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[11:01:23] <Jonathan Lennox> I have been asked to be jabber scribe — is anyone remote?
[11:03:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We now have two chairs in the room :-)
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[11:08:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> review of wg milestones
[11:11:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> First presentation — Harald Alvestrand
[11:12:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> for himself and not representing anyone
[11:14:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> kpfleming is remote, Jonathan
[11:14:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #3
[11:14:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Morning Kevin :-)
[11:15:18] <kpfleming> Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1): morning! thanks for scribing. just got the audio feed working, sounds good.
[11:15:24] <kpfleming> well, sounds norwegian.
[11:15:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald is 100% norwegian
[11:15:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
[11:16:28] <Jonathan Lennox> kpfleming: you're remote?
[11:16:43] <kpfleming> Jonathan Lennox: yes, at home in alabama, unfortunately.
[11:16:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #4
[11:17:26] <Jonathan Lennox> Ok. Olle: if you want to do the slide scribe, I can do question relaying (except when I'm presenting obviously)
[11:17:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Censorship is one version of 'priorization' - Harald
[11:17:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ok, Jonathan
[11:18:01] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> I'll leave at break
[11:18:05] <Jonathan Lennox> Ok
[11:18:08] <Jonathan Lennox> I'm staying after break
[11:18:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #5
[11:21:02] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #6 - RFC 3550 arguments - head on
[11:22:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen on mike (?)
[11:22:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> confirmed
[11:23:06] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Who's on mike?
[11:23:10] <Jonathan Lennox> Colin Perkins
[11:23:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #7 − 3550 section 5.2 bullet 5
[11:24:56] <Jonathan Lennox> Dave Oran at the mic
[11:26:02] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "multiple media" or "multiple media types" ??
[11:26:13] <Jonathan Lennox> Roni Even speaking from the chair's seat
[11:26:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide # 8 - Corrective action
[11:26:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> who is the "user" on this slide?
[11:27:03] <Jonathan Lennox> Do you want that question asked?
[11:27:13] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> No - just a thought.
[11:28:27] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #9 just says "What next?"
[11:29:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Establishing four transports has a much higher failure rate than establishing one" - Harald
[11:29:52] <kpfleming> especially when ICE is used.
[11:30:01] <Jonathan Lennox> Colin Perkins at the mic
[11:30:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "We have a fair amount of history" - Colin Perkins. Right!
[11:33:12] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Colin still on mike
[11:33:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Back to slide #8 on Cullen's request on mike
[11:34:53] <Jonathan Lennox> Hadriel Kaplan on the mic
[11:35:52] <Jonathan Lennox> Cullen Jennings on the mic
[11:35:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The Title of the Draft is set.
[11:36:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> What about the rest?
[11:38:19] <kpfleming> who is at the mic?
[11:38:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen and Hadriel discussing with each other
[11:38:38] <kpfleming> thanks
[11:38:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen on the right of the room
[11:38:49] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> If you happen to have stereo :-)
[11:39:06] <kpfleming> the feed seems to be monaural :-)
[11:39:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Going to next presentation -------------------------------
[11:39:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> If Roni can convince us about it.
[11:39:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel still lurks by the right hand back of the room mike
[11:41:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Colin at left hand mike
[11:42:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> harald speaking again
[11:44:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel discussing
[11:44:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen talking again
[11:45:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni trying to move us to the next presenation. Decision coming up soon.
[11:45:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus seems to want to speak
[11:45:26] <Jonathan Lennox> Reordering presentation ordering
[11:45:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> —————— Multiplexing RTP sessions on a single transport — Colin Perkins/Magnus Westerlund
[11:46:22] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #xxx - Outline
[11:46:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> I see a slide # - it's 2 of 17
[11:47:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide #3
[11:47:20] <kpfleming> why are scandinavians so involved with RTP?
