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[13:47:19] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> We can't relay the dance that was just performed on the floor, sorry. I hope Meetecho captured it
[13:47:20] <Robin Wilton> Thank you, wavers… Robin here. Anything you would like relayed to the mic, please preface with "mic:"
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[13:47:39] <eburger> Can you ask the Meetecho folks to point the camera at Richard, not the Chairs?
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[13:48:48] <eburger> Thanks Ted!
[13:48:56] <Meetecho> please don't touch the cam manually
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[13:48:59] <Meetecho> we control it remotely
[13:49:10] <Meetecho> just mention us and we correct the aim
[13:49:12] <Robin Wilton> @meetecho OK - thanks
[13:49:16] <JoeHallCDT> uh oh, Ted just manually changed the aim
[13:49:24] <JoeHallCDT> please refine, and we'll not touch it again
[13:49:28] <JoeHallCDT> apologies
[13:49:32] <Meetecho> no problem ;)
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[13:50:13] <Robin Wilton> (Richard Barnes at the mic, by the way)
[13:50:38] <ted.h> Thanks, meetecho-folks; sorry for the confusion
[13:50:45] <Meetecho> ted.h: no worries!
[13:50:52] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: "Changes in -03  -  Security Improvements"
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[13:52:02] <eburger> Didn’t mean to get Ted into trouble with Meetecho 😭
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[13:52:27] <Robin Wilton> @eburger we live and learn ;^)
[13:52:28] <Meetecho> eburger: ahaha nobody's in trouble, we're actually cool guys! :D
[13:52:36] <eburger> :-)
[13:53:15] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: URLs (replacing "resources")
[13:53:48] <Robin Wilton> Ted Hardie at the mic
[13:57:04] <eburger> How profound (to compare two strings you need two strings)
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[13:57:21] <eburger> [Robin - just silliness on my part, NOT to be channeled!]
[13:57:48] <Robin Wilton> @eburger The strings you cannot compare are not strings. This is the way of string.
[13:57:55] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> We have forked the mic line - two queues
[13:58:06] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> Jeff Hodges waiting at the back
[13:58:18] <Robin Wilton> Thx Olle
[13:58:20] <eburger> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X07TLA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2ED5RKW8TN4OF
[13:59:00] <Robin Wilton> Martin Thomson at the mic
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[13:59:33] <JeffH> test
[13:59:42] <Robin Wilton> @jeffh ack
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[13:59:54] <JeffH> thx
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[14:00:24] <Robin Wilton> Ted Hardie at the mic
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[14:01:25] <Robin Wilton> (Martin Thomson responding)
[14:01:56] <AGWA> Meetecho: I'm getting "Presentation area already in use" when I try to view the video at https://tiergarten.conf.meetecho.com/q-meetecho/Index.jsp
[14:02:11] <Robin Wilton> Richard Barnes/Martin Thomson exchange
[14:02:39] <Meetecho> AGWA: you're actually not supposed to click anything, slides should appear automatically
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[14:03:06] <AGWA> Meetecho: I didn't click anything after clicking "Enter" on the Electronic Blue Sheet
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[14:03:27] <Meetecho> are you getting the speaker video, but not the slides?
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[14:03:45] <AGWA> I'm getting nothing - just a blue Meetecho splash screen
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[14:03:49] <JoeHallCDT> @AGWA: you can always go here: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-acme-1.pdf
[14:03:55] <JoeHallCDT> although not the tool
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[14:04:07] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: "Applications: Goals"
[14:04:48] <Meetecho> AGWA: I guess the setup of the room failed for you, can you try joining again? restarting the browser also helps sometimes, when WebRTC doesn't work for some reason
[14:05:06] <Meetecho> I just tried joining and it seems to be working for me
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[14:05:31] <AGWA> Meetecho: I've tried that a few times.  I think I'll have to settle for audio feed + Jabber
[14:05:40] <Meetecho> if WebRTC doesn't work for you, the webinar mode should: http://conf.meetecho.com/video?s=tiergarten&r=acme&c=8896045 (audio+slides via flash)
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[14:06:47] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: "Applications: Approach"
[14:07:50] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: "Applications: Before" graphic
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[14:09:26] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: "Applications: After"
[14:09:42] <Robin Wilton> EKR at the mic
[14:10:09] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> (And he did not state his name. Again)
[14:10:32] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> We apologize for the baud rate, dear remote participants
[14:10:52] <eburger> need a compander
[14:11:17] <eburger> Actually, the overall bit rate is average. Lots of redundancy in the speech.
