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Wednesday, 1 August 2012< ^ >
tonyhansen has set the subject to: IETF 83 | www.meetecho.com/ietf83/jose | tools.ietf.org/wg/jose/agenda
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[16:01:15] <Paul Hoffman> G'morning. I am your Jabber-to-mic relay. If you want me to say something to the mic, please start your message with "mic:". If I fail at this, let me know.
[16:02:20] <Paul Hoffman> FWIW, I am assuming that everyone here is hearing the audio feed, so I am not going to say stuff about what is going in.
[16:02:24] <Paul Hoffman> s/in/on/
[16:03:06] <Sean Turner> mic: check, check, check
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[16:03:27] stpeter has set the subject to: IETF 84 | audio: http://ietf84streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf844.m3u
[16:04:45] stpeter has set the subject to: IETF 84 | audio: http://ietf84streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf844.m3u | agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda/jose/
[16:04:47] <Sean Turner> swapping out co-chairs: tony hansen (out-going) karen o'donoghue (in-coming)
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[16:06:24] <Paul Hoffman> The mic is now on
[16:06:40] <Paul Hoffman> Let me know if you are not hearing Mike.
[16:07:18] <stpeter> audio is fine here
[16:17:01] <Sean Turner> hi psa
[16:17:20] <stpeter> hi spt :)
[16:17:43] <stpeter> Sean, ask Pete to tell you the true meaning of "kumbaya" ;-)
[16:19:06] <Sean Turner> let me go look I think he's told me before
[16:23:05] <stpeter> +1 to simplification :)
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[16:23:54] <m&m> +1000
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[16:25:26] <m&m> we're trying make people go to the mics … really!
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[16:25:49] <stpeter> thanks
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[16:39:09] <Paul Hoffman> We're succeeding at it.
[16:39:16] <stpeter> you rock :)
[16:39:50] <stpeter> is "isomorphic" the word of the day in Vancouver? ;-)
[16:40:32] <m&m> I think it's actually optimality
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[16:42:22] <Sean Turner> hmm: recipient infos...
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[16:55:42] <m&m> are there any comments for the room?
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[17:05:34] <m&m> ekr at the mic
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[17:09:08] <stpeter> yeah, no c14n please :)
[17:09:22] <tlr> I’m sure we can come up with several of those
[17:09:44] <stpeter> tlr: at least 3 or 4, I'm sure ;-)
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[17:18:51] <richard.barnes> stpeter: json c14n is not that bad. i posted a 19-line python script that does it
[17:19:05] <richard.barnes> but i understand that it's politically untenable :)
[17:19:44] <Sean Turner> psa - if you're following along make sure to speak up during this presentation ;)
[17:20:14] <Thomas Hardjono> Yes for AEAD
[17:20:18] <stpeter> are there slides for this?
[17:20:23] <hildjj> yes.
[17:20:44] <stpeter> ah, I found them
[17:21:02] <hildjj> link, please?
[17:21:16] <stpeter> I'm a yes for AEAD, too
[17:21:20] <stpeter> I found those slides, sorry
[17:21:53] <Thomas Hardjono> Hmm, no
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[17:22:26] <stpeter> no opinion on ECB key wrap, need more info :)
[17:24:37] <Thomas Hardjono> Yes
[17:24:59] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "No key wrap for KA algs"
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[17:26:08] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "add other than pre-shared MAC key"
[17:27:31] <Thomas Hardjono> No, keep it simple
[17:28:00] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "Add Key Usage both"
[17:28:51] <Thomas Hardjono> No don't allow for both.
[17:29:34] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "Support for multiple types of algorithms"
[17:31:07] <Thomas Hardjono> Don't understand the full implication yet.
[17:31:17] <hildjj> so: discuss?
[17:31:24] <Thomas Hardjono> no keep on going.
[17:31:43] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "RSA-OEAP default parameters"
[17:32:47] <Thomas Hardjono> yes discuss
[17:32:53] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "NIST KDF elements"; no need to vote
[17:33:07] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "Nonce/timestamp parameter"
[17:33:30] <Thomas Hardjono> Yes please include this feature
[17:33:53] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for JSON parsing issues
[17:37:03] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "Criticality of understanding header field"
[17:38:12] <Thomas Hardjono> Discuss
[17:38:32] <Paul Hoffman> Vote for "KID sufficiently define"
[17:40:02] <Paul Hoffman> Done with votes
[17:41:15] <stpeter> Paul: as a remote participant, I'm not yet totally confused -- I see this item ("Open Issue Discussion") on the agenda at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-jose and we just finished the relevant slide deck
[17:41:29] <stpeter> however, it would help for the current speaker to go to the mic :)
[17:41:34] <m&m> John Bradley at the mic
[17:41:40] <stpeter> oh, he is at the mic?
[17:41:46] <stpeter> just quiet, then
[17:42:16] <stpeter> brb
[17:42:59] <Thomas Hardjono> Repeat please or mic
[17:47:26] <m&m> Joe was just owned
[17:48:43] <hildjj> yeah.
[17:48:57] <hildjj> but at least i had an opinion; i just wanted to make sure what i was voting for. :)
[17:49:31] <m&m> my comment was for the benefit of the remote (-:
[17:49:59] <m&m> I'm sure it sounded like a bunch of "wahwahwahwah" on the audio stream
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[18:01:01] <stpeter> eek! a vote!
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[18:10:47] <hildjj> anyone here feel disenfranchised?
[18:11:33] <stpeter> not feeling disenfranchised, remote folks can always complain on the list :)
[18:12:21] <Sean Turner> just checking ;)
[18:12:33] <stpeter> sure, appeal-avoidance ;-)
[18:14:11] <hildjj> paul said "with no plagues on their houses"
[18:14:28] <stpeter> s/montegue/montague/ ;-)
[18:14:45] <Paul Hoffman> British spelling
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[18:26:47] <m&m> noted (-:
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[18:35:46] <stpeter> interesting, the audio seems to cut off automatically when the session goes long :)
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[18:36:05] <Karen O'Donoghue> just ended …
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