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[11:58:47] <jhutz> does this bof have a mailing list? any advance materials? where?
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[11:59:22] <hartmans> Yes. This bof has multiple drafts.
[11:59:32] <hartmans> It presumably must also have a mailing list since we approved it.
[12:00:18] <jhutz> do you know where?
[12:00:32] <hartmans> I'd check the bofs in progress wiki
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[12:03:05] <jhutz> oh, good plan
[12:04:45] <hartmans> Can someone make sure I get signed into the blue sheet?
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[12:06:40] <ldondeti> I signed Sam in
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[12:11:59] <paulwouters@jabber.org> anyone have a link to the materials presented handy?
[12:13:30] <jhutz> https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=67#wg-keyprov
[12:13:42] <mrichardson> how is the term "OTP" used here? One Time Password? One Time Pad? other?
[12:14:05] <jhutz> One-time Password
[12:14:06] <paulwouters@jabber.org> jhutz: thanks
[12:14:21] <jaltman> Audio stream: http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf675.m3u
[12:15:19] <jaltman> Presentation Slides: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/slides/keyprov-2.ppt
[12:15:38] <jaltman> Slide 5
[12:15:59] <jaltman> Slide 6
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[12:19:06] <jaltman> Slide 7
[12:19:25] <jaltman> Slide 8
[12:21:58] <jaltman> Slide 9
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[12:23:54] <jaltman> Slide 10.
[12:24:06] <hartmans> Um, why does this need to support things beyond OTP?
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[12:26:30] <jhutz> I don't understand the question, Sam. Where do you want to draw the "OTP" line? If you're drawing it narrowly, you want the system to be broad enough to cover, e.g., SecurID
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[12:27:50] <jhutz> For example, if I want to log in to [redacted] remotely, I have to type a PIN and the current value from a securid. Provisioning consisted of them mailing me the device, and then me talking to someone on the phone and giving them a PIN (my choice) and the serial number from my securid
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[12:31:35] <jaltman> Slide 12
[12:31:38] <jaltman> Slide 13
[12:32:47] <jhutz> I'm very interested to see what approaches were proposed for doing this. What jis and I came up with for Kerberos cross-realm involved a DH exchange, protected by an HMAC keyed by a pre-agreed password.
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[12:44:50] <jaltman> Presentation: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/slides/keyprov-0.ppt
[12:45:03] <jaltman> Slide 45
[12:45:08] <jaltman> Slide 4
[12:45:32] <jaltman> Slide 5
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[12:49:27] <jaltman> Slide 8
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[12:51:35] <jaltman> Slide 9
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[12:54:17] <jaltman> Slide 11
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[12:54:31] <mrichardson> a mature/deployed implementation isn't always a good choice to start a WG with... too much baggage.
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[12:54:55] <mrichardson> publish it at informational, and let us do version 2, or just publish, and don't bother with a WG.
[12:55:20] <mrichardson> or at individual submission/standards track.
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[12:56:45] <jaltman> For the audio stream participants who listen to the audio stream archive, it would be helpful if speakers specified the slide numbers. Something to remember for the future
[12:57:07] <jaltman> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/slides/keyprov-1.ppt
[12:57:13] <jaltman> slide 3
[12:57:33] <mrichardson> yeah. an audible "bing" when the slide moves ahead would also help, I guess.
[12:57:54] <mrichardson> don't we have a WG on how to synchronize different media streams?
[12:58:16] <jaltman> less helpful for people who are jumping ahead. like when I'm reviewing the stream in order to produce my meeting minutes
[12:58:34] <jaltman> slide 4
[12:59:04] <hartmans> I have a real problem ith the lack of extensible authentication in all of these proposals.
[13:07:09] <jaltman> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/slides/keyprov-3.doc
[13:07:49] <jaltman> I wish folks would convert presentations to PDF before the meetings.
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[13:08:53] <jaltman> page 2
[13:09:41] <jaltman> Open Mic
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[13:11:24] <jhutz> jeff, I upload the unconverted ppt when possible, on the theory that then people will be able to download either the original ppt or the result of the secretariat's conversions. We might suggest a change to the tools to allow uploading in more than one format.
[13:12:29] <jaltman> except that the secretariat's conversions are not available during the meetings
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[13:30:44] <hartmans> Can someone give me a pointer to the charter text?
[13:32:23] <paulwouters@jabber.org> https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=67#wg-keyprov
[13:32:33] <paulwouters@jabber.org> i dont think there is a charter *yet*
[13:32:50] <jhutz> There is a proposed charter; I'll find you a pointer
[13:33:55] <jhutz> It appears in a saag post: http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/saag/2006q3/001769.html
[13:35:02] <paulwouters@jabber.org> av is working fine
[13:36:04] <mrichardson> we lose the speaker output here, I guess.
[13:36:21] <jhutz> OK; I did not think power cycling the mixer would fix the problem. housley++
[13:36:22] <paulwouters@jabber.org> i heard all the "audio is broken" discussion :)
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[13:43:21] <paulwouters@jabber.org> now we need to figure out how to do btns channel binding with this
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[13:53:52] <paulwouters@jabber.org> using an ipod wheel to confirm a secret? :)
[14:00:07] <paulwouters@jabber.org> audio worked fine
[14:00:09] <paulwouters@jabber.org> again :P
[14:03:18] <jaltman> "One Time Password" in the proposed charter should be "Shared Symmetric Key"
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[14:19:21] <paulwouters@jabber.org> long term shared key?
[14:19:24] <paulwouters@jabber.org> hmm
[14:19:47] <mrichardson> now, we need to bootstrap the long term shared key?
[14:19:55] <mrichardson> isn't that: "makemetastegoat"?
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