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[07:43:20] m&m has set the subject to: DISPATCH WG session - IETF 104 Agenda < https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-104-dispatch/ >
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[07:56:39] <m&m> Good norming!  I'll be your Jabber scribe today.  If you have something to be relayed at the room mic, please preface it with "mic:"
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[07:57:22] <Eric Burger> Is there a dog in the room?
[07:57:51] <Eric Burger> Sounded like barking. Or chairs scraping on the floor.
[07:58:02] <Ben C> That's the noise whenever someone slides a chair. (furniture, not WG chairs)
[07:58:13] <Eric Burger> :o
[07:58:17] <brong> it's the chairs
[07:58:23] <brong> it's mostly Jim's fault
[07:59:04] <Ben C> It's really startling when it's your chair
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[08:03:12] <Rich Salz> Can we get dogs for next time?
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[08:08:26] <Eric Burger> Ouch
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[08:09:21] <Eric Burger> Does it have a worm?
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[08:11:30] <m&m> Webpackaging - Jeffery Yasskin / Kouhei Ueno
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[08:12:51] <Ben C> @eric: no worm
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[08:27:23] <Eric Burger> But volume is just right remotely
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[08:31:45] <m&m> Dan York at mic
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[08:34:32] <Eric Burger> MIC: OK Cullen - so we have to show up in person to participate in the IETF?
[08:34:59] <Eric Burger> hee hee
[08:35:09] <Rich Salz> If you don't already have a history, yeah kinda.
[08:35:30] <Martin Thomson> even with a history, if you are serious, you show up
[08:35:35] <Eric Burger> I know, but it's the fiction we like to keep up.
[08:35:46] <Eric Burger> And it's easy to show up if I have a corporate travel budget
[08:35:57] <Eric Burger> and I don't need to ask the State Department first ;-)
[08:36:13] <Rich Salz> you can build a history via remote participation.  but it's hard to come in cold.  and it's not like google cant afford it.
[08:36:15] <Martin Thomson> I feel no obligation to propagate myths, no matter how socially acceptable they are
[08:37:28] <m&m> JSON Contact - Robert Stepanek
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[08:37:59] <Eric Burger> Let the Meetecho folks know there's lots of echo
[08:38:03] <Paul Kyzivat> There is an echo in the audio
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[08:38:25] <Meetecho> Yep we noticed, trying to compensate
[08:38:37] <mnot@mnot.net> meetecho - and in-room remote audio is VERY LOUD
[08:38:54] <mnot@mnot.net> ear-bleedingly so
[08:39:03] <Meetecho> Fixing that (y)
[08:39:26] <Meetecho> Can you let me know if/when it's better?
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[08:39:33] <Meetecho> We're tweaking the controls right now
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[08:39:53] <Jonathan Lennox> I don't feel like I'm hearing any dramatic level difference in the room
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[08:40:18] <mnot@mnot.net> it is very slightly less offensive,but still very loud
[08:40:51] <Meetecho> Ack, keeping on tweaking
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[08:41:25] <mnot@mnot.net> that's better
[08:41:25] <Meetecho> What about now?
[08:41:36] <m&m> much improved, thank you
[08:41:46] <Meetecho> (y)
[08:42:13] <m&m> Daniel Migault at mic
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[08:43:20] <Rich Salz> @robert, mute your mic  avoids echo
[08:43:25] <craigt> Robert Stepanek, we have echo probably from your mic...can you mute?
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[08:45:51] <Aaron> @meetecho: we're in congress 3 and the sound bleed from congress 1/2 is really bad.  sounds like a remote presenter
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[08:47:08] <Ben C> Since robert is remote presenting, the chairs cannot see if others are in the meetecho queue. If you are in queue and being ignored, please say something here.
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[08:47:40] <Meetecho> Ben C: we're monitoring the queue, so we can remove Robert from fullscreen when it happens
[08:47:48] <Ben C> thanks!
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[08:51:41] <york@jabber.isoc.org> I saw 5 hands from the back of the room
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[08:52:51] Wendy Seltzer notes how hard it is to find a jabber setup on a new account...
[08:53:39] <Eric Burger> He's almost there...
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[08:54:12] <Eric Burger> Brian can see the Hilton, but it's a slow go.
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[08:55:40] <m&m> JSON Canonicalization Scheme
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[08:59:40] <Barry Leiba> Probably should "red-button" Robert (on meetecho).
[09:00:23] <Ben C> Robert, are you in queue to speak, or is that leftover from previous segment?
[09:00:51] <Robert Stepanek> Ben, it's a leftover. sorry, I;ll try to leave queue
[09:01:09] <Robert Stepanek> done :)
[09:01:13] <Ben C> thanks!
[09:01:29] <Barry Leiba> Brian as arrived.
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[09:19:21] <m&m> Relay User Machine (RUM) - Brian Rosen
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[09:21:54] <Aaron> Thanks to Brian for giving me ATM flashbacks with UNI & NNI
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[09:23:29] <Eric Burger> We can donate Zoom or something else
[09:23:38] <Aaron> IETF webex?
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[09:33:57] <Eric Burger> Mic: Before Brian freaks out, I think 90% of the "am I talking with who I am talking with" is already present in SIP
[09:34:56] <m&m> Chris Wendt at mic
[09:35:14] <Eric Burger> I was going to say Chris read my mind, but I suppose it was v-v
[09:35:43] <Martin Thomson> to some extent, this depends on the service being trusted, but this is not something that necessarily translates well to the party who doesn't have a relationship with the translation service
[09:36:24] <Eric Burger> There are mechanisms built on STIR that have some (but not all) of the qualities we are looking for.
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[09:37:27] <Eric Burger> I would also offer a solution that offers all of the qualities we are looking for is a purple unicorn. This is most explicitly a MITM service, paid for (and aware) by the users
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[09:38:35] <m&m> fin
[09:38:37] <Jonathan Lennox> Yes, it's a MITM, but something that says "I can prove I am the MITM you paid for, and I can prove I currently have an incoming call from this person I claim you're talking to" should be achievable.
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[09:38:53] <Eric Burger> Thanks Matthew for the interpretation!
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