[11:47:59] <Jonathan Lennox> Nothing else to do all winter
[11:48:28] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We just handle the RTP packets and sessions as the snow keeps falling
[11:48:40] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Audiovisual problems here with red boxes on the screen
[11:49:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — Slide #5
[11:49:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Back to Slide #4 - cullen's request
[11:50:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Colin on mike
[11:51:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> From Colin to Cullen
[11:51:22] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — Slide #5
[11:53:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen on mike
[11:54:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus and Cullen trying to sort out what we're discussing
[11:55:59] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Colin on mike
[11:57:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald on mike
[11:57:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Richard <something> on mike
[11:59:12] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> —— Slide #6 Does consensus exist
[12:01:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen discussing agenda on mike
[12:02:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Queue on mike… We have a congestion problem
[12:02:05] <kpfleming> cullen as always, is the voice of reason
[12:02:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Colin on mike
[12:02:38] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel Kaplan on mike
[12:03:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni talking
[12:05:03] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel: "we just took the five tuples and made them six tuples"
[12:05:10] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> roni back on mike from chair desk
[12:05:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — We're still on slide #6 of 17 ---
[12:05:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel : "You're mixing oil and water"
[12:06:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox on mike
[12:06:43] <kpfleming> whoever is speaking is quite low volume
[12:07:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Not in here
[12:07:40] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Lost the third point. Anyone that can find it?
[12:07:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Paul on the mike
[12:08:47] Dan York joins the room
[12:10:17] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen on the mike
[12:11:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "How are we going to interoperate with the existing implementations?" - Cullen
[12:11:48] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni talking
[12:13:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> magnus back trying to take control
[12:13:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> 15 minutes on one slide
[12:13:59] <Dan York> What draft is being discussed?
[12:14:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Many
[12:14:46] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> trying to figure out the way forward - to focus on one draft or do all and see what happens
[12:14:49] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Or nothing
[12:15:02] <Dan York> Sorry... I meant which agenda item is being discussed?
[12:15:07] <kpfleming> architecture
[12:15:12] <Dan York> thanks
[12:18:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> …maybe he should look behind himself...
[12:18:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen talking
[12:19:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni talking
[12:20:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald talking on Hadriel's mike :-)
[12:22:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald tries to manage all his hats
[12:22:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan speaking
[12:23:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan votes for making SDP uglier
[12:23:46] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — Still on page 6 of Magnus' presentation
[12:23:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Now we jumped to page #10
[12:23:58] <Dan York> Is that possible? (making SDP uglier?)
[12:24:22] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "I need multiple character sets in the SDP subject line"
[12:24:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Yes, I think it is.
[12:25:47] <kpfleming> Dan York: have you seen an SDP with capability negotiation in it?
[12:26:56] <Dan York> Hey, Kevin! I've seen some fairly ugly SDP over time :-)
[12:29:35] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Who's talking?
[12:30:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Oh no, he said the "forklift" word
[12:30:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus talking now
[12:31:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> We have a timing issue. Need to apply for extra minutes before 15.00 hours
[12:31:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> back to page #6, the good old slide
[12:31:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Decision tree making
[12:32:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen talking
[12:35:06] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan talking
[12:35:12] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Which is why he's not scribing :-)
[12:35:22] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni/Magnus mixing media
[12:35:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The question is how - multiple RTP sessions over single transport?
[12:36:55] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> —— Page 17
[12:37:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Next steps"
[12:37:55] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus talking
[12:39:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Brian Rosen talking
[12:40:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — Next presentation
[12:40:12] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Colin Perkins - Circuit breakers
[12:41:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> draft-perkins-avtcore-rtp-circuit-breakers-00
[12:42:32] <Dan York> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-avtcore-2.pdf
[12:43:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Page #3
[12:48:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen on mike
[12:49:35] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald on mike
[12:51:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ? on mike
[12:51:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> James Polk on mike
[12:53:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus (as chair)
[12:54:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> james again
[12:55:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ————— Next presentation
[12:55:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> RTP Topology Considerations for Offer/Answer-Initiated Sessions - Jonathan Lennox
[12:55:51] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> draft-lennox-avtcore-rtp-topo-offer-answer-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-lennox-avtcore-rtp-topo-offer-answer-00>
[12:56:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Why offer/answer is broken and why it's a good thin"
[12:57:29] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Page #5
[12:58:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — page #6
[12:58:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — Page #7
[13:00:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — page #8
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[13:00:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> I'm leaving this session, moving to insipid. Dan York - can you continue logging for remote participants?
[13:00:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Also good for the note-takers.
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[13:01:02] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Arrrgh. Dan left the room as well.
[13:01:06] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Harald? Anyone?
[13:01:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> — page #10
[13:01:25] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan will take over when he's no longer talking
[13:01:27] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> —page 11
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[13:52:05] <Jonathan Lennox> Sorry, my computer slept while I was presenting…is anyone still remote?
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