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Thursday, 17 November 2011< ^ >
stpeter has set the subject to: CoRE WG | http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/ | IETF 81 | slides at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/materials.html#wg-core | audio at http://ietf81streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf801.m3u
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[07:19:47] <ws4d> has carsten no mic?
[07:19:51] <babongo> carsten mic ?
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[07:20:14] <ws4d> googd morning zach
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[07:20:19] <babongo> can't hear what carsten is saying
[07:20:21] <zdshelby> Hi
[07:20:24] <ws4d> has carsten a mic?
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[07:20:35] <zdshelby> The meeting hasn't started yet
[07:20:52] <ws4d> ok, hard to turn out without hearing hi :)
[07:20:57] <ws4d> him
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[07:22:43] <zdshelby> The audio is OK for everyone?
[07:22:50] <babongo> ack
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[07:23:38] stpeter has set the subject to: CORE WG | minutes at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/minutes
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[07:23:43] <stpeter> taking minutes at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/minutes
[07:23:45] <stpeter> please help
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[07:24:12] <babongo> great tool !
[07:24:16] <stpeter> yeah
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[07:27:14] <stpeter> slides at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html#wg-core
[07:27:27] stpeter has set the subject to: CORE WG | minutes at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/minutes | slides at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html#wg-core
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[07:29:34] <stpeter> how is the audio for remote folks?
[07:29:46] <Jojo> its ok
[07:29:48] <babongo> still very good for me
[07:29:53] <stpeter> thanks
[07:29:57] <Jojo> only one channel though, only on my left ear ;)
[07:30:01] <stpeter> heh
[07:30:22] <stpeter> next time we'll do quadraphonic :)
[07:30:23] <babongo> yep, hard mono :-)
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[07:32:37] <stpeter> as noted, we're taking minutes at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/minutes -- feel free to help
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[07:39:58] <Jojo> are there any recordings of the audio channels? wont be able to listen in tomorrow due to timezone ;)
[07:41:53] <stpeter> there will be recordings, yes
[07:41:55] <stpeter> there always are
[07:41:58] <obergmann> check out http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf82/
[07:42:14] <Cullen Jennings> who is at mic right now ? just not sure name ?
[07:42:18] <Jojo> thanks
[07:42:41] <stpeter> Zhen Cao
[07:42:46] <Cullen Jennings> thanks
[07:42:51] <stpeter> recorded in the minutes :)
[07:43:02] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/minutes
[07:43:15] <Cullen Jennings> I see now :-) +1 for the ether pad
[07:43:33] <stpeter> yep
[07:45:07] <resnick> I suggest just ask for anyone with concerns. I think folks are on board.
[07:45:31] <stpeter> nod
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[07:45:44] <stpeter> hmm, lost contact with the etherpad
[07:46:15] <resnick> Just a reload usually kicks it. I still see it.
[07:46:30] <stpeter> yep
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[07:47:36] <EKR> I'm in jabber
[07:49:30] <resnick> Cullen: Conclusion on previous was "update draft and confirm on list"?
[07:49:38] <Cullen Jennings> yes
[07:49:47] <resnick> (Just thought that should be in the minutes.) :-)
[07:50:33] <resnick> Dueling in etherpad. :-)
[07:50:35] <EKR> MIC: This is not an accurate description of the situation. This is not a TLS WG item.
[07:50:38] <Cullen Jennings> thank - I'm dark pruple - asume you are thie like purple :-)
[07:50:47] <resnick> ack
[07:50:50] <EKR> It may become one, but it is not now.
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[07:56:43] <Cullen Jennings> @EKR - ETA on other doc in TLS ?
[07:56:58] <Cullen Jennings> And would it help if we all clicked on mailto:tls@ietf.org?subject=Please%20standardize%20raw%20public%20keys&body=%0ACore%20really%20needs%20them.%20Thanks%0A
[07:57:10] <stpeter> :)
[07:57:10] <resnick> heh
[07:57:34] <EKR> Well, it's being presented in TLS today. The WG isn't that busy, and the work which is needed is relatively straightforward, so if accepted, it would depend on the authors.
