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Monday, July 16, 2018< ^ >
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[13:25:26] <m&m> Hello all!  I shall be your Jabber relay.  You'd like me to relay something in the room, please preface it with "mic:".
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[13:26:09] <Murray Kucherawy> DISPATCH begins its broadcast day.
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[13:27:14] <resnick> Do you stand and sing “O Canada” to begin the broadcast Murray?
[13:27:35] <fenton> I want to hear that.
[13:27:37] <Murray Kucherawy> Pete is on notice that he needs not to make the chairs laugh with hot mics.
[13:27:54] <resnick> Aye cap’n.
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[13:31:41] <fenton> There don't seem to be working spakers on the left side of the room. Can wtill hear, but it's not balanced.
[13:32:30] <Murray Kucherawy> I don't see a speaker at all on the left, working or not.
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[13:32:52] <fenton> that could be the problem :)
[13:32:59] <m&m> Ben Schwartz - HELIUM
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[13:33:49] <Jonathan Lennox> I think the speakers are built into the ceiling, and centered in the room.
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[13:34:57] <resnick> If you think the sound should be better, you can always send to mtd@ietf.org <mailto:mtd@ietf.org>.
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[13:36:13] <Murray Kucherawy> I think there's a speaker on the right side, up front.  But nothing on the left.
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[13:37:14] <ted.h> I thought there was a message/ mime type for udp, but turns out it is vnd.:  https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/vnd.yamaha.tunnel-udpencap
[13:37:43] <mnot> ... which is another reason to flatten the media type registry.
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[13:38:22] <jeffpc> are the slides available?
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[13:39:03] <m&m> jeffpc: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dispatch-helium-01.pdf
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[13:39:26] <resnick> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/
[13:39:27] <resnick> will get you everything for the meeting.
[13:40:26] <jeffpc> thanks
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[13:50:11] <craigt> It's protocols, all the way down....
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[13:50:43] <lucaspardue> Ben presents one substrate (WebSockets), we could use QUIC as a substrate to avoid HoL
[13:51:00] <lucaspardue> that might itself need some addition to the QUIC transport
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[13:53:35] <Julian Reschke> The syntax is correct - see https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc7230.html#absolute-form
[13:53:50] <Julian Reschke> ^^^ mic
[13:54:50] <lucaspardue> who is talking?
[13:54:55] <mnot> harald
[13:54:57] <m&m> Harald
[13:54:59] <lucaspardue> ta
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[13:56:15] <m&m> Julian Reschke do you still want that relayed? Am in line ...
[13:56:38] <Julian Reschke> no, not really needed
[13:57:04] <m&m> ta
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[13:57:25] <ted.h> TURN/TLS is a thing too.
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[14:13:58] <resnick> Yes, we’re staying here.
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[14:17:21] <ted.h> PEP is not being dispatched, but is in ARTAREA?
[14:17:22] <m&m> pEp - Bernie Hoeneisen < https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dispatch-pep-00.pdf >
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[14:20:27] <ekr> This is like the 4th time I have seen this presentation
[14:20:30] <ekr> Why is it here?
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[14:20:49] <mnot> Let’s go shopping
[14:20:54] <ekr> Indeed
[14:20:58] <Spamvictim> gee, it's the ssh security model
[14:21:00] <ekr> I told them they couldn’t have time at SAAG
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[14:23:20] <resnick> It’s a vaguely interesting proposal, but they’re having not much luck generating interest. I suspect if it doesn’t get anywhere this week, it won’t get any more mic time.
[14:23:44] <ajs> Has this (FSVO of "this") been implemented anywhere?  It doesn't seem to me like standards work exactly unless someone has a PoC, at which point it is mabye interesting.
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[14:26:04] <ekr> I think these guys have an implementation
[14:26:15] <resnick> My understanding is that the authors have implemented this as plug-ins for a few mail apps.
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[14:40:57] <Murray Kucherawy> It wasn't as developed last time.  I think before 103 it'll be dispatched in some way.
[14:41:39] <mnot> Oh shit - now we have IETF meeting numbers clashing with HTTP status codes. I’m going to be easily confused for a little while.
[14:42:00] <resnick> I think he just literally waved his hands. ;-)
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[14:43:16] <Murray Kucherawy> Web Service Discovery, PHB
[14:43:23] <m&m> Web Service Discovery - Phil Halam-Baker < https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dispatch-web-service-discovery-00.pdf >
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[14:45:33] <fluffy@cisco.com> note this is also part of ArtArea meeting and not Dispatch
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[14:52:52] <ajs> I confess I seem to have missed what is novel here
[14:53:04] <ekr> Ask that question
[14:53:13] <ekr> It will illuminate the rest of us
[14:53:31] <jeffpc> I think the idea is that it'll be written up once
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[14:53:37] <jeffpc> instead of by multiple standards
[14:54:53] <fluffy@cisco.com> the RFC for link relations is https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6415
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[14:59:05] <mnot> That’s not link relations, that’s host meta
[14:59:32] <fluffy@cisco.com> oh sorry - thanks for correction
[14:59:47] <Peter van Dijk (PowerDNS)> which uses link relations
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[15:00:30] <ajs> I think it is at least amusing that the discussion, "Jeez, TXT records are unstructured crap, not actually good datatype," has left the despondent world of DNS weenies and has moved to APPSAWG
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[15:00:56] <ajs> Yeah, yeah, I know "ART"
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[15:01:06] <Lucas Pardue> :)
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[15:01:28] <Murray Kucherawy> We've started to believe them.
[15:01:59] <Spamvictim> I keep telling you how to fix the DNS provisioning problem, but does anyone ever listen?
[15:02:26] <ajs> The TXT record is the new punch line to the joke about the North West Mounted Police.
[15:02:54] <Murray Kucherawy> ?
[15:03:30] <ajs> The NWMP sent an officer to the far north.  Before he left, his superintendent gave him a box and said, "In the event of emergency, open this."
[15:05:41] <ajs> The officer got in trouble in the field, in a blizzard, and his horse died and he was out of food.  He was alone and going to die.  With freezing hands, he opened the box.  Inside was a configuration for a zone file, and the instruction, "Use a TXT record to define the fields of the service."  The officer started to write down the appropriate TXT record, and someone immediately appeared behind him and said, "That's not what TXT records are for …"
[15:05:48] <ajs> (the original is with a martini.)
[15:06:58] <Murray Kucherawy> nice
[15:07:18] <Murray Kucherawy> what's the ignored fix for the DNS provisioning problem?
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[15:09:38] <mnot> Andrew feels very comfortable saying “hosed” while we’re in .ca
[15:09:52] <Murray Kucherawy> It is both culturally and technically correct.
[15:10:08] <m&m> openmic time!
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[15:11:20] <fluffy@cisco.com> Tuesday 6:30 in square D room … there will be talk about use of SRV of HTTP
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[15:11:38] <resnick> Square D is a nice brand of circuit breakers.
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[15:11:42] <m&m> and that's a wrap
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[15:11:45] <ajs> John (Levine) has a nice proposal for a standard form for RRTYPEs
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[15:11:50] <ajs> (that's the ignored thing)
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