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[17:32:14] <gg> Hello!
[17:32:23] <gg> Starting with the research presentations
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[17:33:07] <gg> Pete Snyder taking the stage with his presentation on privacy anti-patterns in standards
[17:34:02] <ssahib> slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-pearg-pete-snyder-anti-standards-slides-00
[17:34:18] <gg> eee, ty
was looking for the link
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[17:38:34] <gg> Eric Rescorla on the mic
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[17:48:03] <gg> End of the presentation. Any questions? (say 'mic')
[17:48:22] <gg> Chris Wood @ the mic rn
[17:49:01] <gg> Stephane Bortzmeyer @ the mic
[17:49:46] <Rolf Sonneveld> DMARC
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[17:52:23] <Narseo Vallina> hi!
[17:53:24] <gg> Giri Mandyam*
[17:53:58] <gg> Next presentation: Encrypted DNS traffic analysis, Sandra Deepthy, 20 minutes
[17:55:47] <ssahib> Sandra's slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-pearg-encrypted-dns-privacy-a-traffic-analysis-perspective-01
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[18:09:06] <gg> Wesley Hardaker @ the mic
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[18:13:26] <gg> Daniel Kahn Gillmor (dkg) @ the mic
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[18:16:31] <Sara Dickinson> mic: Have they considered including Oblivious DNS in a future analysis?
[18:16:45] <gg> Wes Hardaker again
[18:16:58] <joehall> (that was Roland van ? before wes)
[18:17:04] <gg> Christian Huitema @ the mic
[18:17:12] <Sara Dickinson> Roland van Rijswijk-Deij
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[18:17:17] <gg> Yes, missed that, thanks a lot, Joe :)
[18:17:35] <gg> Sara, I'm in the queue, will speak out your question
[18:18:13] <Carmela Troncoso> @Sara, that was not on the plan but it could be. Can you give us a pointer to an implementation?
[18:18:57] <Sara Dickinson> @Carmela - thanks for the reply. I can point you to the paper
[18:19:11] <gg> Jeffrey Askin @ the mic
[18:19:21] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Jeffrey Yasskin
[18:19:33] <Carmela Troncoso> @Sara is this the recently presented PETS paper?
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[18:19:59] <Sara Dickinson> https://dl.acm.org/authorize?N687422
[18:20:34] <Carmela Troncoso> ACK :)
[18:21:27] <gg> Sorry for that. Thanks, Dan.
[18:21:30] <Sara Dickinson> It would be interesting to see the analysis if the adversary would see the traffic on both sides of the ODNS server....
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[18:22:05] <Sara Dickinson> @gg Thanks
[18:22:22] <gg> Brad @ the mic
[18:22:30] <gg> The person before Brad didn't have a badge
[18:22:53] <york@jabber.isoc.org> @gg - Oh, no need to apologize! I was just trying to help you out with names as many others have helped me out with names when I was scribing.
[18:22:56] <gg> @Sara: you're welcome!
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[18:23:45] <gg> Chris @ the mic
[18:23:51] <gg> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-pearg-address-based-website-fingerprinting-00
[18:23:59] <gg> This is: Address-based website fingerprinting, Christopher Wood, 20 minutes
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[18:25:03] <gg> @york: Thanks!
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[18:39:50] <gg> David Plonka @ the mic
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[18:41:04] <gg> Thanks, Mallory!
[18:41:08] <Mallory> Riad Wahby @ the mic before Tim
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[18:41:56] <gg> We're starting with Privacy-Conscious Threat Intelligence Using DNSBLOOM, Roland van Rijswijk-Deij, 20 minutes
[18:42:05] <gg> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-pearg-privacy-conscious-threat-intelligence-using-dnsbloom-00
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[18:52:43] <Fernando Gont> There was a blackout at my place. Now inline
[18:52:54] <Fernando Gont> Online
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[18:53:04] <ssahib> Hi!
[18:53:29] <Fernando Gont> Hi!
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[18:57:36] <gg>     Dave Plonka @ the mic
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[19:03:02] <gg> Thank you, Mallory
[19:03:20] <gg> We move to Internet Draft presentations
[19:03:34] <gg> Security and Privacy Implications of Numeric Identifiers Employed in Network Protocols - History and Generation
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[19:03:50] <gg> being presented by Fernando Gont (remotely)
[19:04:16] <Meetecho> Can you ask Fernando do disable video?
[19:04:21] <gg> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-pearg-fernando-gont-numeric-ids-00
[19:04:56] <wseltzer> @fernando, we can't hear you
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[19:05:17] <wseltzer> better
[19:05:47] <gg> Draft #1: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-numeric-ids-history-05.html
[19:06:13] <gg> Draft #2: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-numeric-ids-generation-04
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[19:09:27] <Sara Dickinson> Sorry Fernando - we can't hear you so Shivan will walk through the slides
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[19:10:24] <gg> Ekr on the mic
[19:11:56] <gg> Moving on to Enabling Network Traffic Obfuscation - Pluggable Transports
by David Oliver
[19:12:09] <gg> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-pearg-david-oliver-pluggable-transports-slides-00
[19:12:15] <gg> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-oliver-pluggable-transports/
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[19:14:29] <Fernando Gont> My audio had dropped. There was a question from ekr (I guess) that I couldn't hear
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[19:15:04] <Sara Dickinson> He asked for clarification on what the research elements of the drafts were.
[19:16:00] <Sara Dickinson> But  the chairs will take the question of adoption to the mailing list where the question can be asked and answered there :-)
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[19:16:35] <Fernando Gont> Identifying the reasons for flawed IDs, categorizing them (based on interoperability requirements and failure modes), and producing algorithms to address such requirements
[19:17:05] <Sara Dickinson> @Fernando Thanks!
[19:17:45] <Fernando Gont> @Sara: thabks a Lot!
[19:18:06] <gg> Now: A Survey of Worldwide Censorship Techniques, Joe Hall, 10 minutes
[19:18:12] <gg> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-pearg-draft-hall-censorship-tech-update-00
[19:18:17] <gg> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hall-censorship-tech/
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[19:26:08] <gg> Humming for adoption
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[19:28:12] <ssahib> Thanks everyone!
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