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David Partain has set the subject to: OPS Area Meeting, IETF76, Hiroshima
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[07:02:31] <Joel Jaeggli> opsarea portion is starting
[07:02:38] <Joel Jaeggli> agenda bashing
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[07:04:32] <Joel Jaeggli> dan romascano -
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[07:06:05] <Joel Jaeggli> energy management ntt mib revision? - subscribe to energy management wg mailing list
[07:06:12] <Joel Jaeggli> ops awg status update
[07:06:47] <Joel Jaeggli> draft-weil assignment made
[07:06:56] <Joel Jaeggli> 100.64/10
[07:07:20] <Joel Jaeggli> oam-overview update forthcoming
[07:07:40] <Joel Jaeggli> ipr disclosure on a requirements document
[07:11:40] <Bert Wijnen> So there is no IPR against the problem statement. But a set of solutions might ancounter IPR
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[07:12:07] <Bert Wijnen> The revised statement is much more explicit and helpful
[07:12:51] <Melinda> Hear, hear
[07:12:58] <Bert Wijnen> wg chair: the sooner you can disclose, the better for the process
[07:13:28] <Joel Jaeggli> janapath-intarea-traceflow - status
[07:13:45] <Joel Jaeggli> if you have interest in it please comment
[07:14:11] <Joel Jaeggli> ? arthur cisco systems -
[07:14:25] <Joel Jaeggli> cisco "media trace"
[07:14:51] <Joel Jaeggli> shen trace icmp options work as well
[07:15:36] <Joel Jaeggli> jurgen schemela - mic
[07:17:33] <Joel Jaeggli> next draft - lsn-deployment - victor k
[07:17:46] <Joel Jaeggli> talked about in behave
[07:18:44] <Joel Jaeggli> no uploaded slides yet fyi
[07:19:04] <Dan York> Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsawg-2.ppt
[07:19:32] <Joel Jaeggli> ah
[07:19:38] <Joel Jaeggli> stand corrected
[07:20:43] <Dan York> joelja: I actually didn't see your comment... was just pasting in the link to the slides
[07:25:50] <Bert Wijnen> Does the WG want to work on this?
[07:25:59] <Joel Jaeggli> chairs - questions
[07:26:28] <Joel Jaeggli> should we take this work? is anyone awake
[07:26:54] <Joel Jaeggli> ron bonica - iesg is considering v4-exit wg
[07:27:16] <Joel Jaeggli> sob - where would that wg live?
[07:27:45] <Joel Jaeggli> ron b - open for deabate at least one foot in the opsarea
[07:28:25] <Joel Jaeggli> ron - at one time I use to run a 2547 vpns and this works
[07:28:52] <Joel Jaeggli> sob - show hands good document?
[07:29:10] <Joel Jaeggli> mostly in favor no opposed
[07:29:38] <Melinda> I uploaded them a bit ago
[07:29:56] <Bert Wijnen> but mostly in favor was only some 5 hands from a total of 60+ people
[07:30:17] <Joel Jaeggli> yes
[07:30:33] <Joel Jaeggli> speaker fred baker
[07:31:08] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsawg-6.pptx
[07:37:39] <Joel Jaeggli> david black -
[07:37:58] <Joel Jaeggli> very much directed at firewalls on physical boxes
[07:39:17] <Joel Jaeggli> firewalls on virtual machines are a 3rd deployment class
[07:39:46] <Joel Jaeggli> shane kerr
[07:40:02] <Joel Jaeggli> necessary first step
[07:42:14] <Joel Jaeggli> joel jaeggli
[07:42:31] <Joel Jaeggli> ron bonica - perfectly ok to start it here
[07:43:06] <Joel Jaeggli> warren kumari
[07:43:17] <Joel Jaeggli> bumip kashnamish
[07:44:39] <Bert Wijnen> chairs: a doc that describes what firewall is, seems usefull
[07:44:55] <Joel Jaeggli> sob - having kind of document seems useful
[07:45:02] <Bert Wijnen> a doc to advise developers what to do with/about firewalls is quite different
[07:45:22] <Bert Wijnen> So don't mesh them into one
[07:46:02] <Melinda> What about those of us who think both?
[07:46:08] <Bert Wijnen> sense of the room is: encourage Fred to work on this in this WG
[07:46:21] <Bert Wijnen> Melinda are ypu in the room?
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[07:46:38] <Joel Jaeggli> melinda is remote
[07:46:46] <Melinda> I'm back home, enjoying a very nice aurora
[07:46:53] <Bert Wijnen> wow
[07:46:56] <Joel Jaeggli> by about 7000 miles
[07:47:07] <Bert Wijnen> should we still ask your question even though next speaker is up there?
