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[14:53:58] <resnick> Your dutiful jabber scribe is here and prepared for action.
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[14:56:41] <Ned Freed> Is anyone else in the room?
[14:56:56] <jeffpc> I'm here
[14:56:59] <jeffpc> well, online
[14:57:02] <jeffpc> not in Montreal
[14:57:12] <resnick> And there are several of us here in Montreal. Waiting to get started.
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[14:58:05] <resnick> Bron is here. Will begin soon.
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[15:00:25] <resnick> I am on a rather poor jabber client, so please prefix your comments you want relayed with “Mic: <name>”, since I often can’t see the names of people who are on Meetecho.
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[15:02:21] <Ned Freed> Coding it now...
[15:02:42] <healthyao2000> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-extra-chair-slides-00
[15:03:03] <resnick> Ken says he’ll add the implementation section.
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[15:07:09] <jeffpc> MIC: jeff sipek: why not use something like the uidvalidity==0 "hack"?
[15:07:27] <jeffpc> IOW, if it is special value, client can't rely on it
[15:08:01] <jeffpc> that way, an implementation can have per-mail id, but not a persistent per-mailbox id
[15:08:15] <jeffpc> resnick: ^
[15:09:22] <jeffpc> fair enough
[15:09:38] <healthyao2000> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-extra-imap4rev2-00
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[15:10:15] <resnick> (Thanks for the URLs Yao)
[15:16:27] <Ned Freed> This is NOT a hill I have any interesting in climbing, let alone dying on.
[15:16:55] <resnick> I presume I don’t need to relay that to the mic. :-)
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[15:25:37] <Michael Slusarz> can anybody hear me?
[15:25:42] <brong> no
[15:25:42] <healthyao2000> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-extra-snippet-00
[15:25:44] <resnick> Nope.
[15:26:03] <Meetecho> Can't hear/see Michael in meetecho either
[15:26:08] <Meetecho> Can you try getting in queue again?
[15:27:05] <resnick> Otherwise we can simply jabber relay if you have things to add to Bron’s attempt to deliver them.
[15:27:05] <Michael Slusarz> not giving me option to add to queue anymore :(
[15:27:19] <resnick> Ah!
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[15:28:26] <resnick> Lost you there.
[15:29:57] <resnick> We can hear you again.
[15:30:24] <healthyao2000> many favor for adoption of draft-slusarz-imap-fetch-snippet
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[15:34:34] <healthyao2000> will move to the mailling list for further discussion
[15:34:45] <Michael Slusarz> Sorry for dropping. Probably PEBKAC
[15:34:59] <healthyao2000> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-extra-client-id-00
[15:35:22] <brong> Michael: all good - thanks for remote presenting!
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[15:38:40] <Ned Freed> This sounds awfully similar to web sites that restrict me to a particular set of browsers
[15:39:11] <Ned Freed> Since I use Seamonkey I tend to be left in the lurch.
[15:40:21] <jeffpc> this reminds me of client x509 certs
[15:40:52] <Ned Freed> Mic: There's a big difference between asking for additional verification when switching clients and restricting users to a subset of clients.
[15:41:01] <Ned Freed> The first I can live with, the second... not so much.
[15:41:30] <resnick> (Name?)
[15:41:42] <jeffpc> that was Ned
[15:41:49] <resnick> wilco
[15:42:01] <Spamvictim> The idea is that the client makes something like a UUID and presents it whenever you log in
[15:42:12] <Spamvictim> so the server can tell whether it's a client it's seen before
[15:42:26] <Spamvictim> seems mostly harmless if implemented sensibly
[15:43:20] <Ned Freed> It's a cookie, more or less.
[15:47:08] <Spamvictim> right, but generated by the client, not the server
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[15:49:34] <resnick> If this goes anywhere, we’ve definitely got to get them off of using “cid”, which is “content-id” to me.
[15:49:52] <Ned Freed> Pete: Yeah.
[15:50:04] <Ned Freed> It's not just an IMAP extension. It has to at least cover SUBMIT as well.
[15:50:38] <Ned Freed> Mic: What about SUBMIt?
[15:50:55] <Ned Freed> And how does this interact with JMAP?
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[15:51:53] <brong> it doesn't - but yes, SUBMIT isn't within scope here, and it would need to be - there's a draft for that too
[15:52:03] <brong> and not a good group to take that to
[15:52:10] <kmurchison> I agree with Pete on "cid"
[15:57:38] <Ned Freed> I also agree with Pete on cid, but its a minor point.
[15:58:20] <Ned Freed> Nicely put Pete.
[15:58:54] <Ned Freed> Well, the question to Alexey is whether or not we can have a discussion in EXTRA about something that's for both IMAP and SUBMIT and possibly POP.
[16:00:00] <Ned Freed> I think this is an important thing to do so it doesn't get done badly. I'm indifferent as to where it gets done.
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[16:01:02] <resnick> Agreed Ned.
[16:01:21] <Stephan Bosch> oops. messed up my agenda time zones
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