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[00:04:34] <drlopez> Good morning, this is your jabber scribe for whatever you want to bring me to the meeting room...
[00:08:23] <adrianfarrel> Thanks Dr. L
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[00:24:02] <Kathleen Moriarty> Security for me
[00:25:05] <adrianfarrel> Ed Lopez
[00:25:59] <adrianfarrel> Suggests "new forms of security" will emerge from this work. That is not a missing piece of the problem statement, but may be an important outcome
[00:26:21] <adrianfarrel> Previsouly Adrian asked
[00:27:15] <adrianfarrel> Just for interest, can I take a show of hands. Who conisders themselves;
- a security guy (50%)
- an ops or yang person (10%)
- a network guy (37.2%)
[00:29:26] <adrianfarrel> Sue asked whether to include Ed's idea in the docs
Adrian replied that having a section on "outcomes and output" would be helpful
[00:29:45] <adrianfarrel> Luyuan speaks
[00:31:02] <adrianfarrel> Roland from Arbor speaks
[00:31:46] <adrianfarrel> John Strassner speaks
[00:32:10] <adrianfarrel> Luyuan asked about data exchange as a function
[00:32:23] <adrianfarrel> John asks about state determination/verification
[00:32:58] <adrianfarrel> daneil from e///
[00:33:05] <adrianfarrel> s/daniel/
[00:33:52] <adrianfarrel> Diego Lopez speaks
[00:34:12] <adrianfarrel> asks about combination of policies
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[00:35:38] <adrianfarrel> John and daniel discussed "does the policy installed match the policy I intended to install"
[Need to be careful with our use of the term "Intent"]
[00:39:43] <adrianfarrel> Adrian reminds people about SUPA and notes we will have to work with them and draw lines between our work
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[00:41:04] <Kathleen Moriarty> Organizations outsource their ERP systems today, but more of hosted services, not a public cloud
[00:42:12] <adrianfarrel> @kathleen: if you want diego to channel, please say
[00:44:02] <adrianfarrel> Luyuan sez Virtual Security Functions vs cloud provider: I hope we cover both including cloud-based security service. I.e. security for cloud and security provided by cloud
[00:44:42] <adrianfarrel> Ed sez: difference between NSF and vNSF is either "nothing" or is "ownership of control"
[00:48:30] <Kathleen Moriarty> Don't worry, I will put mic: in front of it.  I don't think that comment was worth interrupting, but can talk to Sue about it and the types of sensitive data going into hosted environments connected to the Internet (not public clouds).
[00:48:42] <adrianfarrel> thnx
[00:48:49] <Kathleen Moriarty> thank you
[00:50:22] <drlopez> Indeed, Kathleen. The movement of sensitive data and their potential exposure is a crucial issues. This is one of the reasons why in the attestation draft we suggest we should think about a trusted channel (not only secure) between the user and the NSF environment
[00:50:42] <adrianfarrel> Dan Bogdanovic speaks: currenlty only have stateless filters
[00:51:37] <adrianfarrel> Jamal speaks: asks what are stateful filters for. Who installs the state?
[00:54:31] <adrianfarrel> linda: enforcement is in nsf, but expression is out
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[00:54:40] <adrianfarrel> ed: we need to sort out terminologu
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[00:56:50] <adrianfarrel> Ed volunteered to do a terminology document
[01:01:18] <Kathleen Moriarty> of course
[01:06:24] <adrianfarrel> Uri speaks
[01:07:07] <adrianfarrel> sez: physical or virtual affects how you chain functions
[01:19:53] <adrianfarrel> Eric from Cisco speaks
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[01:32:56] <Kathleen Moriarty> who is speaking?
[01:33:04] <drlopez> John Strassnet
[01:33:09] <drlopez> Strassner
[01:33:16] <Kathleen Moriarty> thanks
[01:33:24] <drlopez> And the presentation is made by Ed Lopez, Fortinet
[01:33:41] <Kathleen Moriarty> I can see Ed
[01:33:48] <Kathleen Moriarty> thanks
[01:33:49] <drlopez> Oh!
[01:34:19] <Kathleen Moriarty> :-)
[01:34:58] <drlopez> This modern technology will never stop surprising me...
[01:41:47] <adrianfarrel> Diego speaks
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[02:27:20] <drlopez> Just a remark for those of you here:
[02:28:17] <drlopez> The trusted channel would be a mechanism to avoid data tampering and stealth monitoring
[02:28:52] <drlopez> We are making some experiments with it and plan to report it in future versions of the draft
[02:30:23] <Kathleen Moriarty> Thanks Adrian & Linda!
[02:30:35] <drlopez> Be goode, you all!
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