IETF
kitten
kitten@jabber.ietf.org
Friday, November 14, 2014< ^ >
nico has set the subject to: KITTEN WG | http://tools.ietf.org/wg/kitten/ | NOTE WELL: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html
Room Configuration
Room Occupants

GMT+0
[00:38:23] kaduk leaves the room
[00:55:38] m&m leaves the room: Disconnected: connection closed
[00:59:41] ghudson joins the room
[01:02:06] jimsch1 joins the room
[01:08:17] Meetecho joins the room
[01:12:15] m&m joins the room
[01:14:01] metricamerica joins the room
[01:14:06] metricamerica leaves the room
[01:14:38] Mike Jenkins joins the room
[01:16:15] Bill Mills joins the room
[01:16:15] lixing wang joins the room
[01:16:15] lixing wang leaves the room
[01:17:49] <Bill Mills> If Shawn is reading chat yet...  I'm here to answer questions on my slides when needed.
[01:19:14] <nico> has the meeting started yet?
[01:20:20] <m&m> not yet, nico
[01:20:27] <m&m> today's agenda: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/kitten/agenda
[01:20:40] <m&m> today's minutes: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/kitten/minutes
[01:20:58] tlyu@mit.edu joins the room
[01:21:20] <Bill Mills> MIC: woop woop!  here
[01:21:50] <nico> we hear you
[01:22:22] <nico> back to the past
[01:22:46] lixing wang joins the room
[01:23:40] <Mike Jenkins> slide: Overview
[01:24:01] <Bill Mills> good audio here
[01:25:29] lixing wang leaves the room
[01:25:30] <Mike Jenkins> active wg item updates
[01:25:48] <Mike Jenkins> pkinit-alg-agiliity now
[01:26:05] kaduk joins the room
[01:27:09] <Mike Jenkins> iakerb update
[01:28:07] <ghudson> mic: I've been using asn1c for verification.
[01:28:10] <Bill Mills> if that alg-agility draft needs only simple edits I could do it
[01:28:20] <nico> there's the Heimdal ASN.1 compiler
[01:28:24] <nico> there's asn1c
[01:28:25] <Bill Mills> but if you find someone better that's fine
[01:28:44] <nico> there's a fair number of ASN.1 open source compilers now
[01:30:06] Catherine Dibble joins the room
[01:30:40] <nico> we should also come up with errata text for RFC2743's GSS_Process_context_token() text
[01:30:54] <nico> I can probably spend some time on channel bound
[01:31:37] Franck Martin joins the room
[01:33:45] <ghudson> What item is Sam talking about?
[01:33:57] <Bill Mills> 6112bis?
[01:34:03] <Mike Jenkins> rfc6112bis
[01:34:13] <Franck Martin> slide is on 6112bis
[01:36:12] <Mike Jenkins> slide: rfc5653bis
[01:36:35] <kaduk> 4402bis
[01:36:37] <Mike Jenkins> slide: 4402bis
[01:37:12] <Mike Jenkins> slide: SASL-OAuth
[01:37:44] idra leaves the room
[01:38:31] idra joins the room
[01:38:43] <Bill Mills> Just that I forgot to update the changelog that doesn't include all the changes
[01:38:51] <Bill Mills> Yes, what he said for -17
[01:39:00] Sean Turner joins the room
[01:39:14] <m&m> it's ok … the changelog will be removed upon RFC publication
[01:39:59] <Sean Turner> yeah I'd not wait on that - it's a nice to have - people can run the diffs
[01:41:48] <Bill Mills> MIC: please send that feedback on -17 to the list so I can make sure to get it right.
[01:43:23] <Mike Jenkins> technical difficulties, please stand by <cue schlocky girl from ipanema instrumental>
[01:44:23] <Mike Jenkins> slide: A Client can pre-generate...
