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[13:03:32] <hartmans> Rhys is demoing the moonshot UI
[13:04:34] <Dave Mitton> But has the meeting started?
[13:04:45] <hartmans> It is just starting
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[13:06:38] <jimsch1> Please prefix items to be given to the mic with MIC:
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[13:07:52] <Josh Howlett> which physical room is the meeting in?
[13:08:00] <jimsch1> 204B
[13:08:02] <alejandro.perez.mendez> 204B
[13:08:03] <Josh Howlett> thx
[13:08:20] <jimsch1> sam is presenting core now
[13:08:32] <Josh Howlett> http://ietf81streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf802.m3u
[13:10:37] <Dave Mitton> Is he presenting from slides or just talking?
[13:10:46] <jimsch1> he has a slide dec - core-spec.pdf
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[13:11:32] <jimsch1> slides should be on the meeting materials page
[13:11:52] <Dave Mitton> Thanks, there seem to be more now that weren't there last night....
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[13:12:22] <Alan DeKok> everyone remote can hear the audio?
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[13:13:11] <Dave Mitton> Loud and clear in Boston
[13:13:17] <Alan DeKok> ok
[13:13:27] <Alan DeKok> I can channel anyone remote if needed
[13:13:32] <Dave Mitton> .... better than the mumbling on DIME
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[13:14:43] <pod> sorry, where is audio stream?
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[13:15:33] <Dave Mitton> look at the log, Josh posted the link at 9:08
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[13:42:30] <hbhotz> If OIDs do not belong in an RFC, then should they come from an IETF-assigned arc in the first place?
[13:43:24] <hartmans> They are not from an ietf arc now and no one is proposing they come from one
[13:43:39] <hbhotz> k
[13:58:11] <leifj> is the audio ok?
[13:58:25] <hbhotz> For me, yes.
[13:58:30] <Josh Howlett> yup, perhaps a little faint
[13:58:38] <Dave Mitton> the volume went down, it's okay, but not what it was
[13:58:58] <leifj> shout if it gets worse
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[14:08:31] <hbhotz> Q from floor very faint.
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[14:12:35] <Alan DeKok> people mumbling in the background
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[14:18:45] <hbhotz> Does Step 3 mean channel binding?
[14:19:36] <Josh Howlett> I think it just means the application obtains something that authorises the user
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[14:20:53] <SFTCD> I'm wondering why this 1-content-page draft wasn
[14:21:17] <SFTCD> wasn't just an email to the list
[14:22:11] <Josh Howlett> Agree with Hannes
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[14:23:45] <hbhotz> Sounds like a very interesting possible application to me. Hope something related moves forward.
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[14:44:41] <hbhotz> Could you request an especially trusted trust path? E.g. a path which is certified for NIST 800-63 level of assurance 3?
[14:44:50] <Josh Howlett> yes
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[14:45:37] <Josh Howlett> the idea is that a trust path can be selected on the basis of the policies associated with each link
[14:45:54] <hbhotz> Does NIST agree with that answer? ;-)
[14:46:01] <Josh Howlett> :-)
[14:47:35] <Josh Howlett> you ask your local trust router to calculate the path on the basis of the target and the policies that you need
[14:48:45] <leifj> so policies are part of the query protocol?
[14:49:12] <Josh Howlett> yes
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[14:49:37] <hbhotz> To the mic: like the idea.
[14:51:03] <hbhotz> Should we standardize the 800-63 LoA representation? It would be a US-only thing, which I have objected to for the IETF in the past.
[14:51:42] <leifj> hbhotz: there is a proposed IANA registry for LoA definitions in the pipe
[14:51:46] <leifj> not in abfab
[14:51:52] <hbhotz> Thx.
[14:51:54] <leifj> a private I-D by me
[14:52:00] <Josh Howlett> I am hoping we can at least standardise a mapping
[14:52:03] <leifj> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-johansson-loa-registry
[14:52:25] <Josh Howlett> between existing policy spheres and the trust router representation
[14:52:43] <hbhotz> Probably resolves my concerns.
[14:53:03] <leifj> saml space wants URIs and the OpenIDC community wants short identifiers so the registry has both
[14:53:43] <Josh Howlett> why do they care about the length of an identifier?
[14:53:45] <pod> How easily can a intermediate Trust Router misbehave by advertising a route but then refusing to introduce an RP to a next hop?
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[14:54:16] <Alan DeKok> possibly, yes.
[14:54:19] <leifj> they are size-constrained for their signed json tokens
[14:54:23] <Alan DeKok> I can ask at the mike
[14:54:27] <Josh Howlett> a trust router can trivially do that
[14:54:34] <leifj> sometimes it needs to fit into 1k URLs
[14:54:48] <Josh Howlett> yes, you should definitely ask at the mic please!
[14:54:56] <Josh Howlett> it's an important point
[14:55:14] <rlbob> btw, 800-63 is just a model, actual production LoAs are defined by operational orgs such as Kantara and InCommon
[14:55:32] <leifj> rlbob: right and it would be those that would be registered
[14:55:52] <Josh Howlett> that what i would assume
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[15:02:38] <hbhotz> no remote viewing of demo possible?
[15:02:43] <Dave Mitton> "See" you on the net. :B
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[15:03:25] <leifj> hbhotz: don't think so
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