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[10:53:52] <Tobia Castaldi> Hi everyone
[10:53:55] <Tobia Castaldi> If you have to present please make sure you follow the instructions described here: https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/Documentation-Meetecho-IETF.pdf
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[11:00:07] <Tobia Castaldi> yes
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[11:01:24] <Eliot Lear> Good morning/afternoon/evening
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[11:02:04] <Mike Ounsworth> I guess that's one downside of purely virtual: the chair is not necessarily in a convenient timezone
[11:02:08] <Jonathan Hammell> I see it.
[11:02:13] <Tomas Gustavsson> I see it
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[11:02:25] <Alexey Melnikov> Did anybody hear me talk a minute ago?
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[11:02:42] <Daniel Gillmor> i don't think i heard you Alexey
[11:02:45] <Jonathan Hammell> @Alexey no, I don't believe so
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[11:04:04] <Roman Danyliw> @dkg: I'd AD sponsor that draft
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[11:04:20] <Rich Salz> Isn't that an API?  We don't do API's(well)
[11:04:40] <Hendrik Brockhaus> I see the header protection slide, but I hear nothing
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[11:05:09] <Meetecho> Hendrik Brockhaus: there's an icon in the lower-right (circular arrows) to restart the audio stream
[11:05:57] <Roman Danyliw> @Rich: In jest :-)
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[11:06:22] <Rich Salz> :)
[11:06:28] <Rich Salz> so was mine.
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[11:07:26] <Hendrik Brockhaus> Re-join worked :-)
[11:07:56] <Steffen Fries> Slides still dont work for me, was okay yesterday :-(
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[11:09:44] <Eliot Lear> i didn't see him on
[11:11:00] <Tobia Castaldi> Steffen, are you on the "presentation view"?
[11:11:31] <Tobia Castaldi> (first button left, top-right corner of the page)
[11:11:37] <Steffen Fries> yes, I am
[11:13:03] <Steffen Fries> it works now. I had to right click in the window and hit play
[11:14:23] <cw-ietf> fwiw, the audio stream is on room 6, not room 7 as noted on the agenda
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[11:17:28] <Seth Blank> we hear you
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[11:17:41] <Tomas Gustavsson> We don't hear you Hendrik
[11:17:44] <Daniel Gillmor> henrik, we do not hear you
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[11:18:35] <Rich Salz> who is speaking?
[11:19:13] <Daniel Gillmor> that was steffen, now it is henrik again
[11:19:36] <Daniel Gillmor> and now i've lost henrik again
[11:20:44] <Daniel Gillmor> now it's back to steffen
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[11:25:26] <Eliot Lear> That just answered my one question- whether this aligns well with BRSKI-aE
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[11:30:10] <Rich Salz> of course we need Jim Schaad (the human asn1 compiler) to review :)
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[11:33:17] <Daniel Gillmor> Jim Schaad, are you gonna take that?
[11:33:48] <Jim Schaad> As opposed to the last 3 modules Russ has asked me to review?
[11:34:52] <Rich Salz> You are half the asn1-directorate jim.  (Russ is the other half)
[11:35:38] <Jim Schaad> Right and Russ comes to me with all of the interesting problems -- including tooling
[11:36:40] <Rich Salz> now i want to see asn1-doctors@ietf.org list (analagous to yang-doctors)
[11:38:34] <Eliot Lear> @Rich isn't that Russ and Jim? ;-)
[11:38:47] <Daniel Gillmor> two people is enough for a mailing list
[11:39:17] <Eliot Lear> tooling opportunity here as well
[11:39:31] <Rich Salz> CODE SPRINT
[11:41:55] <Alexey Melnikov_> As a participant: fix broken implementations/help them implement specs correctly
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[11:42:21] <Daniel Gillmor> alexey -- if you want me to say this at the mic, plz prefix with MIC
[11:42:33] <Daniel Gillmor> --your friendly neighborhood jabber monitor
[11:47:02] <Jonathan Hammell> +1 for Triple wrap
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[11:49:06] <Alexey Melnikov_> Isode in interested in triple wrap for gateways
[11:49:50] <Rich Salz> lost my audio  reconnecting.