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[07:58:49] <stpeter> ekr: will relay
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[08:01:44] <EKR> I don't understand what Bob is saying.
[08:01:56] <EKR> TLS raw public key just delivers a public key up the stack to the calling application.
[08:02:23] <EKR> Whatever hashing you do or do not do should be outside the scope of TLS
[08:02:36] <EKR> CoAP should feel free to specify it.
[08:03:10] <EKR> MIC: I would oppose that proposal.
[08:03:11] <stpeter> EKR: I'll channel your comments
[08:04:19] <stpeter> ekr: that proposal = ?
[08:04:33] <EKR> I oppose TLS returning a hashed key.
[08:04:40] <stpeter> ack
[08:04:56] <EKR> That confuses the place where there should be orthogonality, since there are other applications that have raw public key modes (E.g., JOSE).
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[08:11:53] <EKR> You're going to want to hash the SPKI.
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[08:12:59] <EKR> MIC: what am I missing? What's the problem with hashing the SPKI with a specific hash?
[08:13:28] <EKR> Given that the SPKI is what's going to appear on the wire.
[08:13:59] <EKR> Because that's not the way that TLS is designed. Tags aren't a TLS concept.
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[08:17:06] <EKR> I'm now awake
[08:18:13] <EKR> MIC: there were not a lot of comments.
[08:18:44] <resnick> It might be worth asking if other folks are thinking, "I'm OK with whatever security pixie dust the security guys tell me to use."
[08:18:54] <stpeter> resnick: :)
[08:19:03] <EKR> As Zack says, it's simple.
[08:19:26] <Cullen Jennings> pete - will see
[08:19:32] <resnick> ;)
[08:19:39] <Roy> handshake with resnick, let discuss next topic
[08:19:44] <Roy> :)
[08:20:14] <EKR> MIC: Is there any scenario in which the CoAP WG would want to use PKIX-style certs with a real CA?
[08:20:34] <EKR> MIC: If not, then it seems like a question of public key (and hence raw public keys) versus shared keys.
[08:22:07] <resnick> You hear that ekr
[08:22:08] <resnick> ?
[08:22:10] <EKR> y
[08:22:32] <resnick> Jari asked whether it was because they had nothing else.
[08:24:05] <EKR> Hum for I can live with it
[08:25:55] <resnick> Damn. I hate misspelling consensus.
[08:26:39] <stpeter> :P
[08:26:54] <stpeter> resnick: I see you're royal purple
[08:27:47] <resnick> I'm more magenta, but still... :-[
[08:28:38] <EKR> MIC: Where did 128 come from?
[08:28:55] <Kepeng> Can we move to another topic?
[08:29:12] <stpeter> moving on
[08:29:12] <EKR> Because every bit is expensive here.
[08:29:15] <EKR> ok.
[08:29:27] <stpeter> every bit is precious!
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[08:30:11] <stpeter> for new participants, we're taking minutes at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/minutes
[08:31:16] <EKR> Stpeter: well, if people are typing them in...
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[08:31:46] <Cullen Jennings> I love the royal purple
[08:32:01] <Cullen Jennings> We need special color for ADs - perhaps flashing red
[08:35:16] <EKR> pleaseplease stop
[08:35:20] <Jojo> ouch
[08:35:31] <EKR> AAAHH!!!!!!
[08:35:35] <babongo> are you under attack ? :-)
[08:35:40] <EKR> I feel like I'm in Gitmo
[08:36:02] <sm> It's for your own safety
[08:36:03] <resnick> I'm having flashbacks.
[08:36:11] <resnick> Oh, wait, that wasn't me.
[08:36:47] <resnick> @cullen: The flashing red is for "warning: bozo AD pontificating"?
[08:41:01] <Cullen Jennings> @pete - could give them white :-)
[08:42:18] <resnick> Ah, much better choice.
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[08:52:35] <Kepeng> i agree with Cullen
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