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Tuesday, 27 March 2012< ^ >
Lorenzo Miniero has set the subject to: DISPATCH WG session
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[11:02:51] <kpfleming> we have audio feed
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[11:03:19] <Jonathan Lennox> I am jabber scribe, let me know if you want anything relayed to the mic
[11:03:52] <kpfleming> it is 06h00 here... doubtful :-)
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[11:07:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> FYI, a Meetecho session is available to remotely attend this session http://www.meetecho.com/ietf83/dispatch
[11:09:54] <Alessandro Amirante> Correction: Meetecho is @ http://srv137.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/login.jsp?ietf=dispatch
[11:10:22] <kpfleming> is anyone else in the jabber room remote, or is it just me?
[11:11:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Sip Traversal Required for Applications
[11:11:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Sip Traversal Required for Applications
[11:11:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Hadriel presenting
[11:11:47] <kpfleming> so far, i recognize everyone who has been speaking, so the jabber scribe doesn't need to announce them :)
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[11:12:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: The Problem(s)
[11:12:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Lawyers vs. Humans
[11:14:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Taking Small Sips not Gulps
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[11:21:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> No eternal life for SIP messages, then.
[11:21:24] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Initial Deliverables
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[11:26:02] <kpfleming> thank you robert
[11:26:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: The Charter
[11:28:32] <Cullen Jennings> Charter at
[11:28:32] <Cullen Jennings> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dispatch/current/msg03843.html
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[11:35:59] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Keith Drage at mic
[11:36:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Will this group have monopoly on all b2bua related issues?
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[11:39:35] <kpfleming> who is speaking?
[11:40:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Robert sparks on mic now
[11:40:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ??? before
[11:41:40] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox on mic
[11:42:01] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Good proposal.
[11:42:59] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Daryl Malas on mic
[11:43:10] Mo Zanaty joins the room
[11:43:44] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hi ibc!
[11:43:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> So we have multiple remote participants
[11:44:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Partha talking
[11:44:59] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Oh - do we need a b2bua police task force?
[11:45:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Brian Rose
[11:45:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> talking
[11:45:23] <kpfleming> the audio is lagging about six seconds
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[11:45:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Ok
[11:45:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Kevin, try the RTSP stream
[11:45:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> rtsp://srv137.conf.meetecho.com/8880007.sdp
[11:45:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> it's almost realtime
[11:46:41] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The actual charter is on the screen.
[11:47:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Charter being projected: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dispatch/current/msg03843.html
[11:47:17] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel lost his quota for a while...
[11:47:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> He's back talking
[11:48:32] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Back to slide deck
[11:48:40] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: DISPATCHing STRAW
[11:49:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> The straw t-shirts will only fit super-models…
[11:49:54] <Jonathan Lennox> Or else will be very scratchy
[11:50:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> And is delivered in pairs of two sewn together as a b2b-thirt
[11:50:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Sohel Khan on mic
[11:51:27] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo kamailio on mic
[11:51:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Camarillo :)
[11:51:38] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> oops. Wrong sir name
[11:51:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Gonzalo Camarillo
[11:51:54] <kpfleming> close pronounciations :-)
[11:52:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> close enough!
[11:52:12] <ibc> both are SIP :)
[11:52:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Who is at the mic?
[11:53:12] <Jonathan Lennox> Andrew Allen
[11:54:21] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Merge this group with INSIPID… ;-)
[11:55:01] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> But the difference is that INSIPID is creating new headers, so it's not a good idea, mr oej.
[11:56:12] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Daryl on mic
[11:56:22] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo casually waiting behind
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[11:57:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Keith Drage on mic
[11:57:29] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo
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[11:58:25] kpfleming hand up
[11:59:00] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Proxyd that.
[11:59:37] <kpfleming> i will help authoring, but it will depend on the topic
[12:00:40] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Goes for a lot of people :-)
[12:01:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Humming coming up
[12:01:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> "Moto" on mic
[12:03:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonatan Lennox talking
[12:03:46] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Time for humming
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[12:04:05] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Strong consensus on creating wg
[12:04:06] <kpfleming> hum
[12:04:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
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[12:04:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Too much latency kevin - hum on what? :-)
[12:04:24] <kpfleming> creating wg
[12:04:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Stream Selection
[12:04:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Stream Selection
[12:04:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: IPR Disclosure
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[12:05:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Discussion Goals
[12:05:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Main Topologies
[12:06:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Wanted Functionality
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[12:07:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Relation to SDP
[12:07:18] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Is this hold or really pause/resume? Resume presumes starting at the point of pause.
