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Monday, November 5, 2018< ^ >
Sean Turner has set the subject to: 20180927 MLS Interim
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[09:08:34] <Nadim Kobeissi> Testing...
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[09:13:19] <Nadim Kobeissi> OK cool I can transcribe here
[09:13:35] <Nadim Kobeissi> This is the Jabber room, correctg?
[09:13:45] <m&m> yes, it is
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[09:13:58] <Nadim Kobeissi> Great, I'll be transcribing the meeting
[09:14:27] <terrebyte> Jabber scribe here, please append any questions with (mic)
[09:14:46] <terrebyte> Any questions you want asked*
[09:15:04] <Nadim Kobeissi> Oh OK :P
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[09:29:23] <terrebyte> Eric rescola at the mic
[09:31:28] <terrebyte> ?? At the mic
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[09:32:56] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Ben Kaduk, sorry
[09:33:07] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> "responsible AD"
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[09:33:35] <terrebyte> Eric rescola at the mic
[09:33:49] <terrebyte> No worries!
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[09:35:34] <terrebyte> Ben Kaduk at the mic
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[09:41:30] <nat> Richard Barnes at the mic.
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[09:46:31] <terrebyte> I'm sorry, I will need to leave due to poor planning on my part, any volunteers to take over scribe duties?
[09:46:35] <terrebyte> Dkg at the mic
[09:47:21] <terrebyte> Richard Barnes at the mic
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[09:55:44] <Jonathan Millican> In the situation where you evict the creator, would you be better to double join yourself to the remaining double-joined nodes instead of blanking them? Otherwise by blanking them, would you lose the efficiency gain from warm up?
[09:56:00] <Jonathan Millican> The evictor would effectively become the creator at that point I think
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[09:59:56] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Just to sanity check: Richard's note about if the creator is
initializing everything so there's a shared secret and no new DH
operations, that means that the work of fully initializing the tree is
not going to be very burdensome for the creator?
[10:00:53] <Katriel Cohn-Gordon> @kaduk that is my understanding, yes. In some contexts that's fine (e.g. if the creator is an admin server)
[10:01:05] <Katriel Cohn-Gordon> In some contexts that's not fine (e.g. if the creator is my phone)
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[10:14:46] <Jonathan Millican> Note: Option 2 is the one which was merged
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[10:17:51] <dkg> Meetecho: nadim is a bit loud here
[10:18:28] <Meetecho> Ack, just a sec
[10:18:51] <Meetecho> Better now?
[10:18:58] <dkg> Meetecho: thanks, that's better
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[10:27:37] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> "more susceptible to compromise" seems like it's putting it
politely...
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[10:40:58] <Jonathan Millican> Meetecho: getting a lot of echo on the feed at the moment
[10:41:11] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> (W.r.t. when the epoch changes, it changes on every group operation)
[10:41:15] <Meetecho> Jonathan Millican: better now?
[10:41:39] <Katriel Cohn-Gordon> Echo is much better for me now
[10:41:48] <Jonathan Millican> Yup me too - thanks!
[10:42:42] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> A heavily backlit Jon Millican, apparently
[10:44:07] <Jonathan Millican> Ah yes sorry: this hotel room isn't best setup for video conferencing
[10:44:10] <Nadim Kobeissi> Whew!
[10:44:20] <dkg> Nadim Kobeissi: thanks for the background and discussion!
[10:44:34] <Nadim Kobeissi> Thumbs up emoji!
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[10:51:08] <Nadim Kobeissi> Got to head out -- teaching soon. Thanks!
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