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[10:55:55] <Meetecho> FYI to all presenters: please make sure you followed the instructions in this guide (especially if you're using MacOS Catalina) https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/Documentation-Meetecho-IETF.pdf
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[10:56:19] <Bob Moskowitz> Yes, good morning all.
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[11:02:00] <Meetecho> Ok there it is!
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[11:02:08] <Paul Wouters> still dont see or understand the queue?
[11:02:23] <Mohamed Boucadair> No
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[11:02:29] <Jessica Fitzgerald-McKay> I can see the slides
[11:02:38] <Lou Berger> looks fine though
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[11:05:12] <paulwouters> is anyone only here and not in meetecho ?
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[11:05:14] <Bob Moskowitz> Actually the chat in Meetecho is the jabber room.
[11:05:28] <Paul Wouters> oh yeah :) I see that now
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[11:05:48] <Bob Moskowitz> So I can post either way.
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[11:06:25] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Of course, if your external jabber client's display name is the same
as the name you have the datatracker give to Meetecho, then you will
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[11:06:46] <Lou Berger> I removed the space from my name to solve that issue ;-)
[11:06:47] <Benedict Wong> I can help with note taking
[11:06:47] <Timothy Carlin> I can help with note taking as well
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[11:08:49] <Paul Wouters> we are working on labeled ipsec implementation :)
[11:09:14] <Paul Wouters> yes we can
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[11:10:27] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> It looks like Tero is still sending audio.  I'm not sure whether the
occasional background noise is from Tero or Valery.
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[11:11:44] <kivinen> I should be muted on headset, so it should not send any audio now. Are you still hearing some noise?
[11:11:59] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I haven't heard any background in a while, no.
[11:12:13] <Alessandro Toppi> fyi chairs can mute participants mics in their UI
[11:12:23] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> ADs, too :)
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[11:13:11] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> to the chairs: it was I who pushed the button to approve Valery's
request to send video.
[11:13:56] <Paul Wouters> :)
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[11:19:25] <Dorothy Cooley> background noise now?
[11:19:47] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I think from Yoav, yes.
[11:20:19] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> A good long time to find where the hum tool is, for the first time
you're using it
[11:21:15] <Daniel Migault> anyone against ?
[11:22:02] <Bob Moskowitz> Should ask on the list for adoption.
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[11:23:03] <Paul Wouters> weird UI - you have to use another mic button to unaudio yourself
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[11:23:28] <chopps> Yeah that came up in the chairs testing session I think
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[11:23:43] <Meetecho> Paul Wouters: that's done on purpose, as many people prefer to send audio only and not video too, and there are scenarios where video-only is required too. As such we separated the controls
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[11:24:04] <Meetecho> Using one for both would have prevented those scenarios
[11:25:49] <Paul Wouters> it is just not very obvious that i should not clickc the icon next to the icon i clicked to undo myself from the queue.
[11:26:04] <Paul Wouters> s/not//
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[11:26:44] <Dorothy Cooley> either tero or yoav need to mute....
[11:27:11] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Yoav
[11:27:18] <Dorothy Cooley> that was it!
[11:27:21] <Dorothy Cooley> TY
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[11:31:26] <Paul Wouters> This is ben speaking although it does not show that anywhere for me
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[11:31:38] <LouBerger> Me too, thanks!
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[11:32:19] <Dorothy Cooley> He will be green in the participants list when he is speaking
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[11:32:32] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Ah, yes, sorry.  I should have said my name!
[11:32:36] <Dorothy Cooley> so much easier w/ a seperate jabber tool.
[11:32:37] <Paul Wouters> oh. but i dont see that list since i have the chat window visible
[11:32:44] <chopps> :)
[11:32:52] <Dorothy Cooley> I've been clicking back and forth.
[11:32:57] <chopps> Another complaint from the chairs session, being able to see both queue and chat :)
[11:32:57] <LouBerger> I have the list, but chairs and ad are green too
[11:32:58] <Dorothy Cooley> ghetto, but it works
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[11:34:13] <LouBerger> I don't see any indication.  Had same complaint from somone in a WG I ran yesterday. (We didn't do a good job with identifying speakers either assuming the tool would do it for us ...)
