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[12:55:35] <burn> Is anyone remote?
[12:55:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> happy birthdat Magnus :)
[12:55:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> (everybody singing!)
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[12:57:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Martin for St.Patrick ;)
[12:57:41] <burn> Lorenzo, are you monitoring Jabber for this session?
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[12:58:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> yes I'll check the Jabber room
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[13:00:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Audio/Video Transport  Extensions (AV
[13:00:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Chairs
[13:00:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Audio/Video Transport  Extensions (AV
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[13:01:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Administrivia
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[13:01:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: •Any submission to the IETF inten
[13:01:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Thank You
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[13:03:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Agenda
[13:03:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Status
[13:05:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[13:06:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Pausing an RTP Media Stream draft-even-a
[13:06:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Roni Even
[13:06:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Pausing an RTP Media Stream draft-even-a
[13:06:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Introduction
[13:06:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Introduction
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[13:08:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Using TMMBR
[13:09:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Using TMMBR
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[13:12:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[13:12:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: RTP Media Stream  Pause / Resume
[13:12:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Bo Burman
[13:12:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: RTP Media Stream  Pause / Resume
[13:13:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: IPR Disclosure
[13:13:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Presentation Goal
[13:14:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Pause Problem Overview (1)
[13:14:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Pause Problem Overview (2)
[13:14:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Pause Problem Overview (3)
[13:14:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Pause Problem Overview (4)
[13:15:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Solution Differences
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[13:17:24] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Determining Topology
[13:18:54] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:19:51] <burn> Magnus Westerlund at mic
[13:20:34] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:22:08] <burn> Charles Eckel at mic
[13:23:05] <burn> Magnus Westerlund at mic
[13:23:20] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:24:15] <burn> Charles Eckel at mic
[13:24:52] <burn> Jonathan Lennox at floor mic
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[13:25:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Lorenzo: Is it possible to show the speakers in the video?
[13:26:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> of course, just a second
[13:26:20] <burn> ?? at mic
[13:26:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Lorenzo: Thank you!
[13:26:44] <burn> ?? was Mo
[13:26:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Choose Direction
[13:26:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> no problem :)
[13:27:47] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:28:46] <burn> Stefan Wenger at mic
[13:29:56] <burn> hands went up for deciding now, no hands for delaying
[13:30:01] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:30:33] <Jonathan Lennox> burn: there was one hand for delaying
[13:30:56] <burn> ah, thanks for the correction Jonathan — didn't see from my position.
[13:31:12] <burn> Steve Botzko at mic
[13:32:36] <burn> Hands in favor of A (new signaling mechanism):  almost 0
[13:32:47] <burn> Hands in favor of B (reusing existing mechanism):  5 or 6
[13:33:03] <burn> out of 50-60 people in room
[13:33:08] <burn> Last speaker was Magnus
[13:33:10] <burn> Roni now at mic
[13:33:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[13:33:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: RTP Splicing Notificaiton
[13:33:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: RTP Splicing
[13:34:07] <burn> Speaker:  Rachel Huang
[13:34:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> thanks, didn't catch her name
[13:34:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Rachel Huang
[13:34:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: RTP Splicing
[13:36:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: RTP Splicing Nofitication Overview
[13:36:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: RTP Header Extension
[13:38:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: RTCP SNM
[13:39:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Next Step
[13:40:00] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:40:56] <burn> maybe 1 or 2 admitted to reading the draft on the list
[13:41:06] <burn> Stefan Wenger at mic
[13:41:21] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:42:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[13:42:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: A Taxonomy of Grouping Semantics for RTP
[13:42:29] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Jonathan Lennox
[13:42:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: A Taxonomy of Grouping Semantics for RTP
[13:42:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Background
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[13:44:06] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Naming and Definitions
[13:45:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Basic Concepts (1): Synchronization Sour
[13:46:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Basic Concepts (2): Sessions
[13:46:24] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> This is the "session" in SIP
[13:46:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Basic Concepts (3): Media Source Output
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[13:47:47] <burn> Charles Eckel at mic
[13:49:03] <burn> Roni Even at mic
[13:49:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Group relationship types
[13:49:56] <burn> Steve Botzko at mic
[13:50:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Basic Concepts (3): Media Source Output
[13:50:58] <burn> Suhas at mic
[13:51:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Group relationship types
