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[11:02:59] <Sean Turner> Minutes on etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-93-perc?useMonospaceFont=true
[11:04:27] <Daniel Burnett> Hi folks, I'm your friendly jabber relay for today.  If you want something taken to the Mic, precede with Mic:
[11:05:10] <Daniel Burnett> Paul Jones, PERC private media reqs
[11:05:13] <Wolfgang Beck> thanks Dan!
[11:06:57] <Daniel Burnett> I presume everyone here can see slides in some way and doesn't need me to give slide numbers.  If that's incorrect, let me know.
[11:07:32] <Wolfgang Beck> slides are there. audio is good, only the speaker video is missing
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[11:08:26] <Daniel Burnett> wolfgang, I'll check
[11:09:00] <Daniel Burnett> Roni Even at mic
[11:09:13] <Meetecho> working on video
[11:09:31] <Sean Turner> minutes -> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-93-perc?useMonospaceFont=true
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[11:10:09] <rbarnes > anyone in here participating remotely?
[11:10:17] <Daniel Burnett> yes, several
[11:10:20] <Wolfgang Beck> yes
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[11:10:32] <rbarnes > ok, will try to enforce good mic discipline
[11:10:56] <Daniel Burnett> Roni Even back at mic
[11:11:07] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus now up in front
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[11:12:31] <Wolfgang Beck> better
[11:13:44] <Meetecho> video back
[11:14:00] <Wolfgang Beck> yes, it is back
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[11:18:18] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Rather than semi-trusted, untrusted for confidentiality, trusted for service is better
[11:18:33] <Daniel Burnett> Phillip, are you remote or in the room?
[11:18:40] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> In the room
[11:18:47] <Daniel Burnett> Thought so but making sure
[11:19:05] <Joe Hall> PHB, that was curious to me too
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[11:19:35] <rbarnes > PHB: yeah, was just thinking that — "trusted to do X"
[11:19:56] <sftcd> I assume "same keys" here means keys derived from the same security associations or sessions
[11:20:16] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Key container isolation is pretty common now.
[11:20:20] <sftcd> but that the Tx and Rx keys are different
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[11:20:46] <rbarnes > sftcd: seems right
[11:21:03] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Most crypto APIs you talk about a private key by reference, On Windows the key is typically bound to a machine and the API cannot get the private part unless marked for export
[11:22:37] <Daniel Burnett> Again:  for those who are remote, I'm the jabber relay for today.  Preface your comments with Mic: if you want me to take them to the mic
[11:22:49] <Daniel Burnett> (sorry, PHB, I see you now)
[11:23:06] <Daniel Burnett> Mo Zanaty at mic
[11:24:55] <Daniel Burnett> (missed the name of current at mic)
[11:25:25] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[11:28:09] <Daniel Burnett> Patrick Linsby(sp?) at mic
[11:30:52] <Daniel Burnett> Adam Roach at mic
[11:32:17] Dan Wing joins the room
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[11:32:40] <Daniel Burnett> Roni Even at mic
[11:33:24] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[11:34:25] <Maire Reavy> For adam roach: perhaps we can set up a non-javascript-visible datachannel to handle your kmf use-case.  
[11:35:14] <Daniel Burnett> Patrick at mic
[11:35:44] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[11:36:00] <Daniel Burnett> Patrick at mic
[11:36:33] <sftcd> retrospective data access could be yukkie if done badly
[11:36:48] <Jonathan Lennox> Most security is yukkie if done badly
[11:36:48] <sftcd> recording should be doable
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[11:37:54] <Daniel Burnett> Roni Even at mic
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[11:39:30] <Daniel Burnett> Suhas from the front
[11:39:52] <Daniel Burnett> Roni Even at the mic
[11:42:01] <Daniel Burnett> EKR (Trademark) at mic
[11:44:16] <Daniel Burnett> Roni Even at mic
[11:45:36] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund at mic
[11:46:05] <Daniel Burnett> Cullen Jennings at mic
[11:46:27] Phillip Hallam-Baker leaves the room
[11:46:48] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[11:47:07] <Daniel Burnett> Mo Zanaty at mic
[11:47:45] <Joe Hall> this is awesomely challenging
[11:48:57] <Daniel Burnett> Phillip Hallam-Baker at mic
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[11:50:21] <Daniel Burnett> Roni Even at mic
[11:50:56] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund at mic
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[11:51:45] <Daniel Burnett> Adam Roach at mic
[11:52:11] <Joe Hall> yeah, in the case of a conference with unknown participants they can have effectively a PIN that serves as auth, no? or am I missing something subtle in Roni's use case?
[11:53:25] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[11:53:28] <Daniel Burnett> (maybe)
[11:53:38] <Daniel Burnett> Richard Barnes at floor mic
[11:53:51] <Daniel Burnett> (bad mic discipline)
[11:54:01] <Daniel Burnett> EKR at mic
[11:54:21] <Daniel Burnett> Adam Roach at mic
[11:54:25] <rbarnes > don't you like how nicely the mozilla folks all play together?