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[11:34:36] <dfedyk> Brining up the Chat in a sepaeate jabber window allows seeing both the presneters name and the chat
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[11:34:41] <Bob Moskowitz> The chat option in Meetecho is not so useful.  This is why I still use a jabber client.  I also have the minutes open in its own window to follow it.
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[11:35:10] <Paul Wouters> when using a laptop with just one screen, it is not ideal to have the jabber chat cover part of your screen
[11:35:27] <LouBerger> I cover the videos...
[11:35:41] <Dorothy Cooley> yeah, I have two laptops, but only one has pidgen.  whoops...
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[11:36:05] <Paul Wouters> good point. although why not run your DoH/DoT on the same vpn DNS server anyway :P
[11:36:06] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Having an external monitor is a big help for this, yes.
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[11:36:28] <Bob Moskowitz> I tried duo monitors yesterday and it kind of worked.  But I have config problems and it was hard switching back to mirrored so I am not running duo today.
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[11:36:53] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Tiru now
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[11:37:54] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I'm not sure if Tiru lost audio before he was done with his point
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[11:39:51] <chopps> At least yesterday the meetecho sessions ended immediately on the dot.
[11:39:58] <Paul Wouters> would be tricky to do here, the VPN could override the pubkey of say 8.8.8.8
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[11:40:35] <chopps> So, being on the end of the agenda is scary to me. :)
[11:40:53] <Meetecho> We DON'T close sessions automatically
[11:40:55] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> The session is supposed to be torn down 5 minutes after scheduled end
time.  SPRING yesterday was a fluke.
[11:40:59] <Paul Wouters> they promised 5 minutes extra today
[11:41:01] <Meetecho> It only happened for a couple of sessions in the morning slot
[11:41:06] <Meetecho> It was fixed immediately after that
[11:41:24] <chopps> well we're 6 minutes passed on this slot
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[11:41:49] <chopps> still scared :)
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[11:44:14] <Paul Wouters> that problem was fixed though
[11:44:29] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> chopps: at least you can choose whether you want to put the YANG or
non-YANG first?
[11:44:31] <Paul Wouters> (only do PSS when doing RFC 7429
[11:44:39] <Paul Wouters> 7427? whatever it was :)
[11:45:22] <chopps> benjamin: yeah, I'll keep the order as the first is WG doc, the second though may requires some discussion too :)
[11:46:34] <chopps> although YANG may cause people to nod off, I don't know, hope not though. :)
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[11:48:32] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> There is sometimes a perception among the IESG that YANG requires less
effort to review.  I'm not sure I agree; I fairly regularly find
errors or inconsistencies in the YANG contents we see.
[11:49:25] <kivinen> I insert myself in queue after Paul...
[11:50:40] <chopps> Benjamin: that's a whole other can of worms :)
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[11:51:14] <Paul Wouters> nods head at Tero
[11:52:48] <Paul Wouters> scott: we did not hear you
[11:53:12] <Scott Fluhrer> The point I was trying to make is that the PPK trick is trying to solve a different problem, hence it's not obvious whether it should be integrated
[11:53:46] <Paul Wouters> it is still about choosing the right AUTH method?  with or without PPK ?
[11:54:13] <Dorothy Cooley> but the PPK wasn't for auth?
[11:54:29] <Dorothy Cooley> unless I'm thinking about a differnt issue?
[11:54:34] <Scott Fluhrer> That is correct; PPK isn't really for authentication; instead, it is to provide postquantum
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[11:56:05] <Yoav Nir> I know some firewalls that would be very upset with this packet format
[11:56:11] <Paul Wouters> well, we did explicitely make the AUTH payload different. It does not really matter whether you call that "same" or "different" AUTH method.
[11:56:14] <Yoav Nir> It looks like every packet is a retransmission
[11:56:49] <Paul Wouters> yoav: so flip sender/window IDs with seq num ?