[14:11:22] <Robin Wilton> Martin Thomson responding
[14:11:29] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> Martin Thompson speaking
[14:11:29] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> :-)
[14:12:17] <Robin Wilton> 3 mics currrently in use.. EKR, Barnes, Thomson ;^)
[14:12:24] <Robin Wilton> In parallel.
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[14:14:04] <eburger> Just got dumped out of Meetecho. Will whine if it is not just me.
[14:14:16] <Meetecho> :)
[14:14:17] <eburger> I’m back. Not whining.
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[14:15:10] <eburger> ekr must have overrun my buffer
[14:15:33] <Robin Wilton> @eburger you need something that can parse n-times oversampling...
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[14:16:49] <eburger> Got kicked out again. Will try again.
[14:16:51] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: "Applications"
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[14:17:44] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: Open Issue #128
[14:18:41] <Robin Wilton> P Hallam Baker at the mic (PHB)
[14:19:26] <Robin Wilton> Martin Thomson at the mic
[14:20:11] <Robin Wilton> PHB again
[14:20:34] <Stefan Santesson> Agree with Phil on in-band comment. Feels safer.
[14:20:39] <Robin Wilton> Martin T. again briefly
[14:20:46] <JoeHallCDT> mic Stefan?
[14:20:59] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> If you want the scribe to relay, please prefix your statement with "mic:"
[14:21:10] <Stefan Santesson> Not needed really
[14:21:17] <Robin Wilton> @stefan OK - thx
[14:22:32] <Robin Wilton> DKG at the mic
[14:22:52] <Meetecho> Eric Burger: from the monitor I see you're loosing a lot of packets (many NACKs)
[14:23:02] <Meetecho> you can try closing the speaker video feed to see if that improves
[14:23:04] <eburger> grrr
[14:23:08] <Meetecho> that would only leave you with audio and slides
[14:23:15] <Robin Wilton> Martin T again (briefly)
[14:23:18] <eburger> Will try. Nothing to see right now. Moving right along.
[14:23:24] <Meetecho> (y)
[14:23:34] <Meetecho> you can close the feed hovering over it and clicking the X icon
[14:23:44] <Meetecho> you'll still be able to reopen it after that
[14:23:53] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: Issue #157
[14:24:01] <Robin Wilton> (Fetch Registration Resource)
[14:24:49] <Robin Wilton> Martin T at the mic
[14:26:09] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: Issue #152 - "Reduce the # of OOB Things"
[14:27:53] <Robin Wilton> Is that a first mention, there, of “Phase of the moon-based domain validation”?
[14:28:08] <eburger> I smell an April 1 RFC…
[14:28:08] <Robin Wilton> Martin Thomson at the mic
[14:28:27] <Robin Wilton> @eburger noted and filed… ;^)
[14:28:41] <eburger> But I have some IPR on that ;-)
[14:28:46] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: ISsue #156
[14:29:09] <Robin Wilton> @eburger see you in court… ;^p
[14:30:07] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> @eburger: I have prior art on phase-of-the-sun validation based on Stonehenge
[14:30:15] <Robin Wilton> EKR at the mic
[14:30:36] <ted.h> Wouldn't you reverse this, where the sig_old is the last signer?
[14:30:42] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> @meetecho: We need an EKR feature: Replay last speaker slowly - at half rate
[14:30:51] <Meetecho> :)
[14:31:56] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> @meetecho you may also add stuff with Wire-inspiration. "Replay last speaker in Donald Duck voice"
[14:32:01] <JoeHallCDT> RLB: should read: sig_new(M,sig_old(M))
[14:32:23] <Robin Wilton> Proposed version should read as follows: sig_new(M,sig_old(M))
[14:32:30] <Robin Wilton> Ted Hardie at the mic
[14:32:35] <Meetecho> I don't know: we may have overstepped the sillyness threshold already with the pacman ghosts in the virtual queue!
[14:32:38] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> Assuming Ted Hardie with no chair hat on
[14:33:04] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> @meetecho: Yeah, you need to catch a few pokemon's to get a new sillyness point store
[14:33:19] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> catch them in the pink squares in the conference rooms
[14:33:35] <Robin Wilton> recap: M=[oldKey,newKey]
[14:33:37] <Robin Wilton> PHB at hte mic
[14:33:40] <Robin Wilton> *the
[14:33:41] <Meetecho> :D
[14:34:05] <ted.h> @olle, yes.  
