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[13:02:18] <leifj> I'll be channeling folks
[13:02:48] <jimsch> is the audio working?
[13:02:57] <tlyu> i hear audio
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[13:08:39] <Scott Cantor> yes
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[13:08:52] <Scott Cantor> implementers have feedback to me, I have changes ready to get done
[13:09:04] <Scott Cantor> OASIS drafts will be moving forward shortly
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[13:30:39] <tlyu> mic: can we please try to distinguish poor design from poor writing?
[13:30:58] <leifj> (ok)
[13:31:04] <leifj> in line
[13:35:38] <tlyu> i think this is too big for errata
[13:36:40] <sftcd> @tom: yeah, seems like that's a shared opinion
[13:38:18] <tlyu> Tom Petch might care, but he hasn't said anything about the most recent rev
[13:39:23] <leifj> (if you want me to channel - prefix with "mic" like Tom did before)
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[13:42:19] <tlyu> mic: i mostly agree with this summary
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[13:47:00] <tlyu> mic: can't IESG appoint a mailing list to serve the expert review role?
[13:47:17] <leifj> (in line)
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[13:48:25] <hartmans> no, there have to be experts named, but the iesg can set up a list for the discussions.
[13:48:40] <hartmans> Take a look at I think 5226 for discussions of mailing lists
[13:49:18] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> +1 no registry
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[13:53:38] <tlyu> looking
[13:54:36] <tlyu> mic: the words "must be registered" appear in exactly one place in RFC1510 — in the comment for TransitedEncoding. i think the authors of 1510 might not have had a complete idea of how that would work either
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[13:56:45] <tlyu> seems like i'll need to write a section about registries we're not creating and explanations of why (doesn't need mic)
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[13:57:56] <hartmans> tlyu: good idea
[13:59:33] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> I read the documents
[14:00:12] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> Nico's
[14:00:48] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> Okay, will send to list.
[14:01:43] <tlyu> mic: was the rcache-avoidance one ever posted?
[14:02:17] <tlyu> i'm planning to read Nico's recent drafts
[14:02:22] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> draft-williams-kitten-krb5-extra-rt-00
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[14:03:11] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> Oops, misread, sorry, Tom.
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[14:03:29] <sftcd> doesn't look like rcache-avoidance was posted yet
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[14:05:03] <Robin Wilton> rcache-avoidance is not posted on ietf.tools, but is here on github: https://github.com/nicowilliams/kitten/blob/master/gss-krb5-rcache-avoid.xml
[14:05:39] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> I read kdc-aliasing
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[14:07:38] <tlyu> mic: recent RC4 results?
[14:09:23] <tlyu> mic: we should consider whether to deprecate RFC 4757
[14:09:55] <tlyu> mic: my understanding is that using different keys doesn't help. (based on skimming the slides from a presentation)
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[14:12:41] <tlyu> mic: i think this might probably fall into our charter and is worthwhile work (gss-profiles)
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[14:14:15] <tlyu> mic: we know of at least one Kerberos-GSS mech implementation in JavaScript
[14:15:04] <tlyu> mic: it's worth noting that the JS implementation is modeled more on the Java bindings than on the C bindings
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[14:15:45] <leifj> I said "mad skillz"
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[14:21:54] <tlyu> only if you write your dates in US order
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[14:22:54] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> My audio cut out for a bit -- we're done?
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[14:23:08] <tlyu> sounds like it
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[14:41:22] <jhutz@jis.mit.edu/owl> > mic: we should consider whether to deprecate RFC 4757
I'm not sure we get to deprecate that.  It's an informational document
describing what Windows actually does, and it was not a WG product.
But, I suppose we already deprecated the "EXP" version in RFC6649
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