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[12:06:55] <ekr> yo dan
[12:07:22] <Dan York> morning
[12:08:06] <Dan York> are you in the room? I don't see you. Do you want scribing?
[12:08:30] <ekr> Minimal scribing is fine. I just want to know when we get to the end of the preso so I can run up from the othe rmtg I'm imn
[12:08:37] <Dan York> okay
[12:08:45] <Dan York> JR is up talking about ICE TCP
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[12:09:02] <ekr> Thanks!
[12:09:23] <Dan York> jo - are you here in the room or remote?
[12:09:34] <jo> sitting in the front :-)
[12:09:47] <Dan York> Okay... than you don't need scribing, eh?
[12:10:05] <jo> nope, is useful to have though in case people come in late
[12:10:15] <Dan York> I'll do a minimal level
[12:10:40] <jo> Thanks a lot!
[12:11:30] <Dan York> Open issue - "Lite" implementation for IC-tcp
[12:11:42] <Dan York> ICE-tcp
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[12:14:42] <Dan York> discussion around whether or not we need a "Lite" implementation of ICE-tcp
[12:15:05] <Dan York> Christer - this comes from work in 3GPP and TISPAN
[12:15:12] <Dan York> Ted Hardie at mic
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[12:23:25] <Dan York> Still having discussion about "Lite" implementation of ICE-tcp
[12:24:13] <ekr> outstanding.
[12:24:25] <Dan York> If any of you are remote in this chat room want questions asked, feel free to ask them.
[12:24:37] <Dan York> Discussion is whether we need it
[12:24:50] <Dan York> or whether we could just use commedia
[12:24:55] <Dan York> s/mm/m/
[12:25:47] <Dan York> Keith Drage - 3GPP has *not* decided on whether ICE support is full ICE or "lite" ICE
[12:27:56] <Dan York> JR - two alternatives: 1) implement "Lite" ICE TCP as another draft; 2) revert to comedia
[12:28:37] <Dan York> other options: 3) add ICE Lite into current draft; and 4) do nothing (don't do ICE Lite)
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[12:35:26] <Dan York> Two actions: 1) JR to post 4 options to list; and 2) JR to get with Philip about feedback.
[12:35:55] <Dan York> JR is done
[12:35:58] <Dan York> Hannes up next
[12:36:18] <Dan York> Analysis of Middlebox Interactions for Signaling
[12:36:36] <Dan York> draft-sipping-stucker-media-path-middleboxes-00
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[12:44:21] <Dan York> slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/mmusic-9.pdf
[12:44:25] <Dan York> brian stucker at mic
[12:45:03] <Dan York> slide 5
[12:45:16] <Dan York> Middlebox Impact
[12:45:42] <Dan York> EKR at mic, Martin Stiemerling and JR queued
[12:46:12] <Dan York> EKR - this breaks ICE, right? (and he is correct)
[12:48:08] <Dan York> JR at mic
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[12:48:38] <Dan York> Audio is at http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf701.m3u
[12:57:22] <Dan York> We're on the "REC #1" slide having vigorous debate
[13:00:05] <Dan York> On "REC #2" slide
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[13:03:01] <Dan York> On "REC #3" slide
[13:04:52] <Dan York> JR at mic... now EKR
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[13:27:59] <Dan York> Hannes is now done
[13:28:14] <Dan York> Dan Wing is up talking on behalf of the author
[13:29:18] <Dan York> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-saito-mmusic-sdp-ike-02.txt
[13:31:02] <Dan York> slide http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/mmusic-8.pdf
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