[11:54:33] <Daniel Burnett> Actually, Adam and Eric are both there talking
[11:54:43] <Daniel Burnett> and someone else now whose name I don't know
[11:55:50] <Daniel Burnett> Now just Adam and Eric, with others hovering close by
[11:56:11] <rbarnes > are people audible?
[11:56:21] <Wolfgang Beck> yes
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[11:57:05] <Daniel Burnett> Cullen Jennings at mic
[11:58:14] <Daniel Burnett> Adam Roach
[11:58:41] <Daniel Burnett> Cullen and Adam and Eric
[11:59:26] <Sean Turner> and the minute takers head explodes
[11:59:27] <Daniel Burnett> Peter L
[11:59:57] <Daniel Burnett> (at mic)
[12:00:04] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund
[12:00:31] <Daniel Burnett> Peter L
[12:00:31] <Paul Kyzivat> mic: based on this discussion, I think there is need for a use cases document.
[12:00:52] <rbarnes > it shouldn't be controversial that the PSTN is a massive degradation of security
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[12:01:30] <Wolfgang Beck> video has stopped once Daniel appeared
[12:01:31] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins at mic
[12:01:59] <Daniel Burnett> camera seems to be rotating around now.
[12:02:08] <Daniel Burnett> Hopefully Meetecho can fix
[12:02:20] <Meetecho> already fixed :)
[12:02:31] <Daniel Burnett> Andrew Allen at mic
[12:02:36] <Meetecho> we're now adjusting the video frame
[12:03:07] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund at mic
[12:03:53] <Meetecho> can you guys see the video now?
[12:03:57] <Daniel Burnett> Ted Hardie at mic
[12:04:00] <Wolfgang Beck> yes, much better
[12:04:02] <Andrew Biggs> yes
[12:05:12] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[12:06:26] <sftcd> or sign every N-th packet
[12:06:50] <Daniel Burnett> Paul Jones, private media framework draft
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[12:19:38] <Daniel Burnett> Adam Roach at mic
[12:20:50] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund at mic (but Cullen shouting nearby)
[12:21:01] <Daniel Burnett> okay, not quite shouting :)
[12:21:17] <Daniel Burnett> Jonathon Lennox at mic
[12:21:55] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins at mic
[12:24:08] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[12:24:26] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins
[12:25:00] <Daniel Burnett> Eric
[12:25:16] <Daniel Burnett> Cullen Jennings at mic
[12:25:53] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins
[12:25:57] <Daniel Burnett> and Cullen
[12:26:01] <Daniel Burnett> Justin Uberti
[12:27:20] <Daniel Burnett> John Mattsson, SRTP cloud draft
[12:30:04] <Daniel Burnett> Peter L at mic
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[12:31:04] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund at mic
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[12:31:31] <Daniel Burnett> Peter L
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[12:32:01] <m&m> Peter L is Patrick Linskey
[12:32:11] <Daniel Burnett> thanks m&m
[12:32:20] <m&m> he's another fast talker (-:
[12:32:27] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund again
[12:32:46] <Daniel Burnett> Andrew Allen at mic
[12:34:12] <Daniel Burnett> Mo Zanaty at mic
[12:34:54] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins at mic
[12:35:01] <Daniel Burnett> Cullen Jennings at mic
[12:35:11] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins
[12:35:26] <Daniel Burnett> Mo
[12:35:40] <Daniel Burnett> Colin
[12:35:56] <Daniel Burnett> Mo
[12:36:25] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund
[12:36:58] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins
[12:37:12] <Daniel Burnett> Cullen
[12:37:34] <Daniel Burnett> Colin
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[12:41:22] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla
[12:43:19] <Daniel Burnett> Jonathan Lennox at mic
[12:44:14] <Sean Turner> minutes here: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-93-perc?useMonospaceFont=true
[12:44:18] <Daniel Burnett> Mo Zanaty at mic
[12:45:44] <Daniel Burnett> Eric Rescorla at mic
[12:47:12] <Daniel Burnett> Colin Perkins at mic
[12:47:33] <Daniel Burnett> Steven Botzko at mic
[12:47:45] <Daniel Burnett> Mo Zanaty at mic
[12:48:23] <jesup> all the speakers were easily audible on Meetecho, btw
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[12:48:56] <Daniel Burnett> Magnus Westerlund at mic
[12:49:03] <Maire Reavy> Yes, no problem hearing the speakers on Meetecho
[12:49:27] <Daniel Burnett> Paul Jones at mic
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[12:55:14] <jesup> I'll volunteer as well
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[12:55:51] <Daniel Burnett> bye
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[12:56:17] <Maire Reavy> I'd love to be involved
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