[11:56:50] <chopps> Yes, there's a few changes I'd make with the proposed ESP :)
[11:57:08] <Scott Fluhrer> Decryption would appear to have problems.  You still run into synchonization issues (if the sender hammers the same sender id/window id
[11:57:09] <chopps> Paul: flip and then maybe even put the higher order after the lower order
[11:57:12] <Yoav Nir> That's probably OK
[11:57:42] <chopps> (seq num that is) so then it's exactly the same
[11:57:43] <Scott Fluhrer> In addition, each sending id/window id has its own replay window, does that mean that the receiver needs to track 4 billion antireplay windows?
[11:57:44] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Yeah, I was just about to say "higher order after lower order", which
is super-janky but may still be worth it
[11:57:50] <chopps> I lost the audio ...
[11:58:00] <Scott Fluhrer> Also, it wouldn't be secure with CBC
[11:58:01] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> audio still okay here
[11:58:11] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> There's a refresh button in the bottom right?
[11:58:14] <Paul Wouters> it drops all non-aead :)
[11:58:21] <chopps> all fixed
[11:58:21] <Paul Wouters> which we should do anyway :)
[11:58:31] <chopps> heh
[11:58:46] <Scott Fluhrer> You also lose the multitarget protection with GCM by not including the 32 bits of key-derived none
[11:58:49] <Scott Fluhrer> nonce
[11:58:56] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Paul: luckily, Martin Rex and Peter Gutmann are both not in the
audience :)
[11:59:15] <Paul Wouters> ben :)
[11:59:47] <chopps> Scott: the sender id is really a mcast thing
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[12:00:04] <chopps> so it reduces to 64k
[12:00:14] <Scott Fluhrer> Does the receiver need to track a antireplay window for each multicast sender?
[12:00:37] <Yoav Nir> @Scott: yes
[12:01:05] <Scott Fluhrer> I can't see how that can work on a decryptor that can't dynamically allocate memory
[12:01:24] <Bob Moskowitz> Would need a change to robust header compression so that smaller seq# for constrained links?
[12:01:43] <Paul Wouters> prob best to take it to the list.
[12:01:51] <Paul Wouters> there is interest in fixing things for multi-cpu
[12:02:10] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> We're also in theory at time for this slot based on the fixed agenda
(though not by the allocated time for this slot)
[12:02:15] <Scott Fluhrer> I agree; however, I don't see that this is the solution
[12:02:24] <Bob Moskowitz> Yes.  ESP is bigger than fixes to IKE.
[12:02:42] <chopps> +1 virtual intermin is a great idea I think
[12:02:46] <Bob Moskowitz> I do like some aspects of this.
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[12:04:08] <Valery Smyslov> This proposal lacks enough generality to replace ESP - it considers very small set of ciphers and use cases
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[12:04:31] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> It seems vaguely analogous to DCTCP vs. generic TCP
[12:04:39] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> But the analogy is not perfect, IIUC
[12:04:41] <Paul Wouters> and we might as well throw in a discussion of implicit IV if we are updating ESP to v4 :)
[12:04:44] <Yoav Nir> @Valery: doesn't it use all the ciphers that people care about now?
[12:05:02] <Yoav Nir> Consider that TLS 1.3 has about two ciphers (plus another 1 for IOT)
[12:05:12] <Yoav Nir> (there's always something else for IOT)
[12:05:21] <Valery Smyslov> In addition, many things it aims for can be achieved using ESP.
[12:05:24] <Paul Wouters> yoav: I agree :)
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[12:05:41] <Paul Wouters> also agree with valery :)
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[12:05:42] <Valery Smyslov> Even replay protection for multicast (with some limitations)
[12:06:19] <Bob Moskowitz> And my IoT are buzzing around your heads.
[12:06:34] <Steffen Klassert> Get rid of the trailer would be nice from implementation point of view
[12:06:35] <Valery Smyslov> @yoav, No, it doesn't work with CBC at all. Moreover, if IV is somehow structured, it won't work too
[12:07:27] <Yoav Nir> TLS 1.3 doesn't support CBC either.
[12:07:28] <Paul Wouters> can we add chaining algorithms too. so valery and I can chain a few nation states ciphers to protect against all nation states :)
[12:07:40] <Michael Rossberg> @valery you could hash the seq. number/do some preporcessing
[12:07:41] <Yoav Nir> And CBC is slower at least with Intel processors
[12:07:41] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> TLS 1.3 explicitly requires AEAD ciphers only, yes.
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[12:08:28] <Valery Smyslov> I understand, but what if tomorrow a new cipher mode appear that is superior to GCM and will require some special form of IV?
[12:08:36] <Bob Moskowitz> But what if no AAD to protect?  That was his statement of not needing that last step?
[12:08:36] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I hear that AMD is going to beat out Intel for processors, though
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[12:09:17] <Bob Moskowitz> Yes, what will Lightweight Cryto be selected and how would it work with this.
[12:09:18] <Yoav Nir> I've been hearing that for 20 years. A little louder in the last year or so
[12:09:31] <Valery Smyslov> @michael As far as I understand modern crypto requites IV for CBC to be true random
[12:09:44] <Michael Rossberg> @kaduk CBC is slow everywhere, because you cannot do pipelineing
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[12:11:15] <Valery Smyslov> CBC itself is not a problem, the problem is that this design requires IV to be in a particular form. If cipher requires other form, it'll fail
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[12:11:48] <Bob Moskowitz> I was told that NIST has delayed round 3 of lightweight crypto until Dec.  So we would have to look at this for all round 2 participants.
[12:11:51] <Michael Rossberg> But we could fallback to an explicit IV/AAD
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[12:13:56] <Paul Wouters> +1 a while ago
[12:14:13] <LouBerger> +1
[12:14:13] <Valery Smyslov> I read, but not the latest versionm
[12:14:14] <Yoav Nir> +1 superficially just before 106
[12:14:20] <dfedyk> I've read the draft
[12:14:39] <LouBerger> don't see protocol number as a big deal
[12:15:24] <Paul Wouters> re-use AH?   /hides in corner
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[12:16:10] <Bob Moskowitz> I suspect in some corners (of the world) AH is still used.
[12:16:20] <Paul Wouters> bob: exactly :)
[12:16:28] <LouBerger> I could give up proto5 ;-)
[12:16:38] <LouBerger> give up = deprecate
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[12:16:52] <LouBerger> transport review is a good idea
[12:17:01] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> +1 ask for transport review
[12:19:28] <kivinen> Btw, I find it bit funny to complain that this wastes bandwidth, when the idea is to fill the bandwidth with data to get traffic flow confidentiality. Only case where this would waste bandwidth is when the pipe is completely full and we do not need any padding packets.
[12:20:15] <Paul Wouters> doesn't anyone think of the MTU children? :)
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[12:20:31] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I'm a bit confused by the "user provided config" and "operational
(actual) config".  Is this NMDA compatible?
[12:21:22] <LouBerger> from doc:
   The YANG data model in this document conforms to the Network    Management Datastore Architecture defined in [RFC8342 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8342>].
[12:21:59] <LouBerger> but I haven't looked if the base model is too...
[12:25:49] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> draft-ietf-i2nsf-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-08 does not include the
keyword "NMDA", and cites 6241 for definitions of specific datastores.
Which seems to indicate that the i2nsf thing needs to be updated to
be NMDA compatible.
[12:27:09] <LouBerger> I'm looking at it now, looks okay with a quick read, but I note that it hasn't gone through a recent YANG Dr review which is certainly needed
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[12:28:37] <LouBerger> the previous review noted that the draft doesn't follow rfc8407 which would fix the nmda reference
[12:33:13] <LouBerger> note the module names imply it works for all of ipsec
[12:33:53] <LouBerger> +1 on one yang model
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[12:36:40] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Lou is a little quiet for me.  Not sure if it's just me or not...
[12:36:55] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> better now!
[12:37:14] <Paul Wouters> 3 minutes for AOB :P
[12:37:39] <LouBerger> @ben sorry...
[12:38:03] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I have no data to rule out it being a local problem on my end :)
[12:41:39] <chopps> +1 ESP :)
[12:41:45] <Paul Wouters> yes interim meeting for esp would be good
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[12:42:10] <Bob Moskowitz> +1 ESP
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[12:42:14] <LouBerger> bye...
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[12:42:38] <Yoav Nir> Thank you all
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