[01:44:55] Catherine Dibble leaves the room
[01:45:10] <Mike Jenkins> slide: Freshness Token
[01:46:24] <Mike Jenkins> slide: Extended PKAuthenicator
[01:46:45] <Mike Jenkins> slide: Message Flow With Freshness Token
[01:47:47] <Mike Jenkins> slide: Security and Interoperability Considerations
[01:48:09] Satoru Kanno joins the room
[01:48:44] <Mike Jenkins> slide: Links and Contact Info
[01:48:49] <Mike Jenkins> Sam Hartman at mic
[01:50:09] Steve Olshansky joins the room
[01:51:04] <nico> The KDC could include anything it wants in the freshness token -- the question is whether the client *also* wants something additional as well
[01:51:16] <kaduk> That's not what Sam's saying, nico
[01:51:39] Steve Olshansky_4597 joins the room
[01:51:51] <tlyu@mit.edu> MIC: please look at the original WG list thread (2005 maybe?) and acknowledge the key contributors who discovered this
[01:52:25] <kaduk> Tom, you want the draft authors to do that?
[01:52:41] <nico> kaduk: sorry, i was getting distracted here
[01:52:55] <kaduk> nico: my client is also lagging a lot, so maybe I got your comment late
[01:53:09] <tlyu@mit.edu> kaduk: yeah
[01:54:03] <nico> I thought Sam was saying that we might want to sign over more stuff, like the KDC's cert and so on
[01:54:32] <tlyu@mit.edu> MIC: i think back then people decided the additional round trips weren't worth it
[01:54:37] <Mike Jenkins> Open Mic
[01:54:58] <kaduk> to get more stuff from the KDC, yes, but Sam's main point was about how the client was requesting bits
[01:55:43] <nico> lol
[01:57:20] <nico> hartmans: yay, this is going to be awesome; I might contribute a portable open-source RESTauth server that can be reverse proxied, but the big problem for me is: clients for anything other than browsers
[01:57:48] <nico> +1 on PKCROSS :) but also, +1 on extra tokens (extra rt)
[01:58:10] <nico> I'm most interested in extra tokens
[01:58:21] <Bill Mills> OPEN MIC: how many folks have actually read the SASL OAUTH draft?
[01:58:40] <nico> +1 on kDH
[01:58:47] <Bill Mills> -17
[01:59:07] <Bill Mills> 3 is better than 2
[01:59:25] <Mike Jenkins> Justin at mic
[01:59:32] <Bill Mills> sure....
[01:59:33] <nico> I'll read it
[01:59:47] <nico> (note it so you can hold me to it)
[02:00:01] <tlyu@mit.edu> CAMMAC is in a weird state in the tracker but that's mostly for chairs to sort out
[02:00:13] Steve Olshansky_4597 leaves the room
[02:00:15] <Mike Jenkins> Meeting Adjourned
[02:00:17] Steve Olshansky leaves the room
[02:01:28] Mike Jenkins leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
[02:01:39] jimsch1 leaves the room
[02:01:40] Sean Turner leaves the room
[02:02:03] kaduk leaves the room
[02:02:42] Bill Mills leaves the room
[02:02:56] tlyu@mit.edu leaves the room
[02:10:56] Satoru Kanno leaves the room
[02:18:19] m&m leaves the room: Disconnected: connection closed
[02:34:17] Sean Turner joins the room
[02:34:22] Sean Turner leaves the room
[02:35:10] Meetecho leaves the room
[02:42:43] idra leaves the room
[02:46:04] m&m joins the room
[02:46:11] idra joins the room
[03:05:26] idra leaves the room
[03:09:48] idra joins the room
[03:16:56] ghudson leaves the room
[03:32:33] m&m leaves the room
[03:48:49] idra leaves the room
[03:49:09] idra joins the room
[04:20:41] Franck Martin leaves the room
[18:39:44] Franck Martin joins the room
[18:55:48] Franck Martin leaves the room
[21:51:40] kaduk joins the room
[21:54:51] idra leaves the room
[22:15:50] idra joins the room
[22:17:29] <kaduk> nico: ping?
[23:14:08] idra leaves the room
[23:16:52] kaduk leaves the room
[23:29:16] idra joins the room