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[11:52:15] <Jim Schaad> @meetecho:  I turned off my mic and did not get removed from the sending media queue.  Is that expected?
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[11:53:03] <Daniel Gillmor> jim, there are two mic buttons -- one is queue, one is speak
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[11:53:24] <Jim Schaad> And I turned off the queue one
[11:53:45] <Alexey Melnikov> Agreed
[11:53:52] <jimsch1> You will see that I do not have a mic in the sending media list
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[11:54:04] <jimsch1> Now I disappeared -
[11:54:10] <Alexey Melnikov> I am Ok with that
[11:54:35] <Meetecho> Jim Schaad: possibly you were still sending via the other button, so we removed you from the queue ourselves
[11:54:55] <jimsch1> @meetecho - I went in through the queue
[11:55:02] <Meetecho> If you didn't see your wavform and the green backgriund under your name, though, you were not really sending anything
[11:55:16] <Meetecho> So it was a UI glitch, apologies for that
[11:55:34] <Meetecho> *queue glitch
[11:55:57] <Rich Salz> @meetecho: I have the chat but no audio or video.  tips?
[11:56:51] <Daniel Gillmor> rich: click the reload button in the lower right?
[11:57:03] <Daniel Gillmor> "reconnect audio" i think
[11:57:11] <Meetecho> Rich Salz: have you tried rejoining already? possibly something went wrong at atartup
[11:57:14] <Meetecho> *startup
[11:57:23] <Meetecho> For audio there's an icon in the lower/right to reconnect it
[11:57:39] <Meetecho> Video streams depends on whether you see bitrates but no video, or nothing at all
[11:57:46] <Rich Salz> yeah, did both.  will close browser and start over.
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[11:58:50] <Rich Salz> coming back in via safari and i'm good.  (was on Firefox).
[11:59:02] <Rich Salz> @all: if there's things to fill in on the minutes, please do so.
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[12:02:37] <Alexey Melnikov> I agree with DKG's point
[12:04:07] <Alexey Melnikov> I don't think I said that X.400 gateways discard these
[12:07:33] <Eliot Lear> May we never add biblical exogesis as a "commonly used term"...
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[12:08:31] <Alexey Melnikov> I agree with DKG: if a gateway strips signatures, we are outside of header protection spec.
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[12:10:15] <jimsch1> The correct term for Msft Exchange is not "weird" but "really really dumb"
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[12:10:45] <Alexey Melnikov> Bernie, you are asking for impossible: we can't find all broken implementations out there
[12:11:34] <Eliot Lear> +1 to Alexey.  I **promise** that there exists an implementation that breaks for any given piece of email.
[12:11:44] <Jonathan Hammell> I tested Exchange and submitted screenshots to DKG's GitHub.  Sorry my audio was not working.
[12:11:45] <Eliot Lear> So what?
[12:12:15] <Alexey Melnikov> I agree we need to know when the process terminates
[12:12:37] <Daniel Gillmor> thank you Jonathan!
[12:17:39] <Alexey Melnikov> +1 to DKG on separating sending and receiving side
[12:20:04] <Rich Salz> +1 agree!
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[12:24:37] <Kathleen Moriarty> The truck noises are not coming through, no worries.
[12:30:41] <brong> +1 to minimal obfuscation instructions - From and To also have much higher interaction with intermediate routing
[12:31:42] <brong> the real question is: should the subject be something that clearly would never be typed by a human
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[12:32:09] <brong> ... is something a real human might type "RFCXXX ENCRYPTED MESSAGE WRAPPER" is not
[12:32:17] <Daniel Gillmor> brong -- in my usage, "..." is the best choice
[12:32:53] <Daniel Gillmor> anything that says "encrypted" poses a problem: it can get copied into Re: RFCXXX BLAH BLAH on reply from a legacy MUA
[12:33:08] <brong> yes true
[12:37:15] <Alexey Melnikov> +1 to both DKG and Russ
[12:41:02] <Alexey Melnikov> Bcc affects message generation, so this is not unrelated
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[12:44:34] <Daniel Gillmor> thanks all
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