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[03:31:44] <Ted_Hardie> howdy; is anyone in the chatroom also in the physical room?
[03:32:16] <oern> i'm not
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[03:35:56] <tom_creighton> i am
[03:36:00] <Ted_Hardie> Cool
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[03:36:20] <Ted_Hardie> There some of us who are not, so any jabbering would be helpful.
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[03:41:13] <anewton> :discussion on requirement A3. J. Rosenberg says it shouuld be clearer.
[03:41:22] <anewton> :Henning S. responding
[03:42:14] <anewton> :now on to R5
[03:42:33] <Ted_Hardie> whoo, a bigee
[03:43:33] <anewton> :henning defending it, saying that it isn't really caching
[03:46:58] <anewton> :much discussion.
[03:49:29] <Ted_Hardie> Still on r5?
[03:49:37] <anewton> yes
[03:50:05] <anewton> :rohan: no understanding of trade-offs
[03:50:21] <anewton> :henning: it is hard to prioritize. this is a soft requirement
[03:50:28] <Ted_Hardie> sr:1?
[03:50:53] <anewton> huh?
[03:51:06] <Ted_Hardie> new category: soft requirement: 1
[03:51:25] <anewton> it is unclear what he really means by that
[03:51:32] <anewton> :roger: put it in the BCP?
[03:51:35] <anewton> :henning: no
[03:51:55] <Ted_Hardie> Basically, I thought putting it in the implementation/deployment doc was sensible since
[03:52:03] <Ted_Hardie> Why is henning unwilling to do that way?
[03:52:46] <anewton> I'm not getting everything he is saying
[03:53:03] <Ted_Hardie> okay
[03:54:40] <anewton> :roger: put soft requirements in their own section
[03:55:02] <anewton> :andy: the problem isn't that it is soft, but that it is hard to understand when the requirement is met
[03:55:39] <anewton> :on to D5
[03:55:51] <anewton> :henning: reasonable order of magnitude is 10 seconds
[03:56:19] <anewton> :roger: baseline from the PSTN
[03:56:21] <anewton> :henning: yes
[03:56:35] <anewton> :j polk: I have talked to people who say 2 seconds
[03:56:45] <Ted_Hardie> So was there an r5 resolution? Sorry, I was at the mic in Lemonade
[03:56:48] <anewton> :roger: that is a bit of aggressive
[03:56:58] <anewton> If there was, I didn't get it
[03:58:21] <anewton> :big argument over X number of seconds being relevant
[03:58:40] <anewton> :t taylor: don't over engineer. excessively difficult requirements will lead to over engineering
[03:59:27] <anewton> :j polk: this is a concrete goal we can understand
[04:00:43] <anewton> :rohan: this isn't a requirement, it is a goal
[04:01:13] <anewton> :requirements discussion over
[04:03:30] <anewton> :j polk: do not renumber requirements yet because list discussion threads are still dependent on them
[04:05:04] <anewton> :moving on to security threats doc
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[04:07:25] <james> hmm
[04:07:38] <Ted_Hardie> yes, james?
[04:07:46] <Ted_Hardie> What are you humming on?
[04:07:58] <james> sorry, just testing
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[04:26:21] <amarine> wow, guess there aren't any security threats
[04:26:25] <amarine> :)
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