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[14:04:49] <simon.leinen> All presentations are already up on the proceedings site
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[14:05:46] <simon.leinen> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06mar/slides/
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[14:12:24] <david> Do people talk in the mike ? The audio is barely audible.
[14:13:17] <scottleibrand> dave's talking right now, can you hear him?
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[14:13:54] <david> I can hear him but it is very faint
[14:13:55] <feldman> i can hear him faintly with my volume turned all the way up
[14:14:13] <david> Did he talk in the mike ?
[14:14:17] <scottleibrand> ya directly in
[14:14:34] <david> OK, I am going to check with Joel then
[14:14:45] <Louie-EQIX> how about the presenter now?
[14:14:53] <david> This is a tiny but better
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[14:15:23] <scottleibrand> the volume on the room speakers is fine, so it must be a problem interfacing to the stream
[14:15:54] <david> thanks, I will talk to Joel
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[14:17:56] <dmm> can you hear vince now?
[14:18:12] <feldman> barely
[14:18:24] <dmm> sigh, ok
[14:19:24] <david> I have opened a ticket with the NOC (Joel)
[14:19:43] <dmm> thnx
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[14:21:53] <dmm> "Addressing can follow topology or topology can follow addressing. Choose one" -- Rekhter's Law
[14:23:27] <dmm> Yakov doesn't really like this being called Rekhter's Law (I made that part up)
[14:25:06] <dmm> end to end principle -- http://users.exis.net/~jnc/tech/end_end.html
[14:25:28] <dmm> identifiers and locators -- http://users.exis.net/~jnc/tech/endpoints.txt
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[14:29:51] <dmm> BORG == Blob Of Routing Goop
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[14:55:26] <dmm> can folks hear this?
[14:55:53] <feldman> yes, though still faint
[14:56:11] <david> I can hear it, but I have added an external speaker with amplifier
[14:56:28] <david> the laptop speaker alone is doesn't cut it
[14:56:33] <dmm> the analysis document that Merika (sp?) referenced was well, controversial
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[14:59:38] <becarpenter> esd analysis URL: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ipngwg-esd-analysis-05.txt
[14:59:55] <david> I personally believe that shim6 and 8+8 are fundamentally very similar, the differences are more on how you implement it and in which network element.
[15:00:25] <becarpenter> They are isomorphic viewed at sufficient distance.
[15:01:14] <david> Exactly and they run into similar issues like DNS circularity
[15:01:38] <becarpenter> But I have no idea how the ID space would be administered for 8+8 - seems like ICANN on steroids
[15:02:21] <becarpenter> where is the DNS circularity for shim6?
[15:04:01] <david> the problem is solved, but I think it could have been dealt with in a similar way in 8+8
[15:04:07] <ggm> lets go with 128 bit port numbers src, dst.
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[15:06:54] <dbh2> we're at slide 11.
[15:07:07] <david> I lost all audio
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[15:07:26] <feldman> me too, I don't seem able to connect to the server
[15:08:35] <dbh2> slide 12
[15:08:45] <dbh2> whoops. slide 13
[15:08:54] <dbh2> slide 14
[15:09:14] <dbh2> slide 16
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[15:10:15] <dbh2> slide 20
[15:10:22] <dmm> smb's comments from the architecture-discuss list (that Vince referred to):
[15:10:24] <dmm> What Tony said, especially about what happened to 8+8. A lot of the grounds for rejection were security, but there wasn't a single security person on the committee. In my opinion, most of the arguments just didn't hold up. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
[15:10:51] <david> Joel is going to fix the audio soon
[15:12:15] <dbh2> Q&A
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[15:13:29] <dbh2> dave ward: apparently VPN routes not mincluded in presentation.
[15:15:10] <dbh2> slides: BGP Updates
[15:16:45] <dbh2> note slide 3 might reflect /8 usage
[15:18:33] <dbh2> it appears specifics are deliberate
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[15:19:35] <dbh2> network is geetting dense rather tahn bigger.
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[15:20:31] <dbh2> slide: advertised address span
[15:21:06] <dbh2> slide: total adv AS #s
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[15:44:06] <david> Please use the Mike!
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