CURRENT_MEETING_REPORT_ Reported by Sue Hares/Merit Minutes of the Network OSI Operations Working Group (NOOP) Agenda o RFC 1139 and ISO Echo o Tools RFC o Transport MIB o IP v7 o TUBA - Ross Callon (DEC) o INTEROP Issues - Richard Collela (NIST) o Skinny Stack and X windows over OSI - Jim Quigley HP Notes: At the request of the Chair, these Minutes should be considered ``unapproved''. RFC 1139 No one thinks the short-term option in RFC 1139 is good. The long-term option is the only desired. This long-term ping function was taken into ISO in June of 1991, and is going on PDAM ballot. The IESG needs to do something with RFC 1139. Since the ISO work is coming a long, and a little different than the RFC, the RFC will be re-written to match the ISO text. A copy of this will be forwarded to the Working Group. Dave Piscitello, Sue Hares and Cathy Wittbrodt will re-write RFC 1139 to match the ISO text. Tools RFC The tools RFC will go through a final revision, and be published in August as an Internet Draft. Comments are really needed about the variables selected in the end of the text. A long discussion ensued here about whether a few variables are enough or the whole MIB. Mostly, the people thought a few variables would be enough. Also, a discussion occurred about SNMP over connectionless transport. Why don't you just use SNMP over IP to manage your node. The problem some people face is that IP paths and CLNP paths do not go the same way. Transport MIB A discussion was held to see if this work was useful in the NOOP Working Group. The Group generally agreed that they would be interested in reviewing the MIB. The following general things were suggested as things 1 to monitor: checksum errors, protocol errors, counts on octets sent. Dave Piscitello will do TCP MIB/Transport MIB comparison. Transport MIB will be sent to mailing group. TUBA Presentation Ross Callon (DEC) gave a presentation of his TUBA/TUCAN document. Please refer to that document for the full details. INTEROP Spring '92 Richard Collela (NIST) and Doug Montgomery (NIST) spent a day at hot-stage on IS-IS, and found a couple of bugs. Due to other problems, the operational show network used static routing and cisco IGRP-OSI routing. The OSI connectivity to the rest of the world was stable. Also, one evening, IS-IS was brought up on all the show floor as a trial and went reasonably smoothly. The demos were: NIST routing Lab and Infrastructure. The NIST routing Lab had 7 vendor implementations if IS-IS with a network monitor showing the topology. The equipment was configured in 4 L1 areas and connected to the show network. The Infrastructure demonstration had 8 sites in US, and 8 sites in Europe. The network monitor station showing End system connectivity and status. The tools used on the Infrastructure network monitor were: clnp ping, clnp trace, and FTAM to remote sites. The October '92 INTEROP has no spot for an InfraStructure demonstration. IS-IS may be operational on the show network The Spring '93 INTEROP will have an OSI Technology Showcase. Skinny Stack and OSI Presentation Jim Quigley (HP) gave an excellent presentation of what the OSI applications need as upper layers. In fact most applications only need a basic communications. Three types of this basic communication has been defined by the OSI Implementor's workshop (NIST OIW) by the upper layer Special Interest Group (ULSIG): Migrant (non-OSI such as TCP), X windows, and kernel (OSI applications). Prototypes of X windows over skinny stack over TP-4 have been produced and demonstrated by ULCC and Dr. Peter Furniss. This code will be released into the public domain. Watch for x-windows over OSI code announcement. Attendees Ed Albrigo ealbrigo@cos.com William Barns barns@gateway.mitre.org 2 Ross Callon callon@bigfut.enet.dec.com Alan Clegg abc@concert.net Marc Cochran mjc@vnet.ibm.com Richard Colella colella@osi.ncsl.nist.gov John Curran jcurran@bbn.com Richard desJardins desjardi@boa.gsfc.nasa.gov Tom Easterday tom@cic.net Dino Farinacci dino@cisco.com Stefan Fassbender stf@easi.net Osten Franberg euaokf@eua.ericsson.se Joan Goldstein j_goldstein@tnpubs.enet.dec.com Susan Hares skh@merit.edu Paulina Knibbe knibbe@cisco.com Mark Knopper mak@merit.edu Walter Lazear lazear@gateway.mitre.org Bill Manning bmanning@rice.edu J. Scott Marcus smarcus@bbn.com Dennis Morris morrisd@imo-uvax.disa.mil Brad Passwaters bjp@sura.net David Piscitello dave@sabre.bellcore.com Lars Poulsen lars@cmc.com James Quigley Jim_Quigley%YD@hp6600.desk.hp.com David Reiser dsr@codex.prds.cdx.mot.com April Richstein abm@tycho.ncsc.mil Erik Sherk sherk@sura.net William Warner warner@ohio.gov Luanne Waul luanne@wwtc.timeplex.com Linda Winkler lwinkler@anl.gov Steven Winnett swinnett@bbn.com Cathy Wittbrodt cjw@nersc.gov 3