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[12:58:52] <Randy Bush> ok, i will act as jabber relay. i will not be scribing into the channel, but will take questions from channel to the mic in the room. so you have to listen on the audio stream.
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[13:13:31] <Randy Bush> for the late comers: i will act as jabber relay.  i will not be scribing into the channel, but will take questions from channel to the mic in the room.  so you have to listen on the audio stream.
[13:14:21] <lochii> we have some amateur scribing going on here
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[14:10:15] <adrianfarrel> So many people and so little noise
[14:10:31] <Randy Bush> welcome to idr
[14:13:39] <lochii> :)
[14:14:35] <Randy Bush> @adrian: better now?
[14:37:23] <adrianfarrel> Yup, thanks. Now I have a good feeling for what is going on in IDR. Everyone is happy
[14:37:38] <Randy Bush> embellishment is fun
[14:38:11] <Randy Bush> notice no proposal simplifies anything or removes state
[14:38:54] <lochii> well, not on the agenda, but http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-sets-04 seems to satisfy this :)
[14:39:08] <Randy Bush> aha! yes. sorry.
[14:43:08] <Jeffrey Haas> RFC 1925, s2.12
[14:43:17] <Randy Bush> yep
[14:43:43] <Randy Bush> It's perfectly appropriate to be upset. I thought of it in a slightly
different way--like a space that we were exploring and, in the early days,
we figured out this consistent path through the space: IP, TCP, and so on.
What's been happening over the last few years is that the IETF is filling
the rest of the space with every alternative approach, not necessarily any
better. Every possible alternative is now being written down. And it's not
useful. -- Jon Postel
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[14:56:22] <lochii> is that 82 slides long?
[14:57:00] <Randy Bush> looks to be
[14:58:37] <Jeffrey Haas> I can't speak for the upcoming presentation, but I read the paper. It's worth the read.
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[15:11:52] <lochii> how does this scale?
[15:12:17] <Jeffrey Haas> if you go with the very simplistic version of this without some tweaks that I think might be handy, less state than rfd
[15:12:18] <lochii> in terms of keeping this MRAI state and ticking these per-prefix MRAI clocks
[15:12:59] <Jeffrey Haas> if you're doing mrai, somewhat similar state, but it may mean you need to make timers longer.
[15:13:19] <Jeffrey Haas> I think you can use some heuristics to avoid setting the times long for everything.
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