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[21:11:40] <Markus Stenberg> cut-n-pasted yang models in presentations should be grounds for public ridicule
[21:12:00] <akatlas> We are still learning how to discuss yang models; I agree it's not very effective
[21:12:15] <Markus Stenberg> barely have even time to read what is on slide (and it looks like crap for remote participants)
[21:14:23] <akatlas> and it gives details instead of the issues to discuss - but Markus, have you seen a good group discussion done about a YANG model yet?
[21:14:36] <adrianfarrel> You mean you didn't read the I-D before you arrived n the meeting?
[21:14:46] <Markus Stenberg> never
[21:14:54] <Markus Stenberg> I usually read drafts in advance and just read emails during YANG presentations
[21:14:57] <Markus Stenberg> as they are so full of fails
[21:15:13] <Markus Stenberg> a) cut-n-pasted models, b) usually not discussing design but trivial details
[21:15:21] <akatlas> we need to figure out how to present YANG models - and teach folks...
[21:15:52] <Markus Stenberg> they describe leaves of the trees, while the high-level structures are actually interesting
[21:16:00] <Markus Stenberg> some sort of diagram of those might be interesting
[21:16:07] <Markus Stenberg> but details of every silly field on some object? ha ha
[21:16:18] <Markus Stenberg> I can't remember this madness happening on SNMP MIB presentations, must be YANG thing
[21:16:26] <Markus Stenberg> or my memory failing :)
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[21:17:50] <adrianfarrel> No, you're completely right
[21:18:04] <akatlas> do you have suggestions on how to do a presentation on a YANG model?  I do hear you
[21:18:06] <adrianfarrel> I think the difference is that we had to drag people screaming into MIB-world
[21:18:35] <adrianfarrel> Abstraction and trees seems to be the real model
[21:18:35] <Markus Stenberg> a) describe what model covers, b) describe main 'objects' covered (and possibly their relations, c) go to bar
[21:18:44] <adrianfarrel> Ha!
[21:18:48] <adrianfarrel> Wrong order :-)
[21:18:58] <Markus Stenberg> well, true, c) helps for a)/b) too
[21:19:29] <akatlas> LOL - but yes
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