[07:47:25] <Melinda> I was joking. (sort of.) I'd like to see the work go forward
[07:47:29] <Bert Wijnen> ok
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[07:49:22] <Joel Jaeggli> off by a bit
[07:50:43] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsawg-0.pptx
[07:53:19] <Joel Jaeggli> carlo pignataro cisco
[07:53:58] <Joel Jaeggli> - need a compresheive list of what problem we're solving
[07:54:23] <Joel Jaeggli> warren k - if you know the hashing algorithm you can determine this
[07:55:20] <Joel Jaeggli> ameer a - we actually randomize so knowing the algorithm will get you nada
[07:56:47] <Dan York> what slide are we on?
[07:57:30] <pjaitken> The sldes aren't numbered. We're on "Trace all Paths".
[07:57:46] <Dan York> thank you
[07:58:23] <Joel Jaeggli> carlos p - mic
[07:59:55] <Joel Jaeggli> ron b - on an asic based router it might be more than software
[08:00:27] <Joel Jaeggli> warren k - mic
[08:01:35] <pjaitken> "Comparison" slide
[08:01:44] <pjaitken> #9
[08:03:55] <Joel Jaeggli> ameer -
[08:05:05] <Joel Jaeggli> anoop ganwani
[08:06:23] <Joel Jaeggli> ameer akhcter
[08:09:02] <pjaitken> "Aamer Akhter"
[08:09:05] <Melinda> I've done some work in the past on a more general approach to transporting diagnostic requests along a path (a packet disappeared inside the network - where and why?) but what this is proposing is building a topology map, and I'm not sure why he's taking that approach
[08:11:15] <Joel Jaeggli> yeah agree
[08:12:38] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsawg-4.pptx
[08:16:27] <Joel Jaeggli> chris lijenstolpe -
[08:17:22] <Joel Jaeggli> find this to be an important piece of work.
[08:18:06] <Joel Jaeggli> SOB -
[08:18:19] <Joel Jaeggli> warren kumari -
[08:18:34] <Joel Jaeggli> people notcing vs application noticing
[08:19:47] <Bert Wijnen> chairs ask: Should we persue this?
[08:20:06] <Bert Wijnen> many on favor
[08:20:54] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsawg-3.pptx
[08:26:22] <Joel Jaeggli> juergen schoenwelder - mic
[08:28:42] <Joel Jaeggli> sob - mic
[08:28:51] <Joel Jaeggli> warren k -
[08:29:15] <Joel Jaeggli> requeries cloud provider requires exposing what thingy?
[08:30:04] <Joel Jaeggli> benoit claise - mic
[08:32:01] <Joel Jaeggli> morteza ansari - mic
[08:33:15] <Joel Jaeggli> nevil brownlee - mic
[08:37:50] <Joel Jaeggli> chris L - thanks to presenters for improved quality
[08:37:56] <Bert Wijnen> OPSAREA session startingg now
[08:38:02] <pjaitken> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/opsawg/minutes
[08:38:09] <Joel Jaeggli> ops ads running the n open meeting
[08:40:22] <Bert Wijnen> Now switching to OPSEC
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[08:40:39] <Joel Jaeggli> icmp/traceroute directorate - email ron or benoit
[08:42:27] <Joel Jaeggli> opsec meeting starting
[08:42:30] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsec-0.pdf
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[08:46:49] <Joel Jaeggli> sob - mic
[08:47:47] <Joel Jaeggli> chris l -
[08:50:11] <Joel Jaeggli> sob - mic
[08:52:21] <pjaitken> What is the lady's name?
[08:53:34] <Bert Wijnen> Merike
[08:53:55] <Bert Wijnen> not 100% of spelling
[08:54:02] <pjaitken> thanks. It's better than ?? in the minutes.
[08:54:31] <pjaitken> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/opsawg/minutes
[08:57:28] <Joel Jaeggli> merike keo
[08:57:54] <Joel Jaeggli> sob - nanog flame list md5 usage?
[08:58:08] <Melinda> kaeo
[09:00:21] <Joel Jaeggli> ron b - bgp md5 has been replaced by tcp ao, good luck on getting an implemtation?
[09:00:58] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsec-5.pdf
[09:05:04] <Joel Jaeggli> dan r - mic
[09:06:14] <Joel Jaeggli> binglang lu
[09:06:21] <Joel Jaeggli> - mic
[09:07:37] <Joel Jaeggli> ron b - mic
[09:08:19] <Joel Jaeggli> maybe savi isn't ready
[09:08:39] <Joel Jaeggli> bcp 38
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[09:11:21] <Joel Jaeggli> question of those who have read it would it be an opsec wg item?
[09:11:28] <Joel Jaeggli> 5-6 hands
[09:12:17] <Joel Jaeggli> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-opsec-6.pdf
[09:15:26] <Joel Jaeggli> ron b - mic
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[09:15:37] <Joel Jaeggli> post last call on nanog and ripe lists
[09:16:23] <Joel Jaeggli> warren - will test on list.
[09:16:44] <Joel Jaeggli> meeting adjurned
[09:17:03] <pjaitken> thanks
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