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[11:48:09] <csp> AVT meeting IETF 67.
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[12:04:14] <csp> Are any of the people in the jabber room remote from the meeting room?
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[12:09:08] <richard.barnes> I'm not remote.
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[12:11:28] <magnus> Hi, I would appreciate if someone at least tell which subject you have come to.
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[12:12:43] <sbotzko> DCCP
[12:13:42] <magnus> Thanks, please indicate when you come to each new subject on the agenda.
[12:13:55] <sbotzko> ok
[12:19:51] <sbotzko> RTCP for SSM
[12:20:04] <magnus> ok
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[12:36:48] <magnus> Are you already running late?
[12:37:00] <csp> yes - starting svc now
[12:38:49] <csp> Magnus: we'll have a brief architecture presentation by Steve Casner after the RTP and layer 2 QoS talk
[12:39:51] <magnus> Okay. I think I will be comming over alrady in time for the Mux document.
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[12:50:17] <magnus> Okay, hadn't seen the updated agenda. Will be there for L2 Qos.
[13:03:13] <csp> schierl
[13:03:28] <sbotzko> 20 minutes behind,starting multi-description
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[13:04:49] <magnus> I am in AVT now. Thanks for the reporting.
[13:05:04] <bhoeneis> please continue.
[13:05:17] <bhoeneis> with the reporting
[13:05:31] <bhoeneis> I plan to join for SRTP stuff
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[13:14:52] <sbotzko> RTP Payload Format for DV RTP Payload Format for DVRTP Payload Format for DV RTP payload format for DV
[13:15:15] <sbotzko> sorry about the multiple pastes
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[13:19:59] <sbotzko> RTP & layer 2 QoS
[13:20:11] <sbotzko> it is now 9:50 in this timezone
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[13:23:06] <csp> we're slowly drifting out into the Pacific...
[13:23:09] <cullenfluffyjennings@gmail.com> The agenda has 30 minutes of jitter
[13:23:40] <ekr> I'll try to catch up, but you know what happens when people ask me to talk faster.
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[13:32:46] <csp> Finishing layer2 QoS now, moving on to RTP design principles and muxing
[13:33:19] <sbotzko> Some RTP Design Principles (Casner, not on published agenda)
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[13:41:25] <sbotzko> 10:05 Multiplexing RTP RTCP on a Single Port
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[13:47:20] <Alan H> /sbotzko are you monitoring?
[13:47:41] <sbotzko> I am monitoring, but only announcing agenda topics
[13:47:45] <Alan H> ok thanks
[13:48:03] <Alan H> using streaming audio, so . that works. thanks.
[13:48:08] <sbotzko> ok
[13:48:21] <sbotzko> let me know if there's something specific you need
[13:51:56] <Alan H> Was that Derek MacDonald at the mic prior to JDR?
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[13:52:20] <sbotzko> sorry, didn't catch the name
[13:52:53] <Alan H> Medium height, short hair, light skin, ietf66 shirt?
[13:52:56] <sbotzko> hadriel kaplan?
[13:53:13] <Alan H> no sorry - other guy - i heard hadriel
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[14:00:14] <Alan H> Using RTCP as a keepalive negates the benefit of being able to detect port rotation....
[14:00:39] <Alan H> (as you could with STUN)
[14:01:15] <Alan H> slow down ekr ....
[14:02:44] <Alan H> EKR/FLUFFY - port rotation detection would not be possible using RTCP instead of STUN.
[14:02:53] <Alan H> So there are still SOME cases where that is useful.
[14:03:03] <Alan H> (ICE that is)
[14:04:34] <Alan H> Fran├žois Audet?
[14:04:51] <sbotzko> yes
[14:05:01] <Alan H> thx
[14:06:24] <sbotzko> 10:20 ZRTP: RTP based DH Key Agreement for SRTP
[14:07:04] <csp> zrtp
[14:07:30] <ekr> There's a lot of controversy whether this is Zee-RTP or Zed-RTP.
[14:08:01] <sbotzko> Colin - did you get the comments from Alan H. on port rotation detection?
[14:08:34] <csp> kind-of... we have some notes here, but if you have others, I'd appreciate seeing them.
[14:08:46] <sbotzko> No notes, other than the jabber session
[14:08:55] <csp> ok - i have the jabber log
[14:11:19] <Alan H> thanks guys - heading down to meeting now
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[14:33:23] <cabo--tzi--org@jabber.org> Was there discussion (beyond what's on the slides) of RTP/RTCP vs. HC?
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