[14:34:14] <ted.h> Whenever I go to the floor mic, I have not hat on.
[14:34:23] <ted.h> But I should have said that, so that it was audible
[14:34:40] <Robin Wilton> (sorry, I should have been explicit - Ted's last intervention was from the floor mic)
[14:35:11] <Robin Wilton> Russ H from the floor: "what does M comma mean?"
[14:35:17] <Robin Wilton> Brian Campbell at the mic now
[14:36:37] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: Issue #156 - Economize on nonces
[14:38:23] <Martin Thomson> not the for the mic: but it should be possible to NOT use nonces
[14:38:33] <Robin Wilton> (Rich Salz from chair mic)
[14:38:41] <Robin Wilton> Martin Thomson at floor mic
[14:39:08] <JoeHallCDT> this is nonce-sense
[14:39:45] <Robin Wilton> Recycling nonces is far more ecologically sustainable…  o_O
[14:40:17] <Robin Wilton> EKR heading for the mic........
[14:40:23] <Robin Wilton> …. and he's there.
[14:41:14] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: "A few un-filed things noted in the spec"
[14:41:35] <Martin Thomson> The only nonces you have to remember are the ones that were *used*, it's much less onerous than what has been suggested.
[14:42:25] <Robin Wilton> @Martin how can you tell which messages you will have needed replay protection for?  ;^,
[14:42:33] <AGWA> mic: (Andrew Ayer) The reason why SSLMate needs the extra step is because our API doesn't have challenges.  ACME does, so it's redundant.
[14:42:46] <JoeHallCDT> AGWA is Andrew Ayer, correct? from SSLMate? joining remotely
[14:42:47] <Robin Wilton> Ted Hardie from the floor mic
[14:42:55] <AGWA> JoeHallCDT: correct
[14:42:56] <Martin Thomson> @Robin: All of them have nonces in the request
[14:43:00] <JoeHallCDT> ty sir
[14:43:47] <Robin Wilton> @AGWA in the     mic line…
[14:44:29] <Martin Thomson> @Robin: you don't actually need the server to generate the nonce, the client could generate a nonce with a RNG
[14:45:00] <Robin Wilton> @Martin thx
[14:46:53] <Robin Wilton> EKR at the mic (Eric Rescorla)
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[14:49:12] <Robin Wilton> Martin Thomson at the mic
[14:49:37] <Robin Wilton> Russ Housley at the mic
[14:50:27] <Robin Wilton> Ted Hardie from chair mic
[14:52:28] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: IETF Process Reminder
[14:52:36] <Robin Wilton> (not to scale, we are told ;^)  )
[14:53:29] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: WGLC Blockers
[14:55:14] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: Rough Timeline
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[14:56:12] <Robin Wilton> Russ pinned firmly to the critical path, by the sound of it….  ;^o
[14:56:37] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: Wile E Coyote's Rocket Skates
[14:57:57] <Robin Wilton> Left slide of Slide is Red
[14:58:02] <Eric Burger> what green side ;-)
[14:58:04] <Robin Wilton> (Port and Starboard, in other words)
[14:58:33] <Robin Wilton> Current slide: Close down or re-charter once ACME v1 is done?
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[14:59:54] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> "when has discouragement ever worked"
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[15:00:09] <eburger> For line: Are there enough drafts (or ideas of drafts) that they need more than AD-sponsored?
[15:00:12] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> DNS SRV based validation for SIP :-)
[15:00:31] <eburger> Sounds like work for work’s sake
[15:01:00] <Robin Wilton> Richard Barnes at the mic
[15:01:41] <JoeHallCDT> those are mics eburger?
[15:02:20] <Robin Wilton> Martin Thomson at mic
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[15:03:04] <Robin Wilton> @eburger I'm in the mic line behind PHB
[15:03:15] <Robin Wilton> PHB at mic
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[15:05:38] <Robin Wilton> KM replying
[15:05:51] <Eric Burger> thanks
[15:05:55] <Robin Wilton> KM = Kathleen Moriarty btw
[15:06:08] <Olle E. Johansson at IETF Berlin (GMT+1 DST)> KM as AD - area director
[15:06:10] <Eric Burger> My speaker verification algorithms worked!
[15:06:13] <Robin Wilton> Matt Miller at mic
[15:06:14] <Eric Burger> (see speechsc)
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[15:06:39] <Robin Wilton> @olle KM=AD  ;^)
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[15:07:19] <eburger> Thanks Robin!
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[15:07:32] <Robin Wilton> you're welcome!
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