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[00:18:42] <mcharlesr> hi. I'm the jabber scribe.
[00:18:45] <mcharlesr> slide 6
[00:18:49] <inesrob> ok, thanks
[00:18:51] <mcharlesr> no meetecho.
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[00:20:25] <mcharlesr> http://ietf88streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf885.m3u
[00:21:52] <mcharlesr> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/88/materials.html#wg-6lo
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[00:23:30] <mcharlesr> sorry, I screed myself by mistake.
[00:23:47] <mcharlesr> we are going to brandt-tman-lowpanz-02.
[00:24:09] <inesrob> ok
[00:24:11] <mcharlesr> slide 2
[00:24:53] <mcharlesr> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-6lo-0.pdf
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[00:31:43] <Brian Haberman> draft-ietf-6man-6lobac-01 is the current incantation of Kerry's draft.
[00:31:58] <mcharlesr> oops. I've been writing in the wrong place.
[00:32:11] <mcharlesr> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-6lo-1.pdf
[00:32:14] <mcharlesr> slide 2
[00:32:19] <mcharlesr> can you hear Kerry?
[00:32:54] <mcharlesr> slide 3
[00:33:01] <mcharlesr> slide 4
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[00:35:55] <mcharlesr> at mic: me, and now Samita.
[00:37:39] <mcharlesr> mic: Pascal
[00:39:00] <Ulrich Herberg> that was Carsten Bormann at the mike
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[00:39:47] <mcharlesr> slide 5
[00:39:56] <mcharlesr> slide 6
[00:41:00] <mcharlesr> slide 7.
[00:41:56] <mcharlesr> slide 8
[00:42:00] <mcharlesr> slide 9
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[00:42:08] <pdemil> mic..?
[00:42:19] <mcharlesr> talk lounder?
[00:42:24] <pdemil> yes please
[00:42:29] <mcharlesr> or did you want to speak?
[00:42:43] <mcharlesr> slide 11
[00:43:24] <mcharlesr> slide 12:
[00:43:34] <mcharlesr> at mic, John stewart, slide 9.
[00:45:18] <mcharlesr> slide 12
[00:45:41] <mcharlesr> slide 13
[00:45:57] <mcharlesr> slide 14: Unicast Address Mapping.
[00:46:08] <mcharlesr> slide 15
[00:46:27] <mcharlesr> slide 16
[00:47:23] <mcharlesr> mic: Jon Stewart.
[00:49:26] <mcharlesr> mic: Ralph Droms.
[00:49:34] <mcharlesr> was Brian Haberman before.
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[00:50:39] <mcharlesr> Ulrich, I have to make a phone call. BRB.
[00:50:50] <Ulrich Herberg> will take over
[00:51:36] <mcharlesr> back.
[00:53:13] <mcharlesr> speaker was Geoff Mulligan.
[00:53:18] <mcharlesr> Now Samita.
[00:55:33] <mcharlesr> that was Zach.
[00:55:45] <mcharlesr> question about who has read draft.... a dozen.
[00:55:59] <mcharlesr> question about adopting....
[00:56:16] <mcharlesr> no objections.
[00:56:20] <mcharlesr> taken to list.
[00:56:31] <mcharlesr> Zach is next: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-6lo-6.pdf
[00:57:51] <mcharlesr> mic is being fixed.
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[00:58:25] <mcharlesr> slide 1. RTX is one of those chip companies.
[00:59:22] <mcharlesr> slide 2
[01:00:23] <mcharlesr> slide 3
[01:03:55] <mcharlesr> mic: Brian Haberman.
[01:05:11] <mcharlesr> draft-mariager-6lowpan-v6over-dect-ule is the document.
[01:05:46] <mcharlesr> that was Pascal at mic.
[01:06:02] <mcharlesr> Ralph Droms at mic.
[01:07:15] <mcharlesr> Don Sturek at mic.