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[13:54:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Path forward
[13:55:22] <burn> Mary Barnes at mic
[13:56:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[13:57:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Multi­Media  Concepts and  Relations
[13:57:06] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Bo Burman
[13:57:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Multi­Media  Concepts and  Relations
[13:57:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Background
[13:58:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: More Taxonomy Concepts 1
[13:58:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: More Taxonomy Concepts 2
[13:59:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Identified WebRTC Issues
[14:00:18] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: SDP Evolution
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[14:01:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Draft UML Diagram
[14:02:30] <burn> (general groans in the room at the complexity of the UML diagram slide)
[14:02:47] <burn> Paul Kyzivat at mic
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[14:03:41] <burn> Mary Barnes at mic
[14:03:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> http://www.asciiflow.com/#Draw
[14:05:23] <burn> Suhas at mic
[14:06:33] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Hands up
[14:06:40] <burn> Those in favor of chartering a terminology doc:  many many hands up
[14:06:52] <burn> Those against:  very few, if any
[14:07:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[14:07:01] <burn> (I didn't see any, but Mary said she did)
[14:07:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> moving to MMUSIC section now
[14:07:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> *session
[14:08:26] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> If you would like to have anything said to the mic, please put MIC: at the front.
[14:08:27] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Thanks
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[14:08:45] <burn> Ted, are you going to relay?
[14:08:49] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Yes
[14:09:08] <burn> Thx.  I'll go check email now, or surf the web, or something similar :)
[14:09:08] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> If you would prefer to, that's fine.  
[14:09:29] <burn> No, happy for you to do it
[14:09:36] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Thanks for scribing, burn!
[14:09:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: MAJOR CHANGES
[14:09:55] <burn> You bet.  Easier than the old days that actually required scribing!
[14:09:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Christer Holmberg
[14:09:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: MAJOR CHANGES
[14:11:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Who's talking?
[14:11:58] <burn> Andy Hutton at mic
[14:12:27] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Current mic length depth if 6
[14:12:39] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> s/if/is/
[14:14:21] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Now 8
[14:15:08] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Sounds like EKR
[14:15:15] <Jonathan Lennox> Yes
[14:15:16] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Yes, that's ek
[14:15:20] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> ekr
[14:15:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> yes that's him, at the back mic
[14:15:41] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Adam Roach is +1
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[14:17:42] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Hadriel Kaplan I guess
[14:17:48] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Yes
[14:18:02] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> He actually said that at the mic, is it clipping?
[14:18:41] <burn> Ted, it's often very difficult to understand names on the remote audio stream.  It is helpful to state who is at the mic
[14:20:23] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Cullen Jennings at the mic
[14:20:25] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Yes, many times it is very hard
[14:24:15] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Name was not understandable here...
[14:24:32] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Randall Jesup
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[14:26:49] <Jonathan Lennox> Who was the last speaker?
[14:26:56] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Suhas
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[14:30:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[14:30:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Cullen Jennings March 2013
[14:31:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Cullen Jennings
[14:31:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Cullen Jennings March 2013
[14:32:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: How we can be done now with no changes t
[14:34:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Extension to previous
[14:42:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Solves
[14:42:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Glare less Add
[14:45:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: What it take to make SSRC signaling work
[14:45:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Glare less Add
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[14:49:26] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Who is talking?
[14:49:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Extension to previous
[14:50:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> I only got the first name (Peter I guess)
[14:50:36] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Note: ten minutes left in the meeting
[14:50:42] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Peter Thatcher
[14:57:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: What it take to make SSRC signaling work
[15:00:29] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Who's the drunken rambler?
[15:00:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> EKR
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[15:04:01] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Who?
[15:04:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Ted Hardie
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[15:08:27] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Good things the Internet was built for kittens if EKR hate puppies.
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[15:10:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentation stopped
[15:10:50] <Olle E. Johansson, Sollentuna, Sweden (GMT+1)> Thanks Lorenzo and Ted!
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[15:11:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> glad we could be of help!
[15:11:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> we'll make the recordings available ASAP
[15:11:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> cheers
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