[12:07:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Choose What Content to Receive
[12:09:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni on mic
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[12:10:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo on mic
[12:10:22] Staffan Kerker joins the room
[12:10:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Andrew talking
[12:10:52] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ..soon...
[12:10:57] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Bo responding
[12:11:13] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Andrew talking - really
[12:11:15] Nikos Leontsinis joins the room
[12:11:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan lennox on mic
[12:12:57] Miguel Garcia joins the room
[12:13:05] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo talking
[12:13:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus Westerlund talking
[12:14:04] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Brian Rosen talking
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[12:15:19] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo talking
[12:16:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Bo talking again
[12:17:10] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Slide 8
[12:17:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Request to Pause Sending of a Content
[12:17:40] <Lorenzo Miniero> sorry missed the trigger :)
[12:18:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox talking
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[12:19:16] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni even talking
[12:19:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Assumed Signaling System
[12:20:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> I do lack b2buas on the slide set. Discrimination?
[12:20:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Three Possible Solutions; 1
[12:21:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Three Possible Solutions; 2
[12:22:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: Three Possible Solutions; 3
[12:22:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Three Possible Solutions; 2
[12:22:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Three Possible Solutions; 1
[12:22:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Three Possible Solutions; 2
[12:22:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: Three Possible Solutions; 3
[12:22:34] Penn Pfautz leaves the room
[12:23:35] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> People lining up at the mics
[12:23:44] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox talking
[12:24:07] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni Even talking
[12:24:57] <kpfleming> these control messages must be transported over neutrino beams for instant communication :-)
[12:25:29] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Right. Then the video stream will change *before* you asked for it to happen.
[12:25:45] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Bo answering
[12:25:55] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni back
[12:26:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Brian Rosen talking
[12:26:47] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo talking
[12:27:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 14: Possible Destination WGs
[12:27:31] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox talking
[12:28:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen talking
[12:28:55] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni Even talking
[12:29:30] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Gonzalo
[12:30:11] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen talking
[12:30:49] Penn PFautz joins the room
[12:31:02] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Keith Drage talking
[12:32:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: Three Possible Solutions; 3
[12:32:13] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Who's talking?
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[12:32:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> couldn't read te name sorry...
[12:32:38] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Paul talking (missed a few quick remarks)
[12:33:02] <tomkrist> Rob Hansen talked before Paul K.
[12:33:14] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Adam Roach talking
[12:33:58] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Roni Even talking
[12:34:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Request to Pause Sending of a Content
[12:34:34] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Andrew Allen talking
[12:35:17] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox again
[12:35:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Choose What Content to Receive
[12:36:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Brian Rosen once again
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[12:36:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 14: Possible Destination WGs
[12:37:01] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Cullen talking as chair
[12:37:21] <kpfleming> do users matter?
[12:37:27] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Jonathan Lennox
[12:38:02] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Magnus Westlund talking
[12:38:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[12:38:20] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> ————— Next presentation
[12:38:23] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> :-)
[12:38:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Telephone Related Queries (TeRQ)
[12:38:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: The Changing Focus of ENUM
[12:39:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel placing himself in front of the mic queue
[12:40:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Time to Reconsider?
[12:43:06] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Martin ?? at mic
[12:43:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Martin Dolly
[12:43:39] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> If you need me or Lorenzo to relay to mic, prefix your message with "mic:"
[12:46:53] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Sohel Khan on mic
[12:48:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> David ?? on mic
[12:48:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> David Schwartz
[12:50:09] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Dean Willis talking
[12:50:56] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Note: IETF can be harmful. Dean Willis is still in therapy. Jon Peterson still have nightmares after a discussion in Anaheim years ago.
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[12:51:41] <Alessandro Amirante> :)
[12:52:28] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Hadriel trying to talk
[12:53:46] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Meta-Enum discussion going on. What's ENUM, really?
[12:54:54] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Dispatch to other forums?
[12:55:56] <kpfleming> personally i think this would fit equally well in the SIP Forum, but that's off-topic for this meeting
[12:57:40] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: The TeRQ Strawman
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[12:59:55] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> Daryl talking
[13:00:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: The TeRQ Architecture
[13:00:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Transporting TeRQ
[13:00:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Thoughts?
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[13:02:40] <kpfleming> i will participate
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[13:03:14] <Olle E. Johansson, Paris, France for the IETF 83 (GMT +1)> And that's all folks. Thanks for participating.
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