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Rich Salz has set the subject to: CFRG at IETF 104 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/agenda-104-cfrg-00
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[19:43:20] Rich Salz has set the subject to: CFRG at IETF 105 https://dt.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-cfrg-00
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[19:53:32] <Rich Salz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-chairs-slides-00
[19:53:42] <synp> Others are welcome to join in the fun and help in the note-taking at https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-105-cfrg?useMonospaceFont=true
[19:53:49] <Rich Salz> p5
[19:54:22] <Rich Salz> I'm jabber scribe, put mic at the front for me to relay or ping me directly.
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[19:58:04] <Rich Salz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-hpke-00.pdf
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[19:59:09] <jhoyla> Richard Barnes on HPKE
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[19:59:18] <jhoyla> Slides @ https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-hpke-00
[19:59:20] <Rich Salz> p3 (setup block diagram no page numbers, for shame)
[19:59:38] <jhoyla> Sorry Rich, being slow :P
[19:59:51] <Rich Salz> Glad to defer to you; Stanislav asked me :)
[20:00:27] <jhoyla> I'm not willing to do slide numbers, so I'll leave you to it :P
[20:03:26] <Rich Salz> k
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[20:03:39] <Rich Salz> easy because THERE ARE NO DAMN NUMBERS
[20:04:16] <jhoyla> Dan Harkins @ mic
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[20:04:29] <hyperelliptic> Mic: Tanja Lange here; it depends on how they define ephemeral
[20:04:34] <hyperelliptic> as one time or short term
[20:04:54] <hyperelliptic> in the latter case probblems with CPA-secure KEMs come up
[20:05:00] <hyperelliptic> THanks
[20:05:17] <jhoyla> Adam Langley @ mic
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[20:11:24] <jhoyla> Stanislav Smyshlyaev on MGM
[20:11:32] <Rich Salz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-introducing-mgm-multilinear-galois-mode-01
[20:11:49] <Rich Salz> p2
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[20:15:31] <Rich Salz> (that was spotty, network glitchy for me exited and restarted my vpn stuff)
[20:15:39] <jhoyla> Scott Flehrer @ mic
[20:16:01] <jhoyla> @Rich Salz, me too >:(
[20:16:46] <jhoyla> Yoav Nir @ mic
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[20:20:31] <Rich Salz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-pairing-friendly-curves-00
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[20:34:22] <jhoyla> Riad Wahbi @ mic
[20:34:34] <hyperelliptic> if anybody cares for other options:
[20:34:36] <hyperelliptic>     Optimal TNFS-secure pairings on elliptic curves with composite embedding degree
    Georgios Fotiadis and Chloe Martindale
[20:34:45] <hyperelliptic> https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/555
[20:34:51] <jhoyla> Is that @mic?
[20:35:04] <jhoyla> hyperelliptic?
[20:35:11] <hyperelliptic> could be useful inptu
[20:35:21] <hyperelliptic> but I should probably write this on the mailing list
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[20:35:49] <Watson Ladd> i will send standard rant about conflating NFS timings with other algorithms
[20:36:20] <hyperelliptic> +1
[20:37:18] <jhoyla> Mark O. @ mic
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[20:37:32] <Watson Ladd> rasies hand
[20:37:57] <jhoyla> Léo Perrin on Streebog and Kuznyechik
[20:38:03] <Rich Salz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-streebog-and-kuznyechik-00
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[20:39:08] <Rich Salz> p1 (second page; zero-origin. heh)
[20:39:39] <Rich Salz> p1  (oh they're ALL page one.  sigh)  "Outline"
[20:40:06] <Rich Salz> third p2
[20:40:11] <jhoyla> Paper @ https://tosc.iacr.org/index.php/ToSC/article/view/7405/6577
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[20:40:45] <Rich Salz> animated presentation broken down into manual pdf.
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[20:40:55] <Rich Salz> i give up.  no page numbers for this presentation
[20:43:11] <jhoyla> AES paper @ https://csrc.nist.gov/csrc/media/projects/cryptographic-standards-and-guidelines/documents/aes-development/rijndael-ammended.pdf
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[20:46:02] <synp> What does it mean that ISO "standardizes" it?  Who has to use it?
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[20:50:13] <francesca> maybe it helped if the chairs full-screened the slides
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[20:50:59] <jhoyla> Phillip Hallam-Baker @ mic
[20:51:01] <francesca> or maybe not
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[20:53:11] <adrianfarrel> @Alexey - The ISE is in the room if you would like a comment on process for these RFCs
[20:53:19] <adrianfarrel> (But you just cut the queues)
[20:53:19] <jhoyla> Stanislav Smyshlyaev @ mic
[20:54:40] <sftcd> if considering deprecation: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6986/referencedby/
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[20:58:08] <sftcd> and I guess https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7801/referencedby/
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[21:00:06] <hyperelliptic> @sftcd‎ can CFRG demand comments from the designers?
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[21:00:26] <sftcd> anyone can demand anything I guess ;-)
[21:01:12] <Rich Salz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-hash-to-curve-update-00
[21:01:23] <Rich Salz> p "Roadmap"
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[21:01:48] <sftcd> seems to be a good case to write a draft that updates anything that normatively references the RFCs - that said I've no idea how widely those are used if at all
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[21:01:54] <Rich Salz> p "Hash_to_base"
[21:02:03] <jhoyla> Riad Wahby @ mic
[21:03:10] <Rich Salz> pg "map_to_curve"
[21:03:39] <synp> No slide numbers on this either :-(
[21:04:05] <Rich Salz> cryptographer slide numbers are probably really really big primes
[21:04:17] <Rich Salz> i can work without slide numbers but 10 pages of the same number… no.
[21:04:24] <synp> hyperelliptic: for the minutes, who are you?
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[21:04:35] <Rich Salz>     pg "hash-to-curve suites"
[21:04:44] <Rich Salz> hyperellliptic is tanja lange
[21:04:59] <synp> Ah. Thanks
[21:05:08] <Watson Ladd> should we tell speakers to upload non presentation versions of beamer slides so the numbers work?
[21:05:40] <Rich Salz> pg "open questions"
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[21:08:05] <Rich Salz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-cfrg-update-on-pake-selection-process-01
[21:08:32] <Rich Salz> p2
[21:08:50] <jhoyla> Stanislav Smyshlyaev on Pake Selection
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[21:09:05] <jhoyla> PAKE*
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[21:09:35] <synp> It's got slide numbers!  
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[21:14:17] <Rich Salz> no still p12
[21:14:27] <Bjoern Haase> MIC: Could you post the place where to find the replies regarding VTBPEKE? I did not find it on the mailing list.
[21:14:52] <jhoyla> Vasily Dolmatov @ mic
[21:17:33] <Bjoern Haase> OK, its not yet published. Thanks for the answer.
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[21:19:32] <hyperelliptic> thanks for typing!
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