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[01:24:25] <Bashan Zuo> .
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[01:29:28] <Bashan Zuo> Youtube downtime
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[01:32:39] <David Lawrence> I'll sign up if you can run it to my house, Jared
[01:34:19] <Brian Dickson> How many subscribers do you need to be able to retire? :-)
[01:34:28] <David Lawrence> "If you had to do it over again, would you?"
[01:35:05] <Jeffrey Haas> What's your budget for dealing with outages and fiber repairs from idjits eating your fiber?
[01:39:25] <Geoff Huston> why do you think its viable for small scale marginally funded infrastructure operations to work? Surely if such small scale operations are viable then wouldn't large scale roll outs be more viable? What's broken in this infrastructure story? How can we fix this brokenness?
[01:39:39] <Erik Kline> What sorts of environmental concerns affect the fiber deployment?  (snow, water table seeping into pipes, ...)
[01:42:32] <Geoff Huston> My question is that if its viable for you then why isn't it viable for &lt;name major infrastructure operator&gt; Why does this work in the small scale but not in the large scale?
[01:43:17] <Geoff Huston> thanks!
[01:45:01] <Erik Kline> thx!
[01:45:07] <Brian Dickson> Have you run the numbers on incremental cost/effort to reach enough customers to be financially independent just using this?
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[01:46:34] <Warren Kumari_273> Have you had any legal issues from "incumbents"? I'd looked at doing something similar in my development, but my local incumbent started seeming fussy...
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[01:48:50] <Tony Li> Applause
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[01:56:13] <Jeffrey Haas> Jared, the ratio of announced / withdrawn, how do you count path changes?
[01:56:59] <Jared Mauch> i just count route announcements
[01:57:03] <Jared Mauch> and withdraws
[01:57:36] <Jeffrey Haas> you might want to look for as-path changes and try counting them as withdraws in some cases
[01:57:46] <Jared Mauch> well it's an announcement storm
[01:57:57] <Jared Mauch> which would show up in the announcement number(s)
[01:58:24] <Jeffrey Haas> I'll beat up on your machine later.  I have some expectations based on how this stuff looked in the old Arbor type analysis.
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[01:59:09] <Jared Mauch> sure..
[01:59:13] <Jared Mauch> http://nuc.nether.net:3000/
[01:59:26] <Jared Mauch> no HTTPS because i'm lazy and in theory nothing is secret :-)
[01:59:45] <Jordi Paillisse> Jared, your FTTH preso was amazing. I am wondering if you only offer Internet connectivity or other services, eg. regular phone? If so, may I ask how you do it?
[01:59:47] <Jeffrey Haas> letsencrypt is almost easy enough for someone as lazy as me.  but who needs to burn that cpu.
[02:00:37] <Brian Dickson> If you can become a telco, you can also become a CA :-)
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[02:01:02] <Jared Mauch> Jordi - No, i don't offer anything else but internet.  Keeps me from having to charge for many things
[02:01:12] <Jared Mauch> (eg: sales tax, local taxes, etc..)
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[02:01:58] <Jordi Paillisse> ok thx!
[02:03:50] <Erik Kline> audio sounds good; I can see you
[02:04:17] <Brian Dickson> For Warren, there may be many many CLECs that are basically bankrupt, where they may already have suitable telco designations or licenses... might be a way to circumvent regulatory burdens. Bonus if they are members of whatever cabals that the cableco is also a member of
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[02:05:14] <Jared Mauch> I could do the complex process, or it was only $1k to file to be a "CAP" - Competitive Access Provider in Michigan.
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[02:06:45] <Jeffrey Haas> Once upon a time in Michigan, the main issue was interconnect agreements for voice.  But staying out of voice likely simplifies everything.
[02:07:03] <Jared Mauch> Yes, to be a CLEC there's more regulatory barriers.
[02:09:47] <Jared Mauch> but I could have had the lawyer file for me to be a CLEC for $3k vs $1k, it was a choice on the menu
[02:13:58] <Geoff Huston> what _exactly_ is the signature signing over?
[02:14:40] <Geoff Huston> i.e. test? asn.1 encoding of the text?
[02:14:55] <Geoff Huston> including comment lines?
[02:15:22] <Mark Andrews> couldn't we change the signatures to just cover the relevant lines?
[02:15:23] <Erik Kline> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds
[02:16:16] <Mark Andrews> The lines that fall within the prefix of the signature
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[02:16:19] <Randy Bush> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsawg-finding-geofeeds
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[02:19:47] <Geoff Huston> I WAS WONDERING IF YOU USED https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-michaelson-rpki-rta-00 AS THE SIGNATURE TEMPLATE
[02:19:55] <Geoff Huston> sorry bout the caps lock!
[02:20:04] <Geoff Huston> thanks!
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[02:21:55] <Brian Dickson> Thanks everyone, looking forward to the reboot of reality
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[02:22:08] <nygren > It would be interesting to graph what fraction of IP space is covered by geofeed files…  (I'm sure it is small, but I'm sure it will grow over time)
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[02:22:21] <Erik Kline> oh, interesting idea
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[02:22:24] <nygren > Thank you, Randy and Jared!
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