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[11:41:05] francesca has set the subject to: CBOR @ IETF108 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/session/cbor
[12:42:09] <francesca> minutes: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-cbor?both
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[12:48:07] <jimsch1> francesca are you in the session yet? - Chair guidelines says it will be open 15 minutes before
[12:48:21] <francesca> I am waiting but it says still closed
[12:48:25] <francesca> are you in?
[12:48:27] <jimsch1> ditto
[12:48:33] <francesca> ok not just me then
[12:48:54] <francesca> ok apparently it's 5 min before for everybody
[12:49:47] <Meetecho> apologies for the confusion, rooms open 5 minutes before for everyone
[12:50:10] <francesca> thanks Meetecho got it
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[12:52:44] <francesca> session material: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/session/cbor
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[12:56:57] <Bob Moskowitz> Yes we hear you!
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[12:57:59] <Barry Leiba> By my clock, CBOR only opened 4 mins before, not 5.
[12:58:07] <Barry Leiba> Is it automatic, or manual?
[12:58:08] <Tsukasa OI> I see the slides :)
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[13:00:00] <Bob Moskowitz> Meetecho seems only to be separate video and audio.
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[13:01:04] <Bob Moskowitz> I see your mic enabled.
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[13:01:57] <jimsch1> @mcr: I will be taking minutes too
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[13:02:03] <mcr> I am here!
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[13:05:04] <jimsch1> @Barry:  Should the IESG ballot include a question on who should be included in the date document instead of John Lennon?
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[13:05:29] <Mike Jones> So I see that we're taking August off for holidays. ;-)
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[13:07:09] <mcr> well, we are. We expect you to keep working :-)
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[13:07:35] <mcr> @Barry, maybe Jon Postel!
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[13:09:28] <Ira McDonald> Jon Postel would be excellent
[13:09:52] <Ira McDonald> Adopt rather than just register Control
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[13:10:01] <Mike Jones> Thinking about the Jim Morrison possibility, I couldn't remember whether he died before or after the 1970-01-01 epoch date.  If before, both tag 100 examples would have been negative.  But he died on July 3, 1971, so the example value would be positive.
[13:10:21] <Mike Jones> But I like John Lennon better than Jim Morrison
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[13:10:43] <mcr> Jon Postel: born August 06, 1943, died Oct. 16, 1998.
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[13:10:58] <mcr> Both plus and and minus on 1970-01-01.
[13:10:58] <Mike Jones> Did others just loose Carsten's audio?
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[13:11:34] <Henk Birkholz> nope, cabo is audible to me at least
[13:11:39] <brong> Mike Jones: fine for me
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[13:11:55] <Bob Moskowitz> Click reload icon in lower right.
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[13:15:08] <mcr> okay. A third document. I can live with that.
[13:15:56] <Mohit Sethi> What would be the benefit of not doing this in 7049bis?
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[13:17:05] <mcr> it would delay 7049bis.
[13:17:15] <Ira McDonald> Henk's audio is very distorted
[13:17:20] <cabo> yes
[13:17:24] <brong> too high gain
[13:17:35] <brong> and also maybe not enough bandwidth
[13:17:36] <Adam Wiethuechter> Very distorted
[13:17:49] <Brendan Moran> Doesn't sound like a gain problem to me.
[13:17:53] <Brendan Moran> More like a flaky cable
[13:18:08] <mcr> flaky cable, agreed.
[13:18:08] <cabo> Packet processing artifact
[13:18:16] <Brendan Moran> Bad bluetooth?
[13:18:17] <Ira McDonald> Francesca or Carsten - please tell Henk
[13:19:00] <Bob Moskowitz> DOn't use bluetooth mics!  That came up in the testing.
[13:19:11] <brong> it's also louder than anyone else
[13:19:57] <Mohit Sethi> makes sense. especially with array/sequence notation request from Henk
[13:20:19] <mcr> [I have a BT heart monitor and a BT headset adapter that I run with.  If I clip the headset adapter to my heart rate monitor strap within 2", then my audio seems to skip, as if I had a bad cd]
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[13:20:39] <Sean Leonard> Hi!
[13:20:49] <francesca> Hi Sean! :)
[13:20:51] <Brendan Moran> @mcr, that seems about right.
[13:21:05] <Adam Wiethuechter> @mcr; you could be your own DJ
[13:21:22] <Henk Birkholz> I just hope that's an equalizer issue. I messed with that and will test via US NG MY OICE GAN!
[13:21:24] <Robin Wilton> @mcr Yikes. I hope it's only your audio that skips and not your heartbeat!
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[13:23:49] <jimsch1> @mcr: surjective?
[13:24:17] <mcr> wasn't that the point of issue #204?
[13:24:28] <jimsch1> Just hadn't heard the word
[13:24:36] <mcr> nor I, but it's in the issue.
[13:24:59] <mcr> Carsten knows all these math complex words, so if he likes it, then it must be correct :-)
[13:25:14] <Christian Amsüss> I think it's more common in German mathematics than in English
[13:25:20] <Jeffrey Yasskin_386> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surjective_function
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[13:39:23] <francesca> Chris you will need to request audio additionally to video to speak
[13:39:55] <Chris Lemmons> Let's see if I have the right buttons...
[13:40:12] <mcr> @Robert, so basically the protocol user of CBOR would have to say if they expect packed CBOR or not.  unpacked CBOR should work fine though.
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[13:42:41] <jimsch1> no
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[13:45:51] <Chris Lemmons> I have no specific timeline, the time has passed on the specs I'm working on that could use this.
[13:48:14] <Jeffrey Yasskin_386> Web Packaging would probably have time to evolve to use packed CBOR.
[13:48:59] <Sean Leonard> Oh: one thing: in the OID draft originally tag 6 (OID) and tag 7 (Relative-OID) were proposed...I already depoloyed some code using those tags...so I would propose that if packed CBOR uses a standards tag, that it uses tag 8...
[13:49:04] <Sean Leonard> (will put on mailing list)
[13:49:25] <mcr> Huzzah!
[13:49:26] <Chris Lemmons> Thank you all!
[13:49:30] <mcr> (That's my final word)
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[13:50:12] <francesca> Thanks mcr and Jim for minutes!!
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[13:50:43] <francesca> and everybody for a smooth meeting (phew) :)
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