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[10:54:12] <Tobia Castaldi> I can
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[11:03:11] <mcr> apparently, two meetecho screens share a common audio channel, so I can not mute them one at a time.  So I will return to ANIMA at :30
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[11:04:43] <Tobia Castaldi> mcr: what do you mean with "two meetecho screens"?
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[11:05:00] <mcr> Yes, I can use the mute at the bottom!
[11:05:09] <Tobia Castaldi> yep
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[11:16:56] <Éric Vyncke> Honestly, the ACP document is in much better shape now. Thank you Toerless and others (+ reviewers of course). Hard work but improved document. + co-chairs of course for IANA early allocation.
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[11:20:41] <Eliot Lear> Nice phrase, Toerless: "come up to the mic" ;-)
[11:21:21] <Éric Vyncke> As long as speakers stay on the pink square ;-)
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[11:40:10] <Russ Housley> There are way too many, but there does not seem to be a way to pick a single one at this point.
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[11:44:29] <Eliot Lear> +1 to Steffen.  Let's keep the discovery but not rename the brski endpoints
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[11:44:34] <mcr> I am not in favour of a document to update BRSKI.  If this change is worthwhile, then we should put it in NOW. Like this afternoon.  Eliot's point about existing software is certainly true.  It affects client (pledge) software more, because servers can easily answer both.
[11:44:59] <Eliot Lear> +1 to mcr as well
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[11:47:08] <mcr> I am unclear if the discovery would apply to BRSKI pledges. If we want to do that, then putting this as an update may be reasonable.
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[12:02:54] <Eliot Lear> There is value in making it configurable later.
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[12:03:14] <Eliot Lear> One of the challenges is this: how do you do ownership transfers?  Does the manufacturer need to be involved in that?
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[12:04:55] <mcr> delegated voucher?
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[12:07:53] <Eliot Lear> yeah maybe
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[12:13:41] <Steffen Fries> Reading Michaels response, will you try to do the endpoint renaming now or is it better I craft the one-page document?
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[12:16:01] <Wei Pan> delegated voucher is for the ownership transfer from the MASA to DASA.  one way may be that the CA which signs the cert for the original Registrar also signs another cert for the second Registrar, so the trust anchor suits for these Registrars.
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[12:17:16] <Eliot Lear> the thing is that you might not know the 2nd registrar at the time.
[12:17:31] <Eliot Lear> so is there a way for the registrar to sign things over in some bearer way
[12:17:33] <Steffen Fries> I was rather refering to the discussion regarding renaming the endpoint from /est to /brski/ for the coucher handling. I realized Michael is not happy with an update
[12:18:08] <Eliot Lear> Let's be clear on what we are proposing
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[12:18:39] <Eliot Lear> I think what we are proposing to create aliases for the existing est endpoints and then new brski endpoints can also land in /brski
[12:18:49] <Eliot Lear> that way you don't actually need to update the brski document...
[12:19:19] <Steffen Fries> Which would mean the registrar has to support both then or?
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[12:25:29] <mcr> +10 to OPSIOT.
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