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Rich Salz has set the subject to: PEARG at IETF 103
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[08:04:49] <Amankin> Jabber scribe here.  Will relay questions and comments if desired
[08:05:02] <ssahib> Thanks Amankin!
[08:06:00] <Amankin> Speaker now is Ian Learmonth
[08:06:14] <ssahib> Link to Iain's draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-learmonth-pearg-safe-internet-measurement-01
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[08:12:35] <ssahib> @Meetecho some people are having difficulty entering the room
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[08:12:52] <Meetecho> ssahib: looking into it
[08:13:22] <Meetecho> I'm in via Meetecho myself though, let me try joining again
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[08:14:25] <Amankin> @ssahib For remote folks and minutes, can you encourage mic folks to say their clearly?
[08:14:36] <Meetecho> Looks like it's working fine here: in case people have trouble joining, they might want to try the selftest first just to make sure their browser does support WebRTC fine: https://selftest.conf.meetecho.com
[08:14:41] <Amankin> First questioner was Jonathan.  Current one is Stephen Farrell
[08:15:08] <ssahib> @mankin yes
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[08:15:45] kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl has set the subject to: PEARG at IETF 104
[08:15:53] <Amankin> Co-Chair Chris Wood asking third question
[08:16:24] <sftcd> yeah, declaring affiliation ought be discouraged IMO, but not a biggie
[08:17:10] <Amankin> Next speaker is Ryan Guest, speaking remotely from the US
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[08:28:18] <Amankin> Ben Kaduk, one of the Security ADs, asked the question to Ryan just now
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[08:32:43] <Amankin> Chris asks another question, asks Ryan to comment on Iain’s i-d
[08:33:14] <Amankin> Next speaker is Nick Sullivan
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[08:38:41] <ssahib> @Meetecho the slides for the video stream are lagging pretty severely
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[08:39:12] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> network in the room may be lagging in general
[08:39:38] <Amankin> Does the IETF NOC monitor jabber rooms?
[08:39:52] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> (e.g., trying to download Nick's slides was slower than I expected)
I don't think the NOC monitors these jabber rooms
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[08:40:02] <ssahib> Nick's slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-pearg-slides-irtf104-pearg-privacy-pass-00
[08:40:49] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I'm having trouble getting objective evidence to support claims of
network lag, though, so maybe I just had a local issue trying to get
Nick's slides.
[08:41:00] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
91 packets transmitted, 90 received, 1.0989% packet loss, time 255ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.966/12.728/201.895/23.979 ms
[08:41:03] <Meetecho> ssahib: do you mean on the second screen?
[08:41:09] <ssahib> yes
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[08:42:28] <joehall> (testing my jabber client, sorry, ignore this)
[08:42:37] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Oh hey
64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=33 ttl=55 time=5.20 ms
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[08:42:42] <Mallory> Also can’t load ietf 104 agenda page easily. So probably not just the slides. Other sites are loading typically.
[08:43:08] <Mallory> 👌
[08:44:08] <Meetecho> Looking into the delayed slides
[08:45:18] <Amankin> @Meetecho, we have very loud sound from Congress 2 and (based on Ryan’s talk) I think it’s Meetecho volume being very high
[08:45:35] <Meetecho> Amankin: yes, we're fixing it, sorry about that
[08:45:46] <Meetecho> Should be better now, can you confirm?
[08:45:57] <ssahib> it's still pretty loud
[08:46:08] <ssahib> better now
[08:46:43] <sftcd> nick's slides develop this nicely step-by-step
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[08:46:59] <Christoffer Långström> has he changed the slide in the last 5 min?
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[08:47:13] <Christopher Wood>     @Christoffer nope!
[08:47:36] <Christoffer Långström> Thanks, I thought I was having issues
[08:47:39] <csp> @meetecho slides stuck?
[08:47:56] <Meetecho> Fixing that
[08:48:12] <Christoffer Långström> that makes more sense
[08:48:19] <csp> thanks
[08:48:26] <ssahib> thanks!
[08:48:34] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> [IETF Tickets/NOC] #1285: potential network lag in Congress 1
[08:48:35] <Meetecho> There seems to be an issue with capture there, freeze and delay are probably related, still investigating
[08:49:40] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> <oblig> you can't find another 't' or another 'T'?</oblig>
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[08:54:16] <ssahib> Privacy Pass paper: https://petsymposium.org/2018/files/papers/issue3/popets-2018-0026.pdf
[08:56:37] <Amankin> Question from Wes Hardaker
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[08:58:15] <Amankin> Wes continues questions (2 follow-ons to first question)
[09:00:00] <Amankin> Wes 4th question
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[09:02:49] <Amankin> Chris asks another question, chair question: any plan for an i-d and standard on this?
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[09:04:01] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> re. the network issues, the NOC pointed out that I was still on the
'ietf-hotel' ssid and not the 'ietf' one, whoops.
[09:04:56] <Amankin> Neåt talk is on Differential Privacy by Amelia Andersdotter (in room) and Christoffer Långström (on MeetEcho)
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[09:15:00] <joehall> these are great talks, thanks to all
[09:18:39] <ssahib> @Meetecho can we have the slides back up on the video stream? should we just hit the red button?
[09:19:13] <Meetecho> ssahib: removed Christoffer from fullscreen
[09:19:31] <Amankin> Ben Kaduk is asking the first question
[09:21:11] <Amankin> Speaking now:  Christoffer
[09:21:22] <Amankin> Next question: Dave Wheeler
[09:21:33] <ssahib> RAPPOR paper that Christoffer mentioned: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//pubs/archive/42852.pdf
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[09:23:19] <Amankin> Next question: Wes Hardaker
[09:26:37] <Amankin> Shivan speaking now
[09:27:30] <ssahib> Allison speaking now
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[09:28:08] <Amankin> Oops forgot to say my name.
[09:28:20] <Amankin> Sara Dickinson asked a question
[09:29:44] <Amankin> Next speaker is Martin Schanzenbach
[09:29:47] <joehall> There is some skepticism about randomized response in more recent work like Prio, but I’m not familiar enough with it to summarize. Would be great if someone else could ...
[09:29:57] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I expect I don't need to go to the mic to say that sending a falsely
set ECN bit has significant consequences for the containing
connection!
[09:31:44] <Amankin> Ben, you probably know this, but there was an ECN feature that intended to allow detection of ECN-lying…
[09:32:47] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I don't remember knowing that, so thanks for mentioning it.
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[09:35:00] <Meetecho> Fixing slides
[09:36:17] <Meetecho> Delay should be fixed as well
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[09:43:25] <Amankin> Questioner with name I couldn’t hear
[09:44:12] <Amankin> Vittoria Bertola was that questioner
[09:44:19] <Amankin> Question now being asked by Watson Ladd
[09:44:38] <Amankin> s/Vittoria/Vittorio
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[09:46:20] <Amankin> This questioner is Leif Johanson
[09:46:43] <Amankin> Apologies for misspellings…
[09:48:20] <Amankin> Leif is continuing
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[09:49:01] <Amankin> Question from Tobias
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[09:50:58] <Amankin> Brooke Schofield is talking about a GÉANT program about Next Generation Internet
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[09:52:49] <Amankin> This is a quick add-on to the published agenda.  Brooke will also speak in some other RGs
[09:53:21] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> (The slides are available:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-pearg-brook-ngi-00)
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[09:57:07] <Amankin> s/Brooke/Brook
[09:57:59] <Amankin> Sara asks if only EU
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[09:58:38] <Amankin> Shivan: that concludes PEARG
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