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[09:21:44] <jeffpc> (urgh, all my browsers are hating meetecho's video stream...)
[09:23:27] <jeffpc> speaking of blue sheets, where is the online one for audio-only listeners?
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[09:27:56] <jeffpc> ok
[09:28:16] <jeffpc> no problem
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[09:28:59] <healthyao2000> thanks for your understanding. there seems to have no  online one for audio-only listeners
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[09:30:25] <healthyao2000> the meeting starts now
[09:30:27] <Stephan Bosch> good morning
[09:30:47] <healthyao2000> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-extra-chair-slides-00
[09:31:13] <healthyao2000> agenda bashing
[09:32:57] <healthyao2000> AD is speaking
[09:33:19] <Stephan Bosch> I have at least one draft incoming still, once my others are in last call.
[09:34:26] <healthyao2000> ken murchison is in video
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[09:35:29] <healthyao2000> barry is speaking
[09:36:46] <healthyao2000> alexey is speaking, promising to implement it in its server
[09:37:17] <healthyao2000> talking about list-myrights draft
[09:39:00] <healthyao2000> Bron Gondwana suggests the WG last call to this document
[09:39:37] <healthyao2000> chair  asks who will implement it
[09:39:46] <healthyao2000> a few hands raised
[09:40:01] <healthyao2000> now move to sieve-fcc draft
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[09:41:44] <healthyao2000> alexey is speaking
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[09:48:29] <healthyao2000> now move to 64 bit draft
[09:48:39] <healthyao2000> Alexey is speaking
[09:49:09] <healthyao2000> Chris Newman is speaking
[09:53:01] <jeffpc> dovecot supports 64-bit internally
[09:53:15] <Sean Leonard> Mic: I don't think 64-bit should be parked. Reason is
[09:53:22] <Stephan Bosch> jeff already did
[09:53:28] <Stephan Bosch> I myself am not sure
[09:53:38] <Sean Leonard> because if the implementation tail is long, at least by having this option out there,
[09:53:48] <Sean Leonard> it gives developers time to prepare
[09:54:51] <Stephan Bosch> I don't know. jeff might
[09:55:22] <Stephan Bosch> in most code I've seen it's uoff_t, which should be ok
[09:55:30] <jeffpc> in dovecot: uids are 32bit, but message sizes are 64bit
[09:56:05] <jeffpc> obviously we don't send 64bit sizes over IMAP
[09:59:08] <healthyao2000> now is status-size draft
[09:59:37] <jeffpc> (correction: it looks like we return the 64bit size for RFC822.SIZE)
[10:04:15] <healthyao2000> alexey suggests a WG last call
[10:04:41] <healthyao2000> now move to save date draft
[10:12:02] <healthyao2000> barry is speaking
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[10:12:42] <healthyao2000> now move to sieve-special-use draft
[10:14:59] <healthyao2000> Barry talks about specialuse-important
[10:18:07] <healthyao2000> now move to uniqueid draft
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[10:21:46] <Stephan Bosch> rfc 3501 restricts it to a number even, it seems
[10:22:11] <Stephan Bosch> status-att SP number
[10:23:06] <jeffpc> yep, sane
[10:27:20] <jeffpc> no objection
[10:27:29] <Stephan Bosch> no objection
[10:27:58] <healthyao2000> now move to https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-extra-imap4rev2-00
[10:28:18] <Stephan Bosch> read IMAP4rev2 long ago.. wonder what -- if anything -- changed.
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[10:29:55] <healthyao2000> alexey is talking about his draft
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[10:36:35] <Kurt Andersen> FYI for anyone remote who may not have heard, we are intentionally continuing into the 30m break before calext to discuss the cleanup proposal.
[10:37:41] <Stephan Bosch> I agree with Alexey
[10:37:47] <jeffpc> yeah, make it clean
[10:37:56] <Sean Leonard> I agree with making it clean
[10:38:21] <Sean Leonard> backwards-compatibility also deserves a nod. Not fully aware of all of the implementation headaches to declare a winner, though.
[10:39:21] <Sean Leonard> Mic: I definitely think that BINARY body encoding [RFC3516] should be included in IMAP4rev2. I also want to take the opportunity to have the ABNF checked and (if necessary) corrected. Has the ABNF in this draft been given much formal analysis yet?
[10:41:12] <jeffpc> that was about utf8
[10:41:49] <healthyao2000> Sean Leondard is in video
[10:42:33] <Sean Leonard> <-- Leonard :) thanks
[10:45:56] <Stephan Bosch> is there a more recent version than the nov 2017 draft-06?
[10:46:17] <Sean Leonard> stephan - there is draft-07 I believe
[10:47:17] <jeffpc> FWIW, zfs has a config knob
[10:47:18] <Stephan Bosch> oh weird, it wasn't listen
[10:47:27] <jeffpc> it's a pile of bugs & headaches
[10:49:03] <jeffpc> zfs supports: form C, D, KC, KD
[10:49:08] <Sean Leonard> I agree it's interesting (return UID immediately)
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[10:52:06] <Sean Leonard> +1 to barry's comment about EAI incorporation
[10:52:41] <Stephan Bosch> no objection here
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[10:53:58] <Ken Murchison> +1 to UNAUTHENTICATE
[10:54:16] <Ned Freed> Also applies to SMTP, do we want to do that?
[10:54:23] <healthyao2000> suggest to call for adoption for this draft-melnikov-imap4rev2.  no objection in the room
[10:55:00] <Stephan Bosch> BTW, ManageSieve already has UNAUTHENTICATE
[10:55:12] <Stephan Bosch> we don't implement it (yet) though
[10:55:53] <Ned Freed> FWIW, we implement UNAUTHENTICATE in both SMTP and managesieve.
[10:56:25] <Sean Leonard> Okay, I'm ok with that
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