[01:07:22] <mcharlesr> (previous "John Stewart" was really him)
[01:08:40] <mcharlesr> Pascal at mic...
[01:09:49] <mcharlesr> Douglas Chan at mic.
[01:11:52] <mcharlesr> missed this person's name.
[01:13:06] <mcharlesr> was Pascal.
[01:14:08] <mcharlesr> next is: draft-bormann-6lo-ghc: Carsten Bormann http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-6lo-3.pdf
[01:14:36] <mcharlesr> slide 2
[01:16:14] <mcharlesr> slide 3: RFC 6282: 6LoWPAN Header Compression
[01:18:01] <mcharlesr> slide 4: Lots of other headers would like compression
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[01:19:41] <mcharlesr> Kerry Lynn at mic.
[01:20:54] <mcharlesr> slide 5: What can be compressed?
[01:21:58] <mcharlesr> slide 6
[01:24:27] <mcharlesr> slide 7
[01:25:05] <mcharlesr> slide 8
[01:29:26] <mcharlesr> slide 9.
[01:29:28] <mcharlesr> was me at mic.
[01:30:37] <mcharlesr> slide 10: What’s in the spec
[01:33:17] <mcharlesr> Don Sturek at mic.
[01:33:48] <mcharlesr> Eric Vynk at mic.
[01:33:56] <mcharlesr> Vynke.
[01:34:03] <mcharlesr> er. Vyncke.
[01:35:21] <mcharlesr> slide 11: Status
[01:35:34] <mcharlesr> slide 12: shipit.
[01:36:44] <pdemil> nice
[01:37:04] <mcharlesr> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-6lo-4.pdf
[01:37:14] <mcharlesr> Jürgen Schönwälder speaking.
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[01:38:45] <mcharlesr> slide 2: Purpose / Background
[01:39:05] <mcharlesr> draft-schoenw-6lo-lowpan-mib is the draft
[01:39:30] <mcharlesr> slide 3: IPv6 layer
[01:41:02] <mcharlesr> slide 4: Implementation
[01:46:39] <mcharlesr> Pascal at mic.
[01:46:53] <mcharlesr> Sorry, I drifted off.
[01:46:59] <Ulrich Herberg> before it was me at the mic; forgot to say my name…
[01:48:30] <pdemil> cross-layer WG needed :-)
[01:48:59] <mcharlesr> at mic: Zach.
[01:49:03] <mcharlesr> now Carsten at mic.
[01:49:23] <mcharlesr> slide 5: Discussion
[01:54:58] <mcharlesr> Carsten at mic.
[01:55:03] <mcharlesr> was Ralph Droms before.
[01:55:56] <pdemil> 6lowpan certification...
[01:56:05] <pdemil> IPSO?
[01:56:16] <mcharlesr> I'm 6lowpan certifiable.
[01:56:22] <mcharlesr> Matt Gillmore at mic.
[01:56:59] <Brian Haberman> @mcr: Where's your sticker?
[01:57:00] <mcharlesr> Samita at mic.
[01:57:29] <mcharlesr> Brian. Meet me upstairs if you want to see it :-)
[01:58:52] <mcharlesr> (I'm not certified. I'm certifiable)
[01:59:13] <mcharlesr> next up is: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-6lo-2.pdf
[01:59:14] <pdemil> is 6Lowpan  in contiki or tinyos "compliant"?
[01:59:17] <mcharlesr> Pascal.
[01:59:24] <mcharlesr> But, he seems to be talking about something out.
[01:59:57] <mcharlesr> pdemil, Carsten suggests that current contiki is not 6lowpan happy, because it doesn't do *ND when you have RPL turned on.
[02:01:00] <cabo> mcharlesr: I actually have two students sitting in Bremen documenting the Contiki trainwreck :-)
[02:01:06] <cabo> But it will be in German.
[02:01:40] <mcharlesr> I understand that German has invented a number of new terms to talk about train wrecks after a number of recent ICE disasters.
