined in it's DTD > be included by reference and be recognized as entities that all of the RFC > Editor tools should recognize. That's impossible unless we give up on the vocabulary being XML. Best regards, Julian From nobody Sat Dec 9 21:52:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FE3120454 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:52:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P8NmdSGGwUh2 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91717126D74 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([93.217.96.62]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MeP5b-1ehNJZ3MXX-00Q9X5; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:51:58 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J._D=c3=bcrst?= , Jim Schaad , 'RFC Editor' Cc: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> <4f16759a-5bd8-faa0-e518-17a750f7c51f@gmx.de> <94b50272-0421-67c8-487f-e875b581e39e@it.aoyama.ac.jp> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <55ffbd75-b828-4a36-9248-98cb1b297388@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:51:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <94b50272-0421-67c8-487f-e875b581e39e@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:fiSTt/YiZxbpilZpXLJebcsKDhkYKq8l33PB8ET5mQEEXGNyfnS OCMWSRiNZxGLybDqrn7dYQuXCFpgJCQjOzUpybXg6pwqAxrfwe+d70pxULsRNQAWgPGHch3 nycaUZEgmoslf3aQiD0nZ8ZqPDwW3ZyvNOWSpheSDM3OUhpVEPHKgiEjxnzaILX3tjzNtkg RhXHOuFlKldJmPrEr6DKw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:KHUCUk+2+tI=:r61r0lAG5qDKaGoEN39efk cwoz3P4r37W/ptSkQNqaYV7oxFsyy2QpHc1OgW1HO5JO3/4eg/K4ZL24R8mD7N2DZpbmpbXgG 2cKXj1yNMlnGQof4hmhtuPaBDZCq466juhb1GdfZWQLR8hCoZnsobRuhL/VckTFThuKalQSjb dg8jOFiWo0/MLWRDV1jPx2kvVREk9vx/UsfKWuYb6F1EvalK/q9YXOWxCZlE0os0buW6W6iHO JaQv7pFh5788KFnsS8Imh9TGcfafWOe0L28laX8wN8nyU/PhZYgyj/i7lEKD8KvjUwzYYTZMF e/3B0A6wGYT+4dSSpVNsFeGSgaB9qqpvmMZtjDU0xzuRrMQUQ6doUvwO96rrfg9bC81wFY0MH mUnjmI5d33OCiy/L/mB4x+iRltkt3Si7pS9bGQ1iTTE2nCzHqiPxoiEkiBE6Yd4IYdCyCTFLb 3JLls9QQx+WJB4W5viY2ADZ84tRAF2JftTUsWDRbO0JEzx88xczXgv3MfTGpFh4Vk4gchXP0v 5+Q5vghirjR8uCv9lvReZuoevtxm2m3t+6vQASh7ZYJp/qOq+lpyXrQd3mUKFCgi9Nm+II3i2 DtN1ke5X081q3iv9wuYtakBvcJcXCKrqL+rOSYg+RjvpjvUxI0poSndomcwud117YORo2wP1i q0Njtve98EDjeS+S6AX4vjtJy+m7lqfiHNcYy7jwXWbH7XWqvIIUfYy8QttVdqqEO20S9pS89 mXxHAiSlVjPQXufWyyYu/GHdsFrjAc1al6i0KddpgJSeoatPVtjhw20bBY1EXi9lJmdDGQWGS 7fk3kX1GfdI5uET6xNDMURMPdlhgD50QjFvt67UmE+hjdW58L4= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] The &RFC.number; entity X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:52:15 -0000 On 2017-12-10 03:46, Martin J. Dürst wrote: > On 2017/12/10 08:14, Julian Reschke wrote: >> On 2017-12-09 20:32, Jim Schaad wrote: >>> This entity has disappeared in the V3 vocabulary.  I would like to >>> have the RFC Editor tell us if this is a used item that needs to be >>> added back to the vocabulary in some way.  (Hopefully not as an entity.) >>> >>> Jim >> >> By definition an entity definition can not be part of the vocabulary. >> >> But you can always define it yourself, although I don't see how that's >> better than just putting in the RFC number verbatim. > > Not if you don't know it yet. Which is the case as long as it's a draft. > > The typical example for this is some registration template, where you > e.g. have something like: > > >>>> > Security Considerations: >    See Security Considerations Section of RFC &RFC.number;. > >>>> > > This is much easier than putting "RFC XXXX" there, and then have a "Note > to the RFC Editor" saying to please replace the XXXX in RFC XXXX with > the actual number. Simply write See Security Considerations of this document. ...and IANA will do the right thing when putting things into the registry. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Dec 12 12:22:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42232129540 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:22:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sh9xlVmrKJ7y for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21D25126B7E for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FFD1CA55D; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:21:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TqabSjjSRe2V; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.157] (173-10-80-197-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.80.197]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B13A91CA552; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:21:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Alice Russo In-Reply-To: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:22:01 -0800 Cc: RFC Editor , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <053101d37124$7b578150$720683f0$@augustcellars.com> To: Jim Schaad X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] The &RFC.number; entity X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:22:29 -0000 Hi Jim, We don't use that entity for inserting the RFC number. It's OK to not = have that functionality. Thanks, Alice On Dec 9, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Jim Schaad wrote: > This entity has disappeared in the V3 vocabulary. I would like to = have the RFC Editor tell us if this is a used item that needs to be = added back to the vocabulary in some way. (Hopefully not as an entity.) > =20 > Jim From nobody Tue Dec 26 23:41:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BCB124B17 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 23:41:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dSUQq3wpMHe3 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 23:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CE2F120727 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 23:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 23:39:49 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Nevil Brownlee' CC: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 23:41:09 -0800 Message-ID: <00e801d37ee6$11b1f710$3515e530$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdN+4jF+wLHfrHHuRzS5mLOGBQ6Fsg== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [xml2rfc-dev] Making the RNG and text grammar line up in SVG X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:41:19 -0000 Nevil, I am having a problem trying to get the RNG in appendix A aligned with the grammar as laid out in section 2.1. The RNG grammar appears to be a superset of that in section 2.1. The following item validates using the RNG in the appendix. However it does not validate if you pass it to the python script you have written. Which of the grammars should be considered to be authoritative? Jim