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[01:44:11] <mellon> I just see long-number@canning.conf.meetecho.com <mailto:long-number@canning.conf.meetecho.com>
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[02:02:23] <ran.atkinson> mic:  Slide 2 is unclear.  Are they saying link-local multicast is not available ? or merely that there is no multicast forwarding off-link.
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[02:05:02] <ran.atkinson> mic: did not answer the question.  Is link-local multicast available or not ?
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[02:06:04] <ran.atkinson> mic: if link-local multicast is not available, how does IPv6 ND work ?
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[02:14:22] <Brian Carpenter> Overview of autonomic networking: https://github.com/becarpenter/graspy/blob/master/AN-overview.pdf
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[02:21:27] <Brian Carpenter> @Ran: your question's a good one but really not answerable in a brief note. The GRASP model assumes that LL multicast just works, and the autonomic control plane is a VRF instance that carries LL multicast packets over pt2pt IPSEC links. GRASP sees the VRF just like it sees a real network, and doesn't even need to know which it's running over. The autonomic control plane assigns addresses in its own (ULA) prefix so doesn't depend on SLAAC; but if GRASP runs over a native network it has real LL multicast and RA and SLAAC.
[02:22:26] <DavidSchinazi> @Brian we are ahead of schedule on the agenda so if you'd like to discuss this in more detail at the mic we do have time
[02:25:30] <ran.atkinson> Brian, I really believe it would help everyone here understand Anima constraints if you went to the mic and explained what you wrote above and/or showed Slide 6 from the slide deck whose URL you posted to Jabber.
[02:25:51] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Most DNS records will send A and AAAA records with an SRV result as additional records so there isn't actually much overhead.
[02:28:57] <ran.atkinson> It is possible to use IPsec with multicast, and there even is a reasonable spec (RFC-2094 == GKMP) on multicast key management with multiple interoperable implementations.  So IPsec is not preventing the use of IP multicast.
[02:31:00] <ran.atkinson> Clarification:  RFC-2093 is GKMP spec while RFC-2094 is the GKMP Architecture document.
[02:31:03] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Stuart Cheshire at mic
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[02:34:09] <Mark Andrews> draft-andrews-dnsext-soa-discovery-01
[02:51:48] <pusateri> Anyone else having trouble with the audio quality? Stuart is hard to understand for me. I joined the audio session on the agenda page.
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[02:53:25] <Mark Andrews> the audio is fine for me.
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[02:54:22] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> hum
[02:55:00] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Mellon at mic
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[02:57:27] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Mellon at mic
[02:57:35] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon, sorry.
[02:59:13] <Andrew Sullivan> To me, the most important discussion here is not whether the WG is going to adopt this or that draft, but rather whether this is important work and that it is appropriately on-charter for the WG to work on it
[02:59:44] <Brian Carpenter> @Ran, sorry the conversation moved on but I agree that Toerless would have been wise to have some intro slides. But considering that his laptop broke and was in for repair yesterday, there materially wasn't enough time.
[02:59:50] <ran.atkinson> I am baffled by the concept that work on security/privacy for DNS-SD might be out of scope for the DNS-SD WG.
[03:00:19] <Andrew Sullivan> I'm not really prepared to discuss Stuart's draft because I have barely skimmed it, but it looks to me like it's an obviously important framework to work out
[03:00:23] <Andrew Sullivan> and I agree with Ran.
[03:00:38] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Aanchal Malhotra was at mic
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[03:01:22] <Andrew Sullivan> This morning at breakfast, however, someone suggested to me that I was a lawyer, and I had the depressing realisation that someone must think I'm one of those tedious protocol lawyers.
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[03:06:14] <pusateri> I think this is important and will work on it
[03:06:41] <Andrew Sullivan> My hand was also up (in case it doesn't get caught in minutes :) )
[03:06:49] <Mikael Abrahamsson> pusateri: What is your full name?
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[03:10:22] <pusateri> Thanks
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