[02:01:55] <cabo> Maintainers of research operating systems (if they are maintained) often have little interest in standards-based interoperability.
[02:02:14] <pdemil> :-)
[02:02:41] <mcharlesr> there is a fair bit of commercial use of contiki, and thanks to github, getting patches in, isn't that hard anymore.
[02:02:49] <pdemil> contiki seems to be used in commercial products
[02:03:07] <cabo> Yes, but are the interop fixes making it back?
[02:03:10] <cabo> I don't think so.
[02:03:17] <pdemil> and maybe tinyos used to be used in commercial products..
[02:03:34] <cabo> Worse, it doesn't seem the maintainers are pushing for interop.
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[02:03:46] <cabo> That may be changing, though.
[02:03:53] <mcharlesr> redwirellc seems to be pushing patches, but since all their nodes speak RPL, they likely haven't run into that problem. I know that I mentioned it to Mariano when you mentioned it.
[02:04:23] <mcharlesr> Pascal has started talking about this document, slide 2.
[02:07:07] <mcharlesr> slide 3: Need for fragment recovery
[02:07:14] <pdemil> bit louder please...
[02:07:38] <pdemil> thx
[02:07:40] <mcharlesr> slide 4: Other problems related to frags
[02:07:55] <pdemil> 3AM here...
[02:08:13] <mcharlesr> slide 5: Fragment Recovery proposal
[02:08:16] <Thomas Watteyne> :)
[02:08:22] <mcharlesr> pdemil, central europe, huh?
[02:08:32] <pdemil> yes, brussels
[02:08:55] <pdemil> will be better next ietf
[02:10:09] <mcharlesr> pdemil, you can just pop over every morning on Eurostar, and go home at night :-)
[02:10:49] <pdemil> a bit expensive, I guess
[02:11:36] <mcharlesr> slide 6: Fragment Forwarding proposal
[02:12:04] <pdemil> Thomas, we could do an informal 6tisch interop
[02:12:09] <mcharlesr> floor discussion about discovery / and some other stuff that might be used.
[02:12:16] <mcharlesr> is that for the mic?
[02:12:21] <pdemil> nono
[02:13:03] <Thomas Watteyne> Absolutely.
[02:13:08] <Thomas Watteyne> London?
[02:13:14] <pdemil> jup
[02:13:40] <mcharlesr> slide 7: Recoverable Fragment Dispatch type and Header
[02:13:40] <Thomas Watteyne> sounds good. Do you wan to propose this on 6tisch ML?
[02:13:51] <mcharlesr> slide 9: (unnumbered)
[02:13:58] <mcharlesr> title: ECN use
[02:14:06] <pdemil> ok, will do
[02:14:11] <Thomas Watteyne> thx
[02:14:17] <Ulrich Herberg> I have added slide numbers to a few slides, not sure if this was amongst them...
[02:14:25] <pdemil> wondered why 15ms was used in draft... was for telosb motes.
[02:14:46] <Thomas Watteyne> yes, slower 4MHz TelosB, slow SPI
[02:14:49] <mcharlesr> slide 10: Explicit Congestion Notification
[02:15:21] <pdemil> clock it to 6MHz ;-)
[02:15:45] <Thomas Watteyne> it's been a while, I need to go back to it
[02:15:51] <mcharlesr> questions.
[02:15:56] <mcharlesr> Carsten at mic.
[02:15:59] <pdemil> don't :-)
[02:18:01] <mcharlesr> Don Sturek at mic.
[02:18:03] <Thomas Watteyne> @pdemil: let's continue on e-mail
[02:18:35] <pdemil> k
[02:18:51] <mcharlesr> Ralph Droms at mic.
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[02:28:11] <mcharlesr> Milestones discussion: chairs item is next.
[02:28:38] <mcharlesr> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-6lo-5.pdf
[02:28:40] <mcharlesr> slide 8
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[02:31:21] <inesrob> Thank u very much for all the information during the meeting
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