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[12:44:48] <mrichardson> hi.
[12:45:09] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Anyone in the jabber not in Karlin 1?
[12:45:18] <dthaler> this is the Flying Spaghetti Monster BOF
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[12:45:52] <resnick> Stephane's Slides
[12:46:06] <resnick> [Agenda]
[12:47:25] <resnick> draft-bortzmeyer-language-state-machines-01
[12:47:39] <resnick> Mailing list: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cosmogol/current/maillist.html
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[12:47:58] <dthaler> slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/slides/fsm-0.pdf
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[12:49:27] <resnick> Having short term memory issues: The name of the scribe again?
[12:49:36] <resnick> Blake?
[12:49:52] <dthaler> y
[12:50:13] <mrichardson> is the mailing list on gmane.org yet?
[12:50:23] <frank> yes
[12:50:45] <mrichardson> ./me MontyBurns Excellent.
[12:50:50] <dthaler> (Steven Blake)
[12:51:34] <mrichardson> gmane.ietf.fsm doesn't seem to exist.
[12:51:43] <frank> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.cosmogol
[12:51:48] <resnick> thx dave
[12:57:26] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> 600 page "hello world"
[12:57:28] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> scaaaary
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[12:58:48] <mrichardson> I guess if the group proceeds that having the WG mailing list be the name of one of the proposed solutions isn't a great thing.
[12:59:05] <mrichardson> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-scxml-20070221/
[12:59:13] <mrichardson> news://nntp.gmane.org:119/20070222145213.GA3622@nic.fr
[12:59:25] <mrichardson> (a voice in favour of SCXML)
[12:59:36] <mrichardson> ah, that's from Stephane :-)
[13:00:42] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> The original bof proposal was for a BoF on cosmogol; the review of the proposal asked that it be generalized. If chartered, a new list is the easy thing.
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[13:09:23] <mrichardson> english.... no code generation possible.
[13:12:08] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> ordinary graduate students
[13:12:13] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> That's an interesting bar to state
[13:17:07] <mrichardson> three times I try to buy ITU specifications in Canada.
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[13:17:49] <mrichardson> so far, I've been unsuccessful at obtaining ITU documents. They simply don't exist as far as I'm concerned.
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[13:18:24] <harald> mrichardson: aren't they all free now?
[13:18:30] <mrichardson> are they?
[13:18:37] <mrichardson> when is "now"?
[13:20:06] <bewo> Ive heard those rumours about free itu docs, too
[13:20:47] <harald> mrichardson: http://www.itu.int/publications/default.aspx
[13:20:59] <mrichardson> good thank you.
[13:21:02] <mrichardson> hurray!
[13:21:21] <harald> PDF versions only - you can get Micro$oft versions if you pay for them ...
[13:21:30] <mrichardson> why would I want to pay for virii?
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[13:31:48] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> For scxml, the usual W3C IPR rules apply.
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[13:34:52] <harald> itu-t's IPR language sounds suspiciously like the IETF's (I just downloaded Z.100 and checked)
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[13:38:04] <mrichardson> so, how would an XML spec embed into xml2rfc...
[13:38:32] <harald> &lt;badly&gt;
[13:38:32] <mrichardson> obviously, it can go in as XML, and be processed, but one would presumebly want the XML to be copied to the output literally, actually.
[13:38:58] <harald> or <[[CDATA badly ]]>?
[13:40:19] <bewo> Imho, Xml is a bad idea for a prog language
[13:40:39] <bewo> Much too verbose
[13:41:18] <harald> not visually distinctive enough, is my opinion.
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[13:44:04] <bewo> <Number>1</number><operand>+</operand><number>1</number><operand>=<number>2</number>
[13:44:26] <bewo> Or 1+1=2?
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