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[09:31:33] <Paul Kyzivat> Is the audio working? (I'm not getting any.)
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[09:32:40] <Paul Kyzivat> (Though I am getting video.)
[09:32:58] <Cullen Jennings> you should be getting audio now - are you ?
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[09:33:16] <Paul Kyzivat> no. I'll try something else.
[09:33:24] <resnick> New “Note Well”:
[09:33:24] <resnick> https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
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[09:33:41] <resnick> Old chairs used old “Note Well” ;-)
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[09:34:48] <hildjj> I will speak at the mic for you if you want.  Please prefix your statement with "MIC:" to get my attention.
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[09:37:01] <Cullen Jennings> Paul, do you think the audio  stream is on your end or ours? Is audio working for anyone ?
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[09:39:20] <Loide Uuzigo> Hi guys, I'm Loide.
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[09:40:00] <Loide Uuzigo> connected from Namibia, I can hear very well..
[09:40:12] <Loide Uuzigo> great discussion
[09:40:26] <Paul Kyzivat> Not working for me. But I'm using headphones I never before used for meetecho, so its probably me. I don't find a way to change to a different input device. (I told it to remember these.)
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[09:42:53] <meetecho> Paul Kyzivat: from a network perspective, everything looks fine for you here, so it may indeed be a device issue
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[09:47:58] <Cullen Jennings> Loide, thank you kindly for info
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[09:50:01] <Paul Kyzivat> Meetecho, how can I change the audio device? I told it to remember this one and now it doesn't ask when I reconnect.
[09:52:03] <hildjj> (math pedantry jokes off-mic)
[09:52:17] <meetecho> Paul Kyzivat: this is typically a browser thing, you should check what it's configured to capture
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[09:55:15] <Paul Kyzivat> meetecho: got it working by changing from Firefox to Chrome
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[09:58:01] <hildjj> in answer to Colin, if you want to make it easy to extract format-X from a new-style RFC, use https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7991#section-2.48.2
[09:58:47] <Sean> (should look at CDDL [wondering aloud, CDDL already mentioned at mic])
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[10:00:40] <Cullen Jennings> Hey paul, sorry we cut the lines a bit back and we are way over time
[10:00:47] <resnick> I think it would be good for a real comparison between this and draft-handrews-json-schema*.
[10:00:50] <Paul Kyzivat> ok
[10:00:55] <hildjj> CDDL (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cbor-cddl-02) will be discussed at the CBOR working group meeting
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[10:02:15] <Sean> On meetecho: i cannot log in: Meetecho keeps on saying "Loading…" where is meetecho troubleshooting discussed? (Tried latest Firefox and Chrome already on macOS 10.13.1 High Sierra)
[10:02:35] <resnick> Seems like if there are folks using the handrews stuff and only Andy is using this one, it seems like we should go with the one more used.
[10:02:39] <Paul Kyzivat> humm for some schema
[10:02:47] <John Klensin> (N)
[10:03:14] <Paul Kyzivat> Have read
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[10:04:40] <meetecho> Sean: have you tried the selftest?
[10:04:48] <meetecho> https://selftest.conf.meetecho.com
[10:05:00] <meetecho> Just wondering if it's a failure to setup the WebRTC feeds for you for some reason
[10:05:17] <Sean> @meetecho, thanks, I will try selftest
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[10:09:44] <Martin Thomson> Paul Kyzivat: are you in queue for this, or did we miss you in the last discussion?
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[10:09:53] <Sean> @meetecho: selftest succeeds, looks like no problem there. (Chrome 65 on macOS) However, I am trying to log in to https://blenheim.conf.meetecho.com/q-meetecho/login.jsp and it still says "Loading…" after clicking "Submit". After about 30 seconds, it says "error" in red, no more specific messages
[10:10:16] <Sean> (i am getting audio only via public feed, no video, no participation etc.)
[10:10:25] <meetecho> Sean: looking into it
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[10:10:49] <Cullen Jennings> The meetchecho red button does not seem to be working for chairs (at least for paul). Adam is getting folsk to look into it.
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[10:11:11] <Adam Roach> Cullen Jennings: My queries actually landed me here to ping meetecho
[10:11:23] <Adam Roach> meetecho: The button in Blenheim appears to be broken. :)
[10:11:35] <Cullen Jennings> So if anyone has questions, we can use jabber instead of meetecho
[10:11:42] <meetecho> Adam Roach: looking into it
[10:11:55] <Adam Roach> meetecho: Thanks!
[10:12:00] <meetecho> Are you trying to unmute Paul? We can do that for you
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[10:12:09] <meetecho> So in case just mention us for granting/revoking
[10:13:13] <meetecho> Adam Roach, Cullen Jennings: restarted the service, it should work now
[10:13:32] <Cullen Jennings> thanks - that worked
[10:13:39] <meetecho> (y)
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[10:26:18] <hildjj> host-meta: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6415
[10:28:26] <fielding> https://www.iana.org/assignments/well-known-uris/well-known-uris.xhtml
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[10:31:10] <John Klensin> Could people please be encouraged to state their names.  Situation today seem s to typically be either no name at all (most common) or "I am <mumble> ..."
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[10:32:35] <resnick> Please, can we end this.
[10:32:36] <Barry Leiba> Yeh, it's always dicey whether we (even in the room) can understand the names as they're spoken.  People tend to say their own names very quickly.
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[10:36:38] <John Klensin> @Barry, seems to be worse today than usual. but maybe it is just the hour.
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[10:37:00] <hildjj> (i'm going to go side-channel the chairs on the "say your name" topic)
[10:37:47] <hildjj> (done)
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[10:41:09] <Sean> hi meetecho, how should I contact you directly? (so as not to inundate this group chat) still not able to log in: still says "Loading…" but does not turn over to the virtual room
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[10:44:50] <meetecho> Sean: just sent you a private message
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[10:45:55] <John Levine> Note taker here, I will try and remind them
[10:47:43] <=JeffH> what's the SFU thingy ?
[10:48:31] <Gustavo Garcia> https://webrtcglossary.com/sfu/
[10:49:10] <fenton> Thank you (for both the question and answer)
[10:49:40] <Timothy Panton> thows/duplicates video packets around without decoding them fully - for video conferencing.
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[10:51:41] <John Klensin> MIC: Having just done a slightly-similar analysis for the DNS (RFC 8324), at what point do you expect to think about what it would take to get any improvements you suggest deployed?  Some of these changes imply some rather significant transitions.
[10:51:53] <hildjj> they cut the mic lines?
[10:52:21] <hildjj> (do you want me to stand up anyway?)
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[10:54:47] <ted.h> So, the reason for that was a decision by the working group that the domain of interoperability included existing implementations, via gateway.  
[10:55:05] <John Klensin> Yes, please.  Cutting the Mic line without allowing remote  participant input at all is abusive.
[10:55:17] <ted.h> If we had not, webrtc would have been done far earlier, as some of the controversy (e.g. over codec) would not have arisen at all.
[10:55:49] <Timothy Panton> +1 (Although it did allow some code re-use)
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[11:02:13] <hildjj> note: in the XMPP community, "PEP" means https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0163.html
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