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Wednesday, 16 May 2012< ^ >
stpeter has set the subject to: CORE WG | minutes at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/core/minutes | slides at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/materials.html#wg-core
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[12:30:23] <cabo> 1, 2, 3, testing
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[12:38:31] <Cullen> hi
[12:38:44] <sal> Hi Cullen
[12:39:14] <cabo> Hi. Do we have webex data?
[12:39:22] <Cullen> just about to send it
[12:40:49] <cabo> Etherpad is down. Not sure how to take minutes.
[12:41:16] <Cullen> Could use google docs
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[12:41:28] <Cullen> or find some other ether pad we can use
[12:46:42] <Cullen> sent webex - hopefully for the rith time
[12:46:42] <cabo> http://piratepad.net/68UtOTYYoZ
[12:49:03] <cabo> Hmm, doesn't work too well.
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[12:50:37] <cabo> Trying different network attachment
[12:53:28] <Cullen> Does this work for you
[12:53:29] <Cullen> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f3izW9pBp2tSZL7B-n1qNuAD11pGzrUkb4nwR42_iac/edit
[12:54:46] <cabo> Apparently.
[12:54:56] <cabo> So we just need two notetakers...
[12:55:21] <cabo> Can you see my changes?
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[13:02:20] <cabo> Cleaned up agenda on http://coap.me/docs/agenda.txt
[13:02:31] <Cullen> yep - can see your changed
[13:03:15] <Cullen> did that agenda get uploaded to ietf tool ?
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[13:34:25] <cabo> No, will do.
[13:35:47] <cabo> coap-09 has 77 occurrences of the word SHOULD.
[13:36:38] <cabo> Or, in other words, a "SHOULD" MUST have a clear definition when it is a MAY.
[13:39:38] <cabo> Done, agenda now at Agenda <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2012/05/16/core/agenda/agenda-interim-2012-core-1.txt>
[13:47:27] <Cullen> "in other words, a "SHOULD" MUST have a clear definition when it is a MAY" Exactly :-)
[13:50:53] <cabo> Hi Sye, can you access the notes document? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f3izW9pBp2tSZL7B-n1qNuAD11pGzrUkb4nwR42_iac/edit
[13:56:10] <cabo> Sye Loong, what is the time at your place?
[13:56:29] <Sye Loong> it's 3:56 PM
[13:56:41] <Sye Loong> yes i can access the document
[13:56:44] <cabo> Oh, you are in Europe!
[13:56:51] <Sye Loong> yes i am.. in NL :)
[13:56:56] <cabo> I was wondering whether you are in SG
[13:57:22] <Sye Loong> no.. i am based in the Netherlands ...
[13:57:36] <cabo> Then it would have been a bit cruel to ask you for taking notes.
[13:57:47] <cabo> But now you have relieved by conscience...
[13:58:07] <cabo> Just add a line or two when we are done with discussing a ticket.
[13:58:39] <Sye Loong> i will not be able to join the whole telco
[13:58:58] <cabo> So we will have to find someone to relieve you.
[13:58:59] <Sye Loong> i will have to leave early
[13:59:29] <cabo> I think Klaus can do the second half.
[13:59:44] <cabo> And of course everyone can add when we have missed something.
[14:00:18] <Sye Loong> ok.. i will do the 4:30 to 5:30 notes, then Klaus can take over
[14:00:51] <Sye Loong> just add on to the minutes (the link you sent around)
[14:00:52] <Sye Loong> ?
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[14:09:15] <cabo> Yes, exactly
[14:15:43] <Sye Loong> okk..
[14:17:45] <cabo> … just make sure to alert Klaus when you need to go. Thanks!
[14:18:25] <Sye Loong> just alert him here in the jabber room?
[14:18:38] <Cullen> Carsten (and others), I find the webex dial out to PSTN quality better than the webex voip quality in most cases so I would not recommend connecting to webex using it as a voip client. I find I get better quality if I just have it call me on PSTN or use Skpe to dial in to it. In many cases webex will just run it's voice over TCP which ends up sounding pretty bad in some cases.
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[14:20:36] <cabo> Slideset at Consolidated slides <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2012/05/16/core/slides/slides-interim-2012-core-1-0.pdf>
[14:20:52] <cabo> I may update that in a couple of minutes
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[14:28:27] <cabo> I'm not getting beyond "One Moment Please…" on my Mac.
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[14:30:13] <Cullen> hmm - has it been at that for over a minute ?
[14:30:19] <cabo> Yes.
[14:30:52] <Cullen> just kill the page, try the link again , and cross finger
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[14:32:05] <cabo> Ah, "Webex64 Plugin Container" is it...
[14:32:37] <Barry Leiba> Awfully quiet on the call...........
[14:32:41] <Cullen> so looks like you are in nbow
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[14:39:30] <resnick> Just curious: Who was Call-in 2?
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[14:40:59] <Cullen> forget order, but I think that was Sye Loong
[14:41:11] <Sye Loong> i called in using skype
[14:41:23] <resnick> thx
[14:44:19] <cabo> Updated slides at Consolidated slides <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2012/05/16/core/slides/slides-interim-2012-core-1-0.pdf>
[14:50:28] <Cullen> Many fine lunches and dinners is a critical use case
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[15:07:27] <babongo> webex audio is clipped on my side, i can't hear :-(
[15:08:53] <Sye Loong> i have the same problem too.. voice is breaking up.
[15:09:40] <resnick> It sounds like it breaks up a bit when two people are talking at the same time. But then it recovers.
[15:10:13] <resnick> Though Zach sounds a bit choppy.
[15:10:33] <resnick> BTW: Who is call-in 5 who recently joined?
[15:11:16] <Cullen> not sue
[15:11:48] <Jeroen Hoebeke> same problem here
[15:12:30] <babongo> tried to rejoin, still the same
[15:13:14] <babongo> cullen is the only one that I can hear in a decent way
[15:14:31] <resnick> It may be sending problem with a few people. Matthias sounded clear.
[15:14:52] <Cullen> Carsten sounds ok now
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[15:22:11] <babongo> it seems ok now
[15:22:43] <Sye Loong> Esko is probably call-in 5
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[15:52:49] <Sye Loong> I have to leave.. Esko has kindly agreed to take the meeting notes, when he needs to leave, Klaus can take over...
[16:00:59] <Cullen> Thank you Sye , Esko, & Klaus
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[16:08:39] <EskoDijk> here's a uri of *almost* 270
[16:08:41] <EskoDijk> http://maps.google.nl/maps?q=Stichting+Peuterspeelzaal+Dreumes+Dribbel,+Victor+Hugoplantsoen+33,+Utrecht&hl=nl&sll=47.471235,3.846782&sspn=0.119517,0.338173&oq=peuter&t=h&hq=Stichting+Peuterspeelzaal+Dreumes+Dribbel,&hnear=Victor+Hugoplantsoen+33,+West,+Utrecht&z=16
[16:09:13] <Cullen> good point
[16:15:27] <EskoDijk> 266 bytess
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[16:30:09] <resnick> You'd get pushback from me.
[16:31:17] <resnick> Didn't the IESG just approve a BCP on why x- is a bad idea?
[16:31:28] <resnick> draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-05 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash/>
[16:56:50] <EskoDijk> it seems I can't give audio feedback / input, ah well...
[17:00:35] <EskoDijk> yes, awake
[17:02:04] <EskoDijk> !! Anyone, Klaus (?), can take over the note taking. I'm leaving in 10 minutes.
[17:08:00] <Cullen> Klaus ?
[17:08:46] <Cullen> rfc 5405
[17:09:41] <Cullen> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5405
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