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[20:17:09] <Ken Murchison> working fine barry
[20:17:30] <S M> Barry, audio/video is fine
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[20:22:52] <dkg> i'm willing to be jabber scribe if there isn't one already
[20:23:05] <resnick> There isn’t one.
[20:23:14] <dkg> ok
[20:25:10] <dkg> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-jmap-chair-slides-00.pdf
[20:25:12] <dkg> page 6 right now
[20:25:17] <Barry Leiba> Please prefix your comment with "MIC" if you want it mic'ed.
[20:26:18] <dkg> dave crocker at the mic
[20:27:04] <dkg> neil jenkins at the mic
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[20:28:45] <dkg> alexei melnikov on the mic
[20:29:37] <dkg> slide 7
[20:29:57] <dkg> now on https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-jmap-mail-clients-without-standard-imap-00.pdf
[20:30:46] <dkg> page 7
[20:31:23] <dkg> page 8
[20:32:17] <dkg> back to https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-jmap-chair-slides-00.pdf , back to page 7
[20:32:48] <dkg> page 8
[20:34:11] <dkg> kieth moore at the mic
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[20:37:09] <dkg> alexey melnikov on the mic
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[20:42:19] <dkg> keith moore on mic
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[20:44:30] <dkg> slide 10
[20:45:02] <dkg> slide 11
[20:45:25] <dkg> neil jenkins at mic
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[20:46:43] <dkg> neil jenkins at mic
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[20:48:45] <dkg> Joe Hildebrand on mic
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[20:50:06] <hildjj> here is an example of the XMPP approach: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0387.html
[20:52:05] <dkg> joe hildebrand on mic
[20:52:45] <dkg> neil jenkins at mic
[20:53:36] <hildjj> another example: http://caniuse.com/
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[20:58:11] <dkg> alexey
[20:59:17] <dkg> slide 12
[20:59:24] <dkg> neil jenkins at mic
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[21:00:29] <dkg> martin thomson at mic
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[21:02:56] <dkg> neil jenkins at mic
[21:03:51] <dkg> martin thomson at mic
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[21:19:19] <dkg> page 13
[21:20:17] <dkg> dave crocker at mic
[21:20:34] <resnick> A first cut for push selectors might like “anything you can create a search for”. Maybe that makes push too complex.
[21:20:48] <resnick> s/might/might be
[21:22:20] <dkg> neil jenkins at mic
[21:24:09] <dkg> dave crocker at mic
[21:26:00] <dkg> martin thomson
[21:26:22] <dkg> keith moore at mic
[21:26:58] <dkg> joe hildebrand
[21:27:31] <dkg> slide 14
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[21:28:41] <dkg> alexey at mic
[21:31:27] <dkg> dkg at mic
[21:31:32] <dkg> neil jenkins at mic
[21:33:10] <Ned Freed> Actually, doing that creates a security hole - a server, knowing the client behavior, can send the original message for signature verification and something different in the parsed form.
[21:33:28] <Barry Leiba> Will channel Ned in a monent..
[21:33:30] <dkg> alexey at mic
[21:34:31] <Ned Freed> Any kind of signature.
[21:34:31] <dkg> dave crocker at mic
[21:34:41] <Ned Freed> S/MIME is the more important case; multipart/signed
[21:35:10] <Ned Freed> Object security in email is hard.
[21:35:22] <dkg> Ned Freed: agreed
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[21:39:44] <dkg> slide 15
[21:40:55] <dkg> pete resnick at mic
[21:40:57] <Ned Freed> Raises hand
[21:41:04] <Barry Leiba> ack
[21:41:15] <Ned Freed> I think annotations are crucial
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[21:43:01] <dkg> alexey
[21:44:29] <dkg> pete resnick
[21:44:33] <Ned Freed> If you want to enable a new generation of workflows based on email, you need the ability to hang data off messages somehow. Of course if you have a UUID you can put it in a separate database or something, but that's noninteroperable.
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[21:51:26] <dkg> alexey at mic
[21:52:22] <dkg> pete resnick
[21:54:23] <Ned Freed> Yes, but.... It would be really really really nice if this can be built as a proxy on top of an existing IMAP server.
[21:55:07] <Ned Freed> Mind you, I have no problem creating a UUID extension that must be supported for this to work. Beyond that, though, things get sticky.
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[22:07:02] <dkg